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The [[Supreme Commander]] and [[Imperial Admiral]] are the same rank. Many speculate that the imperial admiral commands larger fleets but the truth is that [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] unoficially,without permission from the [[San 'Shyuum|Prophets]],combined the two seperate fleets out of pure rebellion without a promotion in rank.It is most likely that the Imperial Admiral had originally commanded a single fleet as did the [[Arbiter]] before the [[Great Schism]] and generally it could be possible that Arbiter would also rebell and combine two fleets to creat an almost full scale rebellion against the prophets had he have been in the same exact situation.Also, if a [[Halo]] fan studies the book Halo Ghost Of Onyx more carefully, they will actually notice on page 239 it said "THE FORMER SUPREME COMMANDER" in a paragraph near the bottom of the page (If you can't find it read the whole page over and slowly).The word "FORMER" is refering to some who also had the same status as Xytan Jar Wattinree (Also it infers that supreme commander and imperial admiral are the same). In other words it is saying that someone (Most likely the Arbiter) held the same rank as imperial admiral/supreme commander.The Halo Graphic Novel's story-line itself is cannon, though when I say story-line I'm excluding the imaging to go along ad blend with the story.The imaging is'nt really trust worthy cannon.One prime example is the New Mombassa story plot.The story-line refering to the event prior to Halo2 is correct but the images of what it looked like is generally not cannon.The imaging for the elites in the plot and theme were graphically incorrect as they had pink skin.Even the weapons in that story were almost totally different.Pink plasma swords and plasma rifles that shoot green beams oposed to the white blue plasma sword and blue full automatic machine gun style plasma rifles that shoot lightning-blue bolts of plasma is totally different.Generally the point is that people believe that the Halo Graphic Novel is the source to look at for the subject.What many don't realize is that the artist were just simply being creative.The primary point is that people believe that just because they saw the supreme commander in violet armour that the imperial admiral and supreme commander are different.Just like the authors used creativity to create the elites and covenant weaponry in Sunrise Over New Mombassa they just simply used creativity for the FORMER supreme commander (Just to make him look fancier and more awe inspiring) in Last Voyage of The Infinite Succor therefore ruining any true cannon for what a supreme commander might of actually look like.Also notice that the last image of the so called Imperial Admiral was a game mod and possibly a custom made multiplayer model. | The [[Supreme Commander]] and [[Imperial Admiral]] are the same rank. Many speculate that the imperial admiral commands larger fleets but the truth is that [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] unoficially,without permission from the [[San'Shyuum|Prophets]],combined the two seperate fleets out of pure rebellion without a promotion in rank.It is most likely that the Imperial Admiral had originally commanded a single fleet as did the [[Arbiter]] before the [[Great Schism]] and generally it could be possible that Arbiter would also rebell and combine two fleets to creat an almost full scale rebellion against the prophets had he have been in the same exact situation.Also, if a [[Halo]] fan studies the book Halo Ghost Of Onyx more carefully, they will actually notice on page 239 it said "THE FORMER SUPREME COMMANDER" in a paragraph near the bottom of the page (If you can't find it read the whole page over and slowly).The word "FORMER" is refering to some who also had the same status as Xytan Jar Wattinree (Also it infers that supreme commander and imperial admiral are the same). In other words it is saying that someone (Most likely the Arbiter) held the same rank as imperial admiral/supreme commander.The Halo Graphic Novel's story-line itself is cannon, though when I say story-line I'm excluding the imaging to go along ad blend with the story.The imaging is'nt really trust worthy cannon.One prime example is the New Mombassa story plot.The story-line refering to the event prior to Halo2 is correct but the images of what it looked like is generally not cannon.The imaging for the elites in the plot and theme were graphically incorrect as they had pink skin.Even the weapons in that story were almost totally different.Pink plasma swords and plasma rifles that shoot green beams oposed to the white blue plasma sword and blue full automatic machine gun style plasma rifles that shoot lightning-blue bolts of plasma is totally different.Generally the point is that people believe that the Halo Graphic Novel is the source to look at for the subject.What many don't realize is that the artist were just simply being creative.The primary point is that people believe that just because they saw the supreme commander in violet armour that the imperial admiral and supreme commander are different.Just like the authors used creativity to create the elites and covenant weaponry in Sunrise Over New Mombassa they just simply used creativity for the FORMER supreme commander (Just to make him look fancier and more awe inspiring) in Last Voyage of The Infinite Succor therefore ruining any true cannon for what a supreme commander might of actually look like.Also notice that the last image of the so called Imperial Admiral was a game mod and possibly a custom made multiplayer model. | ||
The Imperial Admiral's armor is silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. | The Imperial Admiral's armor is silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. | ||
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#One of the main reasons that people think this is a seperate rank is that in the [[Halo Graphic Novel]] (HGN) the supreme commander was in violet armour which is different from the imperial admiral armor which is described as being silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. However, the artists who illustrated HGN have been shown to use alot of artistic creativity and not followed Bungie Canon. Therefore HGN images cannot be used as evidence of a seperate rank of Imperial Admiral. | #One of the main reasons that people think this is a seperate rank is that in the [[Halo Graphic Novel]] (HGN) the supreme commander was in violet armour which is different from the imperial admiral armor which is described as being silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite. However, the artists who illustrated HGN have been shown to use alot of artistic creativity and not followed Bungie Canon. Therefore HGN images cannot be used as evidence of a seperate rank of Imperial Admiral. | ||
#During the [[Great Schism|Covenant Civil War]] [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] combined two seperate fleets to fight Covenant forces. He did so without a promotion in rank as being in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[San 'Shyuum|Prophets]]. | #During the [[Great Schism|Covenant Civil War]] [[Xytan 'Jar Wattinree]] combined two seperate fleets to fight Covenant forces. He did so without a promotion in rank as being in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[San'Shyuum|Prophets]]. | ||
#On page 239 of [[Halo:Ghost Of Onyx]] there is a reference to the '''former''' Supreme Commander, "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice.". The MS dictionary states that Former is defined as, ''Former-Having been something: having had the same name or status specified during an earlier period''. Therefore Xytan 'Jar Wattinree was a former Supreme Commander and his rank never changed because as shown above he could not have been given a promotion by the Covenant as he was in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[San 'Shyuum|Prophets]] | #On page 239 of [[Halo:Ghost Of Onyx]] there is a reference to the '''former''' Supreme Commander, "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice.". The MS dictionary states that Former is defined as, ''Former-Having been something: having had the same name or status specified during an earlier period''. Therefore Xytan 'Jar Wattinree was a former Supreme Commander and his rank never changed because as shown above he could not have been given a promotion by the Covenant as he was in rebellion against the Covenant and the its [[San'Shyuum|Prophets]] | ||
===Counter Argument=== | ===Counter Argument=== | ||
:#This is a logical fallacy; you're saying that since there is insufficient proof to their being different, there is proof to their being the same. | :#This is a logical fallacy; you're saying that since there is insufficient proof to their being different, there is proof to their being the same. | ||
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:::I'd have to differ in the argument you keep using about the use of the word "FORMER". The "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice." excerpt; it's referring the former Suprme Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice. Who is he now? The Arbiter. He didin't promote himself in an act of rebellion, he was demoted to Fleet Master or Ship Master (hence the Zealot armor alternation)before his trial. Then he was appointed the rank of Arbiter.--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 17:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | :::I'd have to differ in the argument you keep using about the use of the word "FORMER". The "This happened before the '''former''' supreme commander of fleet of particular justice." excerpt; it's referring the former Suprme Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice. Who is he now? The Arbiter. He didin't promote himself in an act of rebellion, he was demoted to Fleet Master or Ship Master (hence the Zealot armor alternation)before his trial. Then he was appointed the rank of Arbiter.--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 17:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
:::Idea: Just see the Canon | :::Idea: Just see the Canon policy. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 02:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
Even if they were'nt the same rank they still should'nt be that Imperial Admiral is higher than supreme commander as this is unknown.Also technically he did promote himself as it mentions elites "Elites though that he was there only means of survival." This half-way supports that the elites had combined a two fleets out of rebellion as they though Xytan as there only means of survival.You can try to ask Eric Nylund but he mentioned to me that regretably he had returned his copy of the Halo Bible to Bngie therefore he can not provide any information about the matter.The zealot rank is also part specualtion.As I've said before I only except solid proof.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 20:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | Even if they were'nt the same rank they still should'nt be that Imperial Admiral is higher than supreme commander as this is unknown.Also technically he did promote himself as it mentions elites "Elites though that he was there only means of survival." This half-way supports that the elites had combined a two fleets out of rebellion as they though Xytan as there only means of survival.You can try to ask Eric Nylund but he mentioned to me that regretably he had returned his copy of the Halo Bible to Bngie therefore he can not provide any information about the matter.The zealot rank is also part specualtion.As I've said before I only except solid proof.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 20:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | ||