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The [[Supreme Commander]] and [[Imperial Admiral]] are the same rank. Many speculate that the imperial admiral commands larger fleets but the truth is that [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] unoficially,without permission from the [[Prophets]],combined the two seperate fleets out of pure rebellion without a promotion in rank.It is most likely that the Imperial Admiral had originally commanded a single fleet as did the [[Arbiter]] before the [[Great Schism]] and generally it could be possible that Arbiter would also rebell and combine two fleets to creat an almost full scale rebellion against the prophets had he have been in the same exact situation.Also, if a [[Halo]] fan studies the book Halo Ghost Of Onyx more carefully, they will actually notice on page 239 it said "THE FORMER SUPREME COMMANDER" in a paragraph near the bottom of the page (If you can't find it read the whole page over and slowly).The word "FORMER" is refering to some who also had the same status as Xytan Jar Wattinree (Also it infers that supreme commander and imperial admiral are the same). In other words it is saying that someone (Most likely the Arbiter) held the same rank as imperial admiral/supreme commander.The Halo Graphic Novel's story-line itself is cannon, though when I say story-line I'm excluding the imaging to go along ad blend with the story.The imaging is'nt really trust worthy cannon.One prime example is the New Mombassa story plot.The story-line refering to the event prior to Halo2 is correct but the images of what it looked like is generally not cannon.The imaging for the elites in the plot and theme were graphically incorrect as they had pink skin.Even the weapons in that story were almost totally different.Pink plasma swords and plasma rifles that shoot green beams oposed to the white blue plasma sword and blue full automatic machine gun style plasma rifles that shoot lightning-blue bolts of plasma is totally different.Generally the point is that people believe that the Halo Graphic Novel is the source to look at for the subject.What many don't realize is that the artist were just simply being creative.The primary point is that people believe that just because they saw the supreme commander in violet armour that the imperial admiral and supreme commander are different.Just like the authors used creativity to create the elites and covenant weaponry in Sunrise Over New Mombassa they just simply used creativity for the FORMER supreme commander (Just to make him look fancier and more awe inspiring) in Last Voyage of The Infinite Succor therefore ruining any true cannon for what a supreme commander might of actually look like.Also notice that the last image of the so called Imperial Admiral was a game mod and possibly a custom made multiplayer model. | ==Untitled== | ||
The [[Supreme Commander]] and [[Imperial Admiral]] are the same rank. Many speculate that the imperial admiral commands larger fleets but the truth is that [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] unoficially,without permission from the [[San'Shyuum|Prophets]],combined the two seperate fleets out of pure rebellion without a promotion in rank.It is most likely that the Imperial Admiral had originally commanded a single fleet as did the [[Arbiter]] before the [[Great Schism]] and generally it could be possible that Arbiter would also rebell and combine two fleets to creat an almost full scale rebellion against the prophets had he have been in the same exact situation.Also, if a [[Halo]] fan studies the book Halo Ghost Of Onyx more carefully, they will actually notice on page 239 it said "THE FORMER SUPREME COMMANDER" in a paragraph near the bottom of the page (If you can't find it read the whole page over and slowly).The word "FORMER" is refering to some who also had the same status as Xytan Jar Wattinree (Also it infers that supreme commander and imperial admiral are the same). In other words it is saying that someone (Most likely the Arbiter) held the same rank as imperial admiral/supreme commander.The Halo Graphic Novel's story-line itself is cannon, though when I say story-line I'm excluding the imaging to go along ad blend with the story.The imaging is'nt really trust worthy cannon.One prime example is the New Mombassa story plot.The story-line refering to the event prior to Halo2 is correct but the images of what it looked like is generally not cannon.The imaging for the elites in the plot and theme were graphically incorrect as they had pink skin.Even the weapons in that story were almost totally different.Pink plasma swords and plasma rifles that shoot green beams oposed to the white blue plasma sword and blue full automatic machine gun style plasma rifles that shoot lightning-blue bolts of plasma is totally different.Generally the point is that people believe that the Halo Graphic Novel is the source to look at for the subject.What many don't realize is that the artist were just simply being creative.The primary point is that people believe that just because they saw the supreme commander in violet armour that the imperial admiral and supreme commander are different.Just like the authors used creativity to create the elites and covenant weaponry in Sunrise Over New Mombassa they just simply used creativity for the FORMER supreme commander (Just to make him look fancier and more awe inspiring) in Last Voyage of The Infinite Succor therefore ruining any true cannon for what a supreme commander might of actually look like.Also notice that the last image of the so called Imperial Admiral was a game mod and possibly a custom made multiplayer model. | |||
The Imperial Admiral's armor is silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. | The Imperial Admiral's armor is silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. | ||
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#One of the main reasons that people think this is a seperate rank is that in the [[Halo Graphic Novel]] (HGN) the supreme commander was in violet armour which is different from the imperial admiral armor which is described as being silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. However, the artists who illustrated HGN have been shown to use alot of artistic creativity and not followed Bungie Canon. Therefore HGN images cannot be used as evidence of a seperate rank of Imperial Admiral. | #One of the main reasons that people think this is a seperate rank is that in the [[Halo Graphic Novel]] (HGN) the supreme commander was in violet armour which is different from the imperial admiral armor which is described as being silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. However, the artists who illustrated HGN have been shown to use alot of artistic creativity and not followed Bungie Canon. Therefore HGN images cannot be used as evidence of a seperate rank of Imperial Admiral. | ||
#During the [[Covenant Civil War]] [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] combined two seperate fleets to fight Covenant forces. He did so without a promotion in rank as being in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[Prophets]]. | #During the [[Great Schism|Covenant Civil War]] [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] combined two seperate fleets to fight Covenant forces. He did so without a promotion in rank as being in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[San'Shyuum|Prophets]]. | ||
#On page 239 of [[Halo:Ghost Of Onyx]] there is a reference to the '''former''' Supreme Commander, "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice.". The MS dictionary states that Former is defined as, ''Former-Having been something: having had the same name or status specified during an earlier period''. Therefore Xytan 'Jar Wattinree was a former Supreme Commander and his rank never changed because as shown above he could not have been given a promotion by the Covenant as he was in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[Prophets]] | #On page 239 of [[Halo:Ghost Of Onyx]] there is a reference to the '''former''' Supreme Commander, "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice.". The MS dictionary states that Former is defined as, ''Former-Having been something: having had the same name or status specified during an earlier period''. Therefore Xytan 'Jar Wattinree was a former Supreme Commander and his rank never changed because as shown above he could not have been given a promotion by the Covenant as he was in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[San'Shyuum|Prophets]] | ||
===Counter Argument=== | ===Counter Argument=== | ||
:#This is a logical fallacy; you're saying that since there is insufficient proof to their being different, there is proof to their being the same. | :#This is a logical fallacy; you're saying that since there is insufficient proof to their being different, there is proof to their being the same. | ||
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*'''Merge''' As per above -- [[User:Halo3|Halo3]] | *'''Merge''' As per above -- [[User:Halo3|Halo3]] | ||
*'''NO MERGE''' Insufficient evidence to their being the same. [[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|Guesty-Persony-Thingy]] Early 90's to March 31, 2007. RIP. 20:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | *'''NO MERGE''' Insufficient evidence to their being the same. [[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|Guesty-Persony-Thingy]] Early 90's to March 31, 2007. RIP. 20:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
*'''NO MERGE''' As per GPT. <sup>''[[user talk:James-001|<font color="#007700">Contact me</font>]]''</sup> · | *'''NO MERGE''' As per GPT. <sup>''[[user talk:James-001|<font color="#007700">Contact me</font>]]''</sup> · File:MA5C Animation.gif|30px]] · [[user:James-001|James-001]] · File:Arbiterhalo.jpg|35px]] · <sub>''[[Special:Contributions/James-001|<font color=purple>Find me</font>]]''</sub> 23:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
*'''NO MERGE''' As per GPT and above. It would indeed be a bold move to merge something without actual proof of it being the truth. The arguments presented in favor of this merging are speculative. A single sentence in a novel can't be interpreted and used as an argument until more information is provided.--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 19:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | *'''NO MERGE''' As per GPT and above. It would indeed be a bold move to merge something without actual proof of it being the truth. The arguments presented in favor of this merging are speculative. A single sentence in a novel can't be interpreted and used as an argument until more information is provided.--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 19:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
*'''DON'T MERGE'''- Nobody can be sure they are the same rank. they may be, but until someone (ie; [[Eric Nylund]] or [[Bungie]]), they should stay different pages. -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 09:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | *'''DON'T MERGE'''- Nobody can be sure they are the same rank. they may be, but until someone (ie; [[Eric Nylund]] or [[Bungie]]), they should stay different pages. -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 09:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
*'''NO MERGE''' - This is no real solid apparent and obvious reason to believe that Imperial Admirals and Supreme Commanders are the same rank. - [[User:Black Mercy|Black Mercy]] 03:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | *'''NO MERGE''' - This is no real solid apparent and obvious reason to believe that Imperial Admirals and Supreme Commanders are the same rank. - [[User:Black Mercy|Black Mercy]] 03:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
*'''NO MERGE''' - As per GPT above. Someone would try to spit them up after that anyway. - [[User:R1e2u3b4e5n6|R1e2u3b4e5n6]] 11:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC) | *'''NO MERGE''' - As per GPT above. Someone would try to spit them up after that anyway. - [[User:R1e2u3b4e5n6|R1e2u3b4e5n6]] 11:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
*'''NO MERGE''' - As per GPT above. Cheers, | *'''NO MERGE''' - As per GPT above. Cheers, File:John010117.jpg|14px]] [[User:John010117|John010117]]<sup>CoH|[Covenant of Halopedia]]]</sup> 00:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
'''NO MERGE''' Just leave it the way it is!!! --File:GRAW Wallpaper.jpg|35px]] <font color="#D3D3D3" General></font> | |||
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*He could be just naturally tall... --[[User:JohnSpartan117]] 05:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | *He could be just naturally tall... --[[User:JohnSpartan117]] 05:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
Yeah, I mean, how long is the | Yeah, I mean, how long is the tallest man on the wolrd. 2.40 metre's right? Why cant the same be true for Sangheili.--[[User:Lieutenant Alan|Lieutenant Alan]] 07:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
I got an e-mail fom Eric Nylund explaining that Xytan manages his height well and that it is his false height.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 20:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | |||
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::Generally the books are are the best source of information and also I consider them the cold hard proof of information plus you actually do here to different names for ranking suck as ship master or the other name is zealot and to prove that these are also the same, the ship master voro was also able to field command as he mentioned to controll the ground forces himself.But anyway the point is that there can be two different names for a specific object or person in the covenant.Another example is the covenant super carrier.Notice how it has the second name of fleet carrier.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 01:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | ::Generally the books are are the best source of information and also I consider them the cold hard proof of information plus you actually do here to different names for ranking suck as ship master or the other name is zealot and to prove that these are also the same, the ship master voro was also able to field command as he mentioned to controll the ground forces himself.But anyway the point is that there can be two different names for a specific object or person in the covenant.Another example is the covenant super carrier.Notice how it has the second name of fleet carrier.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 01:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | ||
::Firstly some are using the graphic novel to there advantage by imaging of the supreme commander in purple which is not exactly cannon.Secondly the book itself does provide the sufficient amount of info.Third yes the sentances can be used to interpret.So what ifn it's just one small sentance.You know what they say "Big things can come in small packages."[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 01:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 Oh and the imperial admiral as I said commanded a larger fleet out of pure | ::Firstly some are using the graphic novel to there advantage by imaging of the supreme commander in purple which is not exactly cannon.Secondly the book itself does provide the sufficient amount of info.Third yes the sentances can be used to interpret.So what ifn it's just one small sentance.You know what they say "Big things can come in small packages."[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 01:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 Oh and the imperial admiral as I said commanded a larger fleet out of pure rebellion.He combined the fleet without a promotion in rank or permission from the prphets therefore he unofficially commanded a larger fleet.Also, this is not speculation as the proof is right there.I even wrote down the definition of the word FORMER used in the book until someone deleted it.I will post it again.Also,it is most likely that he orginally commanded one fleet.If Imperial admiral is different it is likely that it is only a rank made from rebellion just to form a leader.As I said that is not his official rank there fore it is possible that the elites just simply made the rank up to creat him as there leader.But still I generally think that truely they are probably the same.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 01:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | ||
:::I'd have to differ in the argument you keep using about the use of the word "FORMER". The "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice." excerpt; it's referring the former Suprme Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice. Who is he now? The Arbiter. He didin't promote himself in an act of rebellion, he was demoted to Fleet Master or Ship Master (hence the Zealot armor alternation)before his trial. Then he was appointed the rank of Arbiter.--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 17:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | :::I'd have to differ in the argument you keep using about the use of the word "FORMER". The "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice." excerpt; it's referring the former Suprme Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice. Who is he now? The Arbiter. He didin't promote himself in an act of rebellion, he was demoted to Fleet Master or Ship Master (hence the Zealot armor alternation)before his trial. Then he was appointed the rank of Arbiter.--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 17:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
:::Idea: Just see the | :::Idea: Just see the Canon policy. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 02:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
Even if they were'nt the same rank they still should'nt be that Imperial Admiral is higher than supreme commander as this is unknown.Also technically he did promote himself as it mentions elites "Elites though that he was there only means of survival." This half-way supports that the elites had combined a two fleets out of rebellion as they though Xytan as there only means of survival.You can try to ask Eric Nylund but he mentioned to me that regretably he had returned his copy of the Halo Bible to Bngie therefore he can not provide any information about the matter.The zealot rank is also part specualtion.As I've said before I only except solid proof.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 20:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | Even if they were'nt the same rank they still should'nt be that Imperial Admiral is higher than supreme commander as this is unknown.Also technically he did promote himself as it mentions elites "Elites though that he was there only means of survival." This half-way supports that the elites had combined a two fleets out of rebellion as they though Xytan as there only means of survival.You can try to ask Eric Nylund but he mentioned to me that regretably he had returned his copy of the Halo Bible to Bngie therefore he can not provide any information about the matter.The zealot rank is also part specualtion.As I've said before I only except solid proof.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 20:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | ||
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Yes I've already known I supported your argument but barely as I led the subject into the fact the imperial admiral is'nt known to be higher.But as I said we should'nt say ones hihger than the other as the arbiter might have done the same thing had he been in a similar situation.And as Eric Nylund told me we are not going to actually know yet because as he said,"Regrettably I just returned my copy of the Halo Bible to Bungie."So we don't know yet.The point is that we should'nt justify Imperial Admiral to actually be higher.Would you like me to e-mail Eric Nylund again (Though I'm quit worried about invading his privacy.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 00:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | Yes I've already known I supported your argument but barely as I led the subject into the fact the imperial admiral is'nt known to be higher.But as I said we should'nt say ones hihger than the other as the arbiter might have done the same thing had he been in a similar situation.And as Eric Nylund told me we are not going to actually know yet because as he said,"Regrettably I just returned my copy of the Halo Bible to Bungie."So we don't know yet.The point is that we should'nt justify Imperial Admiral to actually be higher.Would you like me to e-mail Eric Nylund again (Though I'm quit worried about invading his privacy.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 00:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | ||
Oh and you said that he commanded a few ships, that's wrong as he also controlled a fleet.Truth said "Long have you led your fleet with honor and dispute." | |||
Oh and firstly, Don't edit my comments.I just realized somebody has been sabotaging,vandalizing,twisting everything that I say.Ex. I originaly put "Oh and you said he commanded a fiew ships."Somebody came up and sabotaged it to make it look like I said "Oh and he commanded a fiew fleets." when it was originally "A fiew ships." Whovever did this I'm on to you and when I find out whose been twisting and sabotaging my words![[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 03:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | |||
I don't appreciate people cheating and scaming just to get there way so I'm pretty ticked off about the matter.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 03:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | |||
Ok, after a long abscence from Halopedia, I'm back and ready to debate through vague and shadowy topics. My own two cents into this ongoing debate; as both sides seem to agree, there is no actual information to support either side of this issue. We have no official information that states that Imperial Admiral is a rank, if it was created after the schism, if it's not officially a rank, where it stands in hierarchy, etc. As such, we can make no movements to either merge or add information. The only thing we ''can'' do is put in the info that official sources have given us, discuss things in the talk page for the sake of debate and wait for the info to come out. Note that by debate I mean speculation by fans that is to be regarded as interesting theories and nothing more. By no means should these theories be added to the page without direct reference.--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 02:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
Alright then High seraph I agree to your point.Let us wait until direct cannon is released.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 01:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | |||
Is TeamHazard aloud to have his user name posted aboard the article like that?What if it were to mislead visitors wanting knowledge of the Imperial Admiral were to be misguided or misleaded.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 23:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | |||
:No, that's vandalism. I've reverted it. | |||
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-I think someone ought to remove the "screenshot" of an Imperial Admiral. To my knowledge, they are NEVER seen in a game, and the screenshot appears to be a Zealot from Halo 1. The Trivia section also seems inaccurate, stating your first encounter with a Zealot in Halo 1 (on Silent Cartographer) is in fact an Imperial Admiral.- [[User:Torrent-|'''Torrent-''']] | |||
:I removed it, I remember it being from a fan made reskin of Elites for Halo 1, so it is not canon by any means. [[User:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 02:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
== The Return == | |||
Was there a image of the imperial admiral in the return? when he sent a message to the ship master [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 03:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Luro (the package) == | |||
When is it ever stated that he's a supreme commander? As far as I can recall he is only refereed to as commander, never supreme commander--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 07:00, October 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:The re-release of ''[[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]''. -- [[User talk:SFH|SFH]] 16:37, October 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||