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Because Halo Legends is an abomination and likes to throw Halo canon out of 12 story windows. It also like to kick puppies and beat small children and elderly people.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 05:44, March 22, 2010 (UTC) | Because Halo Legends is an abomination and likes to throw Halo canon out of 12 story windows. It also like to kick puppies and beat small children and elderly people.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 05:44, March 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Shut up, it's canon and that's it. Get over it. - | :Shut up, it's canon and that's it. Get over it. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 18:22, March 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Why don't you shutup you idiot. This is BS. I understand that all Wikis loves to follow canon to a T, but that doesn't mean people aren't allow to call things out for the shit that they are. Jesus Christ, people just don't know how to handle their own IPs sometime. Zervziel doesn't need to get over crap. [[Special:Contributions/108.56.164.232|108.56.164.232]] 23:57, April 4, 2010 (UTC) | ::Why don't you shutup you idiot. This is BS. I understand that all Wikis loves to follow canon to a T, but that doesn't mean people aren't allow to call things out for the shit that they are. Jesus Christ, people just don't know how to handle their own IPs sometime. Zervziel doesn't need to get over crap. [[Special:Contributions/108.56.164.232|108.56.164.232]] 23:57, April 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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[[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC) | [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Just goes to show that Halopedia is on the cutting edge of canon information. | :Just goes to show that Halopedia is on the cutting edge of canon information. [[User:Grizzlei|CommanderTony]] | ||
== Supreme Commander Picture == | == Supreme Commander Picture == | ||
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the arbiter isnt the supreme camander of the ascendant justice hes just a ship master before he becomes the arbiter.its in the books. | the arbiter isnt the supreme camander of the ascendant justice hes just a ship master before he becomes the arbiter.its in the books. | ||
:Actually, he IS the Supreme Commander. Its in the games. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | :Actually, he IS the Supreme Commander. Its in the games. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 01:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:And not to mention, at the end of the book you speak of, he's promoted Supreme Commander. | :And not to mention, at the end of the book you speak of, he's promoted Supreme Commander. | ||
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::But from reading it, I did not find any concrete evidence that it is actually the same character. Such can be inferred, but still, I did not find any concrete evidence that shows that they are the same character. [[User:user0|User0]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/User0|(contribs)]][[User talk:User0|(talk)]]</sup> 07:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC) | ::But from reading it, I did not find any concrete evidence that it is actually the same character. Such can be inferred, but still, I did not find any concrete evidence that shows that they are the same character. [[User:user0|User0]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/User0|(contribs)]][[User talk:User0|(talk)]]</sup> 07:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Have you finished the book? <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[ | :::Have you finished the book? <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[halofanon:Category:ONI recon 111|<font color="light blue">Cadet</font>]] [[User:ONI recon 111|<font color="green">ONI recon 111</font>]] | </b>File:1227612553 First3.jpg|30px]]</span> 07:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Yes. The problem is that I saw this page before I finished it, so I wasn't really looking for anything that proves it. It is very likely that I missed something big. The only thing I saw that might infer that it is the same character is the stuff about the fleet of Particular Justice. [[User:user0|User0]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/User0|(contribs)]][[User talk:User0|(talk)]]</sup> 21:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC) | ::::Yes. The problem is that I saw this page before I finished it, so I wasn't really looking for anything that proves it. It is very likely that I missed something big. The only thing I saw that might infer that it is the same character is the stuff about the fleet of Particular Justice. [[User:user0|User0]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/User0|(contribs)]][[User talk:User0|(talk)]]</sup> 21:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
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::Really, he had to give up his name? Where in the games does it...oh wait, yeah that's right, the games are shit for canon. Yes, he's the current Arbiter, but what about the one in ''Halo Wars''? What's he going to be, Arbiter 2? Since the Sangheili gave away the military "ee" suffix on their lastnames, and the current Arbiter is a Sangheili....he's name is Thel 'Vadam. File:United Nations logo.png|35px]]UoH|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]], <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 12/22/2008 | ::Really, he had to give up his name? Where in the games does it...oh wait, yeah that's right, the games are shit for canon. Yes, he's the current Arbiter, but what about the one in ''Halo Wars''? What's he going to be, Arbiter 2? Since the Sangheili gave away the military "ee" suffix on their lastnames, and the current Arbiter is a Sangheili....he's name is Thel 'Vadam. File:United Nations logo.png|35px]]UoH|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]], <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 12/22/2008 | ||
:Arbiter is a rank, not a name, so we wouldn't rename it to that, so we use his previous name. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[ | :Arbiter is a rank, not a name, so we wouldn't rename it to that, so we use his previous name. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[halofanon:Category:ONI recon 111|<font color="light blue">Cadet</font>]] [[User:ONI recon 111|<font color="green">ONI recon 111</font>]] | </b>File:1227612553 First3.jpg|30px]]</span> 21:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
It's Vadam but the -ee suffix represents active military service and since the Great Schism elites have been dropping the -ee suffix to symbolize their separation from the Covenant. [[User:The Real Arbiter]] | It's Vadam but the -ee suffix represents active military service and since the Great Schism elites have been dropping the -ee suffix to symbolize their separation from the Covenant. [[User:The Real Arbiter]] | ||
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==Life as Kaidon== | ==Life as Kaidon== | ||
The section is absolute crap. Can someone with a book please groom through it and make it actually understandable, then remove the template? | The section is absolute crap. Can someone with a book please groom through it and make it actually understandable, then remove the template? Ghost sangheili | ||
==Is Thel really the Supreme Commander/Arbiter?== | ==Is Thel really the Supreme Commander/Arbiter?== | ||
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::::::::::::::::I get what you're saying, however some things we may 'never' get confirmation on. We got lucky with Rtas when they revealed his name in the Graphic Novel (and even then it wasn't within the story itself, but the intro). Actual names for popular characters on the Covenant side are rarely revealed, so can you blame us for jumping at any information that may even 'hint' at the true identity of one of them? *points at the feasco around Ripa* [[User talk:Zeno 'Ribal|Zeno 'Ribal]] 00:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | ::::::::::::::::I get what you're saying, however some things we may 'never' get confirmation on. We got lucky with Rtas when they revealed his name in the Graphic Novel (and even then it wasn't within the story itself, but the intro). Actual names for popular characters on the Covenant side are rarely revealed, so can you blame us for jumping at any information that may even 'hint' at the true identity of one of them? *points at the feasco around Ripa* [[User talk:Zeno 'Ribal|Zeno 'Ribal]] 00:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::[[Wikipedia:WP:NOR]] anyone? Perhaps it would be better to split the article into [[Arbiter (character)]] and [[Thel 'Vadam]], and then post that so-and-so (preferably a reliable source) said that the two are possibly the same. It seems like this is pure speculation, and quite possibly wrong from what I've read. If you guys accept fanon speculation here, then leave it as is. --[[User talk:Odie5533|Odie5533]] 21:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | :::[[Wikipedia:WP:NOR]] anyone? Perhaps it would be better to split the article into [[Arbiter (character)]] and [[Thel 'Vadam]], and then post that so-and-so (preferably a reliable source) said that the two are possibly the same. It seems like this is pure speculation, and quite possibly wrong from what I've read. If you guys accept fanon speculation here, then leave it as is. --[[User talk:Odie5533|Odie5533]] 21:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::H:NOT WE ARE NOT WIKIPEDIA. Kthnxbai. | ::::H:NOT WE ARE NOT WIKIPEDIA. Kthnxbai. Ghost sangheili | ||
:::::Thanks for the link, though your all caps and insulting "kthnxbai" are not appreciated. Might I direct you to H:NOT point 1.1 and 1.2 ("Halopedia is not a fanfiction site" and "Halopedia is not a speculative forum"). A number of Halopedians consider the association between the two as speculation and for good reason. --[[User talk:Odie5533|Odie5533]] 22:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | :::::Thanks for the link, though your all caps and insulting "kthnxbai" are not appreciated. Might I direct you to H:NOT point 1.1 and 1.2 ("Halopedia is not a fanfiction site" and "Halopedia is not a speculative forum"). A number of Halopedians consider the association between the two as speculation and for good reason. --[[User talk:Odie5533|Odie5533]] 22:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
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== Finally some proof! == | == Finally some proof! == | ||
{{Quote|There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?|Specops306}} | {{Quote|There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?|Specops306}} | ||
[http://www.halo3infinity.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4467 An interview] with the author by a French Halo community, where the Arbiter is referred to numerous times as Thel Vadam, and Buckell fully accepts that, and even admits it was fun to characterize the Arbiter. So finally, some indisputable proof for the naysayers! -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | [http://www.halo3infinity.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4467 An interview] with the author by a French Halo community, where the Arbiter is referred to numerous times as Thel Vadam, and Buckell fully accepts that, and even admits it was fun to characterize the Arbiter. So finally, some indisputable proof for the naysayers! -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 20:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Cues the happy end theme to ''Return of the Jedi''.<nowiki>*</nowiki> | :<nowiki>*</nowiki>Cues the happy end theme to ''Return of the Jedi''.<nowiki>*</nowiki> [[User:Grizzlei|CommanderTony]] | ||
::Would it be good if you add the forum thread as a reference somewhere within the article? -- [[User talk:Drtomjenkins|Drtomjenkins]] 02:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | ::Would it be good if you add the forum thread as a reference somewhere within the article? -- [[User talk:Drtomjenkins|Drtomjenkins]] 02:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::In Halo 2 Vista, they modded The Arbiter so that they start as Master Chief in a different location, and modded the unarmored Arbiter to have the AI of a typical Elite enemy. Then, they walked up to him and hit Print Screen as he began to flip out. Simple. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 02:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC) | :::In Halo 2 Vista, they modded The Arbiter so that they start as Master Chief in a different location, and modded the unarmored Arbiter to have the AI of a typical Elite enemy. Then, they walked up to him and hit Print Screen as he began to flip out. Simple. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 02:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::That seems like too much trouble to do that. In my opinion, they could've just swapped the naked Arbiter character tags and all associated dependencies with an enemy, say a Heretic Elite. They could've still kept the player as the armored Arbiter. But that's just what I see my modding ''Halo 2''. | ::::That seems like too much trouble to do that. In my opinion, they could've just swapped the naked Arbiter character tags and all associated dependencies with an enemy, say a Heretic Elite. They could've still kept the player as the armored Arbiter. But that's just what I see my modding ''Halo 2''.<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag<span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 00:46, April 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Comic == | == Comic == | ||
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Umm, their height is seven foot cause they crouch, when Thel mocks the enemy he is taller then John, Combat height is 7'2, height for real, 8 something.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Lekgolo]] 18:59, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | Umm, their height is seven foot cause they crouch, when Thel mocks the enemy he is taller then John, Combat height is 7'2, height for real, 8 something.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Lekgolo]] 18:59, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Their avg height has been retconned to 7'4" per Halo Encyclopedia. Thel is 7'10" standing straight up, which would account for him being taller then MC (whom is 7' in his armor). [[User talk:Zeno 'Ribal|Zeno 'Ribal]] 19:44, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | :Their avg height has been retconned to 7'4" per Halo Encyclopedia: The Definitive Guide to the Halo Universe. Thel is 7'10" standing straight up, which would account for him being taller then MC (whom is 7' in his armor). [[User talk:Zeno 'Ribal|Zeno 'Ribal]] 19:44, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Huh, thanks.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Lekgolo]] 23:51, December 13, 2009 (UTC) | Huh, thanks.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Lekgolo]] 23:51, December 13, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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To me, it seems like a simple mistake by the one who wrote the subtitles. It could be that Frankie's being secretive about it because he doesn't want to admit the mistake and tries to find a way to somehow work it into the canon. Right now, I can't think of any other explanation than Thel having a bizarre memory loss. Or that it's a different Thel. So, does anyone have any objections against splitting this and calling the Package Major article "Thel (The Package)"? The only thing we would lose is knowing what year the Package takes place. The truth is, we don't really know it for certain now either. Even if the major was Thel 'Vadam, he could've been demoted later, which is extremely unlikely considering his fanatical adherence to honor codes, and the fact he would've most likely killed himself for it. But it's a remote possibility. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 14:04, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | To me, it seems like a simple mistake by the one who wrote the subtitles. It could be that Frankie's being secretive about it because he doesn't want to admit the mistake and tries to find a way to somehow work it into the canon. Right now, I can't think of any other explanation than Thel having a bizarre memory loss. Or that it's a different Thel. So, does anyone have any objections against splitting this and calling the Package Major article "Thel (The Package)"? The only thing we would lose is knowing what year the Package takes place. The truth is, we don't really know it for certain now either. Even if the major was Thel 'Vadam, he could've been demoted later, which is extremely unlikely considering his fanatical adherence to honor codes, and the fact he would've most likely killed himself for it. But it's a remote possibility. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 14:04, April 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I think we should make a new article called '''Thel (The Package)'''. But I think that we should let some people give there thoughts of it aswell. --> | :I think we should make a new article called '''Thel (The Package)'''. But I think that we should let some people give there thoughts of it aswell. --> [[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''Master'''</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''Chief'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''Petty'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''Officer'''</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">'''John-117'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Personal Favorite</span>]])'''</sup>. 17:25, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:One of the sources shown that the Major is Thel 'Vadam and that it was stated somewhere in the DVD commentary; whether this is confirmed or just a false source, I don't know. Could someone confirm this again? If it really has been affirmed that the Major is indeed Thel 'Vadam, then I'm afraid we should not create a new article about '''Thel (The Package)'''. Again, it could be what Jugus've stated (Frankie not admitting the mistakes and trying to find a way into the canon) and that Thel's first experience with a Spartan has been retconned by 343 Industries. Retcon is quite common nowadays.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | :One of the sources shown that the Major is Thel 'Vadam and that it was stated somewhere in the DVD commentary; whether this is confirmed or just a false source, I don't know. Could someone confirm this again? If it really has been affirmed that the Major is indeed Thel 'Vadam, then I'm afraid we should not create a new article about '''Thel (The Package)'''. Again, it could be what Jugus've stated (Frankie not admitting the mistakes and trying to find a way into the canon) and that Thel's first experience with a Spartan has been retconned by 343 Industries. Retcon is quite common nowadays.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Well, whoever added that it was confirmed in the commentary is wrong, it was just subtitles. And in response to Jugus about Thel's rank, when I began to add the information about the Major being Thel, I gave a note about how Thel's appearance make sense about his rank. The Cole Protocol takes place in 2535, by which time Thel has ''just'' been promoted to Kaidon, him being a Major a short time beforehand makes sense, he didn't have to have been demoted. Another piece of evidence to suggest that the Major is Thel, is that he was said to be so in the Official Xbox Magazine Holiday 2009 Edition, on page 94. Although the magazine also claimed that UNSC cruisers were in the film, so this is questionable, but nonetheless, this coupled with the subtitles backs it up. About his encounter with the Spartans, I don't know, but I would think a retcon, seeing as conflicting with canon is what 343 do best. - | ::Well, whoever added that it was confirmed in the commentary is wrong, it was just subtitles. And in response to Jugus about Thel's rank, when I began to add the information about the Major being Thel, I gave a note about how Thel's appearance make sense about his rank. The Cole Protocol takes place in 2535, by which time Thel has ''just'' been promoted to Kaidon, him being a Major a short time beforehand makes sense, he didn't have to have been demoted. Another piece of evidence to suggest that the Major is Thel, is that he was said to be so in the Official Xbox Magazine Holiday 2009 Edition, on page 94. Although the magazine also claimed that UNSC cruisers were in the film, so this is questionable, but nonetheless, this coupled with the subtitles backs it up. About his encounter with the Spartans, I don't know, but I would think a retcon, seeing as conflicting with canon is what 343 do best. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 18:00, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I watched the DVD commentary (just so I could make this point). As far as I recall, the Major's name isn't mentioned at any point. In fact, they didn't even talk about the Major at all. The name "Thel" is only seen in the subtitles with no last name mentioned. I know my proposal may sound dumb, but it's simply a way to get around the irritating canon conflict (which, from an absolute point of view, ''makes it impossible'' for the Major to be Thel since that would contradict with TCP). There is always the possibility that this isn't the same Thel since his last name is not mentioned. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 17:58, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ::I watched the DVD commentary (just so I could make this point). As far as I recall, the Major's name isn't mentioned at any point. In fact, they didn't even talk about the Major at all. The name "Thel" is only seen in the subtitles with no last name mentioned. I know my proposal may sound dumb, but it's simply a way to get around the irritating canon conflict (which, from an absolute point of view, ''makes it impossible'' for the Major to be Thel since that would contradict with TCP). There is always the possibility that this isn't the same Thel since his last name is not mentioned. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 17:58, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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#He is just called ''Thel'' so why should it be ''Thel'' from TCP and Halo 2, 3. | #He is just called ''Thel'' so why should it be ''Thel'' from TCP and Halo 2, 3. | ||
#If he is ''Thel 'Vadamee'' then this should take place before TCP but then again when he fought ''Jai-006'' he acted like he had never seen a Spartan before. --> | #If he is ''Thel 'Vadamee'' then this should take place before TCP but then again when he fought ''Jai-006'' he acted like he had never seen a Spartan before. --> [[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''Master'''</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''Chief'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''Petty'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''Officer'''</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">'''John-117'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Personal Favorite</span>]])'''</sup>. 18:51, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Cally, please be more constructive when contributing to discussions. No offense. | ::Cally, please be more constructive when contributing to discussions. No offense. | ||
::Regarding point 3; [[wikipedia:Retroactive Continuity|Retcons]] are fairly common in the media nowadays and it could be said that 343 Industries changed Thel's first experience of fighting a Spartan.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:00, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ::Regarding point 3; [[wikipedia:Retroactive Continuity|Retcons]] are fairly common in the media nowadays and it could be said that 343 Industries changed Thel's first experience of fighting a Spartan.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:00, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::I have to agree with Subtank; the only evidence against it being Thel is his first encounter with Spartans, which is somewhat minor, and has most likely been retconned or neglected. - | :::I have to agree with Subtank; the only evidence against it being Thel is his first encounter with Spartans, which is somewhat minor, and has most likely been retconned or neglected. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 20:15, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::But there is no evidence to sugest that it '''is''' ''Thel 'Vadamee''. --> | ::::But there is no evidence to sugest that it '''is''' ''Thel 'Vadamee''. --> [[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''Master'''</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''Chief'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''Petty'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''Officer'''</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">'''John-117'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Personal Favorite</span>]])'''</sup>. 06:53, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::Read above posts. Think before you type please. - | :::::Read above posts. Think before you type please. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 13:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::But it should be a different article '''''until''''' there is sufficient evidence to sugest so. | ::::::But it should be a different article '''''until''''' there is sufficient evidence to sugest so. | ||
::::::(To any Admins) When can I start moving the information onto a new article? --> | ::::::(To any Admins) When can I start moving the information onto a new article? --> [[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''Master'''</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''Chief'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''Petty'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''Officer'''</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">'''John-117'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Personal Favorite</span>]])'''</sup>. 16:43, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::The Package episode indeed confirmed that the Major's name is Thel; the only question is whether he is Thel 'Vadam or is he another Thel from another Sangheili clan. Now, another source, '''Official Xbox Magazine Holiday 2009''', stated specifically that the Arbiter from H2 (aka Thel 'Vadam) will make an appearance in the episode; the only problem is that it also stated UNSC Cruisers making appearances, but it is possible that they mistook the unidentified UNSC/ONI starship for the UNSC Cruiser. So, in a sense, it has been confirmed that the Major in the episode is indeed Thel 'Vadam. The only problem resulting from this is the retcon produced as it is conflicting with Halo: The Cole Protocol (Thel's fighting experience with his first Spartan). Again, this can be disregarded as 343 Industries are allowed to redefine canon to an extent. All of these are sufficient evidence to suggest/confirm that the Major in The Package is Thel 'Vadam. | :::::::The Package episode indeed confirmed that the Major's name is Thel; the only question is whether he is Thel 'Vadam or is he another Thel from another Sangheili clan. Now, another source, '''Official Xbox Magazine Holiday 2009''', stated specifically that the Arbiter from H2 (aka Thel 'Vadam) will make an appearance in the episode; the only problem is that it also stated UNSC Cruisers making appearances, but it is possible that they mistook the unidentified UNSC/ONI starship for the UNSC Cruiser. So, in a sense, it has been confirmed that the Major in the episode is indeed Thel 'Vadam. The only problem resulting from this is the retcon produced as it is conflicting with Halo: The Cole Protocol (Thel's fighting experience with his first Spartan). Again, this can be disregarded as 343 Industries are allowed to redefine canon to an extent. All of these are sufficient evidence to suggest/confirm that the Major in The Package is Thel 'Vadam. | ||
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::::::::There are too many things against the speculation even besides the Spartan duel mixup. For one, the Major was said to have lost a batallion when Thel 'Vadum clearly occupied a naval position. Also, the long, detailed history of Thel spelled out in the Cole Protocol makes no reference at all about any shame, loss of honor, or scandals like the ship commander in The Package kept referencing. He made it sound like the Major was a coward and a slimeball that didn't deserve to live because of the dishonor he had brought upon himself. In all actuality, whatever he had done, Thel's reputation would have been marred by this beyond consideration for Kaidon in TCP. But that was never an issue. Another question remains about how the major even survived? Didn't the ship captain in the Package detach the lower half of the ship with intentions of leaving him behind? Yet somehow he was sucked up in to the main ship anyways. Each of the Thels seem to have completely different personalities, backgrounds, and futures. And then there's the whole thing about him facing a Spartan. | ::::::::There are too many things against the speculation even besides the Spartan duel mixup. For one, the Major was said to have lost a batallion when Thel 'Vadum clearly occupied a naval position. Also, the long, detailed history of Thel spelled out in the Cole Protocol makes no reference at all about any shame, loss of honor, or scandals like the ship commander in The Package kept referencing. He made it sound like the Major was a coward and a slimeball that didn't deserve to live because of the dishonor he had brought upon himself. In all actuality, whatever he had done, Thel's reputation would have been marred by this beyond consideration for Kaidon in TCP. But that was never an issue. Another question remains about how the major even survived? Didn't the ship captain in the Package detach the lower half of the ship with intentions of leaving him behind? Yet somehow he was sucked up in to the main ship anyways. Each of the Thels seem to have completely different personalities, backgrounds, and futures. And then there's the whole thing about him facing a Spartan. | ||
::::::::So yes, I feel like we should jump at any opportunity we have to disassociate the characters in order to preserve a semblance of continuity. Not because I blame 343 or Legends for screwing up canon; I can live with and accept that they are the deciders of canon; not us. But when a loophole like this presents itself and it is a semi-unconfirmed situation that is close to going both ways, the common-sense decision must be made. Even without any of the supporting details in the second paragraph, I wish I could reiterate more that the first point I made is enough to split the characters according to our canon policy.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 20:27, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::::So yes, I feel like we should jump at any opportunity we have to disassociate the characters in order to preserve a semblance of continuity. Not because I blame 343 or Legends for screwing up canon; I can live with and accept that they are the deciders of canon; not us. But when a loophole like this presents itself and it is a semi-unconfirmed situation that is close to going both ways, the common-sense decision must be made. Even without any of the supporting details in the second paragraph, I wish I could reiterate more that the first point I made is enough to split the characters according to our canon policy.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 20:27, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Quote|If it's true that the subtitles aren't clear or definite and that the only absolute evidence we have connecting the Thels is from the Official Xbox magazine|Nerfherder1428}} | {{Quote|If it's true that the subtitles aren't clear or definite and that the only absolute evidence we have connecting the Thels is from the Official Xbox magazine|Nerfherder1428}} | ||
:::::::::Well, we would need to confirm that by contacting Frankie or 343 Industries. Considering the current situation and as pointed out Dewback rancher and Tuckerscreator, the subtitles are being very clear as to who the Major is. | :::::::::Well, we would need to confirm that by contacting Frankie or 343 Industries. Considering the current situation and as pointed out Dewback rancher and Tuckerscreator, the subtitles are being very clear as to who the Major is. | ||
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::::::::::I think you've misunderstood me Subtank. I wasn't referring to the UNSC Cruiser condradiction. That's irrelevent. If you read what I wrote again, I was actually referring to the contradiction between Thel not having fought a Spartan before TCP. I also did not dispute the legitimacy of the magazine as a source. I merely stated that The Cole Protocol, having said that Thel had never seen a Spartan before, would rank higher up in the canon ladder than advertising (the Xbox magazine), and therefore be the far superior canon. Following that logic, we have evidence that Thel Vadum is NOT in the package. If the magazine is the only absolute source, one cannot claim retcon on the superior literature canon (about the "Thel never fought a Spartan before TCP" issue). Having cleared that up, please reread my above statement to fully understand what I was trying to say.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:51, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::::::I think you've misunderstood me Subtank. I wasn't referring to the UNSC Cruiser condradiction. That's irrelevent. If you read what I wrote again, I was actually referring to the contradiction between Thel not having fought a Spartan before TCP. I also did not dispute the legitimacy of the magazine as a source. I merely stated that The Cole Protocol, having said that Thel had never seen a Spartan before, would rank higher up in the canon ladder than advertising (the Xbox magazine), and therefore be the far superior canon. Following that logic, we have evidence that Thel Vadum is NOT in the package. If the magazine is the only absolute source, one cannot claim retcon on the superior literature canon (about the "Thel never fought a Spartan before TCP" issue). Having cleared that up, please reread my above statement to fully understand what I was trying to say.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:51, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Quote|Regarding point 3; Retcons are fairly common in the media nowadays and it could be said that 343 Industries changed Thel's first experience of fighting a Spartan.|Subtank}} | {{Quote|Regarding point 3; Retcons are fairly common in the media nowadays and it could be said that 343 Industries changed Thel's first experience of fighting a Spartan.|Subtank}} | ||
:::::::::::She already explained that contradiction about Thel's first fight with a Spartan and how it has been retconned by 343i. | :::::::::::She already explained that contradiction about Thel's first fight with a Spartan and how it has been retconned by 343i. | ||
:::::::::::'''Regarding canon''': Halo Legends is a media that is on par with the Halo literatures (neither inferior nor superior), as the anime series was supervised/developed/produced by 343 Industries and those under it, and should be treated as so. Treat it like a novel but animated. The Xbox Magazine, being a promotional material (described as ''"some is for promotional purposes or Halo ideas that were released in incomplete development"''), will be considered an inferior canon. Because Halo Legends is of equal canon status with the novels, one can assume that the inconsistencies have been retconned. Note that Subtank mentioned that the magazine only '''''supports''''' the fact that Thel will be in Halo Legends.[[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 01:05, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | :::::::::::'''Regarding canon''': Halo Legends is a media that is on par with the Halo literatures (neither inferior nor superior), as the anime series was supervised/developed/produced by 343 Industries and those under it, and should be treated as so. Treat it like a novel but animated. The Xbox Magazine, being a promotional material (described as ''"some is for promotional purposes or Halo ideas that were released in incomplete development"''), will be considered an inferior canon. Because Halo Legends is of equal canon status with the novels, one can assume that the inconsistencies have been retconned. Note that Subtank mentioned that the magazine only '''''supports''''' the fact that Thel will be in Halo Legends.[[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 01:05, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::Yes, going by that logic, what you say is true, but the Xbox magazine isn't the ''only'' source, the subtitles being what backs it up. In addition to that, why hasn't anyone mentioned the foreshadowing quote; "He is already shamed. His only path now is death, or Arbiter."? And before people point out that if it is Thel, he would not be shamed for another 17 years, Frankie hinted that the Shipmaster got in trouble over the whole incident, seeing as he stopped the so-called Thel from killing John, and detonated an ''entire'' cruiser just to hinder the Spartans. The Shipmaster was biased towards Thel, and he didn't even know Thel was about to kill John. Him being punished, and Thel's actions against the Spartans would very nicely tie in to Thel's promotion to Kaidon just before the events of ''The Cole Protocol''. - | :::::::::::Yes, going by that logic, what you say is true, but the Xbox magazine isn't the ''only'' source, the subtitles being what backs it up. In addition to that, why hasn't anyone mentioned the foreshadowing quote; "He is already shamed. His only path now is death, or Arbiter."? And before people point out that if it is Thel, he would not be shamed for another 17 years, Frankie hinted that the Shipmaster got in trouble over the whole incident, seeing as he stopped the so-called Thel from killing John, and detonated an ''entire'' cruiser just to hinder the Spartans. The Shipmaster was biased towards Thel, and he didn't even know Thel was about to kill John. Him being punished, and Thel's actions against the Spartans would very nicely tie in to Thel's promotion to Kaidon just before the events of ''The Cole Protocol''. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 01:01, April 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
===Voting=== | ===Voting=== | ||
*{{Support}} - Per Jugus and... lol everyone . --> | *{{Support}} - Per Jugus and... lol everyone . --> [[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''Master'''</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''Chief'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''Petty'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''Officer'''</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">'''John-117'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Personal Favorite</span>]])'''</sup>. 18:51, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*{{Support}} - As per Jugus and Cally99117 (MCPO 117) | *{{Support}} - As per Jugus and Cally99117 (MCPO 117) <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag<span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 18:59, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*{{Support}} - For the reasons stated above. While one could say it conflicts with common sense, I'm having a hard time accepting the inconsistency until the possible retcon has been explicitly announced. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 19:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | *{{Support}} - For the reasons stated above. While one could say it conflicts with common sense, I'm having a hard time accepting the inconsistency until the possible retcon has been explicitly announced. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 19:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Never thought I would get that many lol. --> | :Never thought I would get that many lol. --> [[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''Master'''</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''Chief'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''Petty'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''Officer'''</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">'''John-117'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Personal Favorite</span>]])'''</sup>. 19:27, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*{{Support}} - As per myself and everyone else who supports this. The book/Legends contradiction is a more protected canon than the Official Xbox Magazine article (The only absolute source that I know of that link the two) or anything but another book, game, or official product from Bungie or 343. The first Spartan encounter in TCP can't be retconned unless by a higher source of canon. But that's just not present.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 20:27, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | *{{Support}} - As per myself and everyone else who supports this. The book/Legends contradiction is a more protected canon than the Official Xbox Magazine article (The only absolute source that I know of that link the two) or anything but another book, game, or official product from Bungie or 343. The first Spartan encounter in TCP can't be retconned unless by a higher source of canon. But that's just not present.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 20:27, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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*{{Oppose}} - I may be just the local n00b around here, but I like the implications it would have for the character as a major Arbiter fan, especially as it pertains to that final 'Were it so easy...' at the end of Halo 3. After all, the line would carry extra weight- he'd have even MORE reason to believe that the Chief's legendary luck somehow found a way to pluck his buns out of the fire at the last possible second, just like it found a way to keep him from getting wasted from Thel himself years before if the Thel from the Package and Thel 'Vadam are one and the same. And while I LOVE The Cole Protocol (my favorite Halo novel mainly because of the insight it gives into Thel's character and getting to see Jacob Keyes in action again), keeping this in just adds so much more depth to the character than it takes away. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 20:11, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | *{{Oppose}} - I may be just the local n00b around here, but I like the implications it would have for the character as a major Arbiter fan, especially as it pertains to that final 'Were it so easy...' at the end of Halo 3. After all, the line would carry extra weight- he'd have even MORE reason to believe that the Chief's legendary luck somehow found a way to pluck his buns out of the fire at the last possible second, just like it found a way to keep him from getting wasted from Thel himself years before if the Thel from the Package and Thel 'Vadam are one and the same. And while I LOVE The Cole Protocol (my favorite Halo novel mainly because of the insight it gives into Thel's character and getting to see Jacob Keyes in action again), keeping this in just adds so much more depth to the character than it takes away. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 20:11, April 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::That piece of evidence is very minor. <s><u>User does not have over 50 edits.</u></s> --> | ::That piece of evidence is very minor. <s><u>User does not have over 50 edits.</u></s> --> [[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''Master'''</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''Chief'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''Petty'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''Officer'''</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">'''John-117'''</span>]] <sup>'''([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Personal Favorite</span>]])'''</sup>. 06:55, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::So is the discrepancy between The Package and The Cole Protocol, though I digress being a Star Wars fan during the era of TCW has sort of put the issue of retcons into perspective for me, so I find little things like this easier to swallow. Besides which, I have other reasons for believing The Package's Thel and Thel 'Vadam are one and the same- namely, what's the purpose of having the Master Chief- the franchise's main protagonist and thus the yardstick against which you measure others- lose to a Major Domo Sangheili unless it's to show he's one that is exceptionally skilled and make him stand out from the crowd? Throw in the name 'Thel', and who ''else'' are we supposed to think of if not the future Arbiter? I, for one, choose to believe this isn't a coincidence. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 16:29, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | :::So is the discrepancy between The Package and The Cole Protocol, though I digress being a Star Wars fan during the era of TCW has sort of put the issue of retcons into perspective for me, so I find little things like this easier to swallow. Besides which, I have other reasons for believing The Package's Thel and Thel 'Vadam are one and the same- namely, what's the purpose of having the Master Chief- the franchise's main protagonist and thus the yardstick against which you measure others- lose to a Major Domo Sangheili unless it's to show he's one that is exceptionally skilled and make him stand out from the crowd? Throw in the name 'Thel', and who ''else'' are we supposed to think of if not the future Arbiter? I, for one, choose to believe this isn't a coincidence. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 16:29, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:It is may so I need help making the article {{User:Cally99117/Sig|08:43, May 1, 2010}} | :It is may so I need help making the article {{User:Cally99117/Sig|08:43, May 1, 2010}} | ||
{{Oppose}} - As per Subtank and my several points above. - | {{Oppose}} - As per Subtank and my several points above. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:42, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Oppose}} - As per myself.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 16:48, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | {{Oppose}} - As per myself.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 16:48, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::You destroyed it when what you said was: ''"You can start moving the information on '''May'''."'' when now it is may and I created the page before you two voted which I think is cheating. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|18:00, May 1, 2010}} | :::You destroyed it when what you said was: ''"You can start moving the information on '''May'''."'' when now it is may and I created the page before you two voted which I think is cheating. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|18:00, May 1, 2010}} | ||
::::We were both going to vote anyway, we just didn't mean to leave it this long. And quite frankly, the points and evidence against the move are far more plausible and substantial than those of supporters. - | ::::We were both going to vote anyway, we just didn't mean to leave it this long. And quite frankly, the points and evidence against the move are far more plausible and substantial than those of supporters. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 17:10, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::Yes. However I made the page before you two voted and I made it on this very day which Subtank told me and now she messed it up when I had the majority so why is it she made that comment!? {{User:Cally99117/Sig|18:13, May 1, 2010}} | :::::Yes. However I made the page before you two voted and I made it on this very day which Subtank told me and now she messed it up when I had the majority so why is it she made that comment!? {{User:Cally99117/Sig|18:13, May 1, 2010}} | ||
::::::Perhaps you should read [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is | ::::::Perhaps you should read [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is|What Halopedia is not]] and take into account that Halopedia is not a democracy - decisions are made through discussion, votes simply help to drive that. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 17:19, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::Note that I said ''"You '''can'''..."'' ;) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 17:37, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::Note that I said ''"You '''can'''..."'' ;) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 17:37, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::('''NOTE''': ''This is just about showing what Subtank said a bit wrong and I will put them in bold.'') | :::::::('''NOTE''': ''This is just about showing what Subtank said a bit wrong and I will put them in bold.'') | ||
:::::::{{Quote|When it's '''May''' and '''majority supported''', then '''you can''' move the information.|[[User:Subtank|Subtank]]}} | :::::::{{Quote|When it's '''May''' and '''majority supported''', then '''you can''' move the information.|[[User:Subtank|Subtank]]}} | ||
:::::::(''May'') You said May right? (''Majority supported'') Really? I thought [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is | :::::::(''May'') You said May right? (''Majority supported'') Really? I thought [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is|What Halopedia is not]] said that [[Halopedia]] [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is#Halopedia is not a democracy|is not a democracy]]? <sup>(Think before you say.)</sup> (''You can'') What did you mean I can? (Because it said ''you can'' and she was talking to me and this is me so I should say '''''I'''''.) If you say that I want to know why you said it was not authorised because if it is not then it shouldn't be ''you can move the information.'' but it should be: ''an [[Halopedia:Administrators|Administrator]] can move the information.''. --> '''[[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">My Page</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">Talk Page</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">Contributions Page</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">All Edits Page</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">Email Page</span>]] <small>(UserWiki:Cally99117|<span style="color:yellow">Wiki Page</span>]])</small> <sup>([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Favourite Page</span>]])</sup> <sup>([[User:Cally99117/Userboxes|<span style="color:Lime">Opinion Page</span>]])</sup>''' 13:55, May 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::::That is the general rule of thumb when proposing a merge (Just like "Ignore all rules" rule of thumb). However, this general rule will most likely be avoided when it comes to critical matters such as the one above. ;) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 15:41, May 30, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::::That is the general rule of thumb when proposing a merge (Just like "Ignore all rules" rule of thumb). However, this general rule will most likely be avoided when it comes to critical matters such as the one above. ;) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 15:41, May 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::Like I said ''"Think before you say"''. And you changed it. Why is it that you said majority of supporters above then you say majority of ''evidence'' below so when you said that on May I moved the information '''before''' you two voted which changed it as soon as I was about to move the information and yo said it was not authorised but you said ''"'''you''' can"'' which is making me wonder why you said it was not authorised when you said before ''"you can"'' which made me think I could do it so say you will never say one thing but have the future comment oppose it. --> | :::::::::Like I said ''"Think before you say"''. And you changed it. Why is it that you said majority of supporters above then you say majority of ''evidence'' below so when you said that on May I moved the information '''before''' you two voted which changed it as soon as I was about to move the information and yo said it was not authorised but you said ''"'''you''' can"'' which is making me wonder why you said it was not authorised when you said before ''"you can"'' which made me think I could do it so say you will never say one thing but have the future comment oppose it. --> '''[[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">Userpage</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">User talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">Contributions</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">Editcount</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">Email</span>]] <small>(UserWiki:Cally99117|<span style="color:yellow">UserWiki</span>]])</small> <sup>([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Favourite</span>]])</sup> <sup>([[User:Cally99117/Userboxes|<span style="color:Lime">Userboxes</span>]])</sup>''' 09:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::::::'''''Think before you say'''''. Was it me that said the move was not authorised? | ::::::::::'''''Think before you say'''''. Was it me that said the move was not authorised? | ||
::::::::::General rules, like the "Majority supports ensures Article can be moved" approach, are largely unwritten and are not always successfully enforceable. They are treated something similar to conventions and mostly unsuccessfully enforceable.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 12:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::::::General rules, like the "Majority supports ensures Article can be moved" approach, are largely unwritten and are not always successfully enforceable. They are treated something similar to conventions and mostly unsuccessfully enforceable.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 12:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::If you See the log you will know that you said it was not authorised (even though [[User:Halo-343|Halo-343]] said it first but you when you deleted the page you said pretty much the same thing as ''Halo-343''). | :::::::::::If you See the log you will know that you said it was not authorised (even though [[User:Halo-343|Halo-343]] said it first but you when you deleted the page you said pretty much the same thing as ''Halo-343''). | ||
:::::::::::Are you trying to say that in the end the rule could not have been enforced? --> | :::::::::::Are you trying to say that in the end the rule could not have been enforced? --> '''[[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">Userpage</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">User talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">Contributions</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">Editcount</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">Email</span>]] <small>(UserWiki:Cally99117|<span style="color:yellow">UserWiki</span>]])</small> <sup>([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Favourite</span>]])</sup> <sup>([[User:Cally99117/Userboxes|<span style="color:Lime">Userboxes</span>]])</sup>''' 12:57, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::::::::::They could be enforced (depending on the situation/circumstances), but not always enforced. [[Wikipedia:Convention_(norm)#Government|They]], for the most part, are largely ignored and unenforced. Anyway, we're deviating from the actual proposal and not contributing anything to the proposal, hence it would be better to bury this discussion. If you want to continue this discussion, please do so via user talk pages.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 13:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ::::::::::::They could be enforced (depending on the situation/circumstances), but not always enforced. [[Wikipedia:Convention_(norm)#Government|They]], for the most part, are largely ignored and unenforced. Anyway, we're deviating from the actual proposal and not contributing anything to the proposal, hence it would be better to bury this discussion. If you want to continue this discussion, please do so via user talk pages.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 13:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
*{{Support}}I agree that in The Package, the Elite we see is Thel, but the Arbiter in The Duel is not as it says in the gallery. I'm for sure because I looked a casting of Halo Legends, Thel is listed in The Package but not in The Duel.[[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 21:32, July 15, 2010 (UTC) | *{{Support}}I agree that in The Package, the Elite we see is Thel, but the Arbiter in The Duel is not as it says in the gallery. I'm for sure because I looked a casting of Halo Legends, Thel is listed in The Package but not in The Duel.[[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 21:32, July 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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==Infobox== | ==Infobox== | ||
Anyone else seeing the lack of a rank or homeworld in the infobox render? The info is there, in code, but it does not display in the infobox when the browser renders the page. I suspect this is because the classifiers are incorrectly spelled (like changing 'home' to 'homeworld' cuased the info for 'home' to not be displayed). | Anyone else seeing the lack of a rank or homeworld in the infobox render? The info is there, in code, but it does not display in the infobox when the browser renders the page. I suspect this is because the classifiers are incorrectly spelled (like changing 'home' to 'homeworld' cuased the info for 'home' to not be displayed). <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag<span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 03:03, April 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:You're right about the misspellings/typos. Fixed them all, and the infobox should be shipshape now. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 03:26, April 22, 2010 (UTC) | :You're right about the misspellings/typos. Fixed them all, and the infobox should be shipshape now. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 03:26, April 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::It's not fixed. The Homeworld works now, but the rank still doesn't work. Did you use the preview function before saving? Or maybe it works for you but not for me. I'm using the latest version of Firefox, 3.6.6 I think. | ::It's not fixed. The Homeworld works now, but the rank still doesn't work. Did you use the preview function before saving? Or maybe it works for you but not for me. I'm using the latest version of Firefox, 3.6.6 I think. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag<span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 03:28, April 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Yes, I used the preview button, and checked it after saving the edit before posting that. Funny thing, the Rank section shows up fine for me on IE7... [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 00:52, April 23, 2010 (UTC) | :::Yes, I used the preview button, and checked it after saving the edit before posting that. Funny thing, the Rank section shows up fine for me on IE7... [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 00:52, April 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:That's his species' average height. The Human male average hight is like 5'11", but loads of guys are 6'1".-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 13:31, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | :That's his species' average height. The Human male average hight is like 5'11", but loads of guys are 6'1".-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 13:31, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::But in the [[Halo Encyclopedia]] on page 130 it says he is 7'10" so we have a source that he is that height. --> | ::But in the [[Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)]] on page 130 it says he is 7'10" so we have a source that he is that height. --> '''[[User:Cally99117|<span style="color:red">Userpage</span>]] [[User talk:Cally99117|<span style="color:brown">User talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cally99117|<span style="color:blue">Contributions</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">Editcount</span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Cally99117|<span style="color:black">Email</span>]] <small>(UserWiki:Cally99117|<span style="color:yellow">UserWiki</span>]])</small> <sup>([[Unggoy|<span style="color:grey">Favourite</span>]])</sup> <sup>([[User:Cally99117/Userboxes|<span style="color:Lime">Userboxes</span>]])</sup>''' 13:44, May 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==The Arbiter in Halo Legends: The Duel== | ==The Arbiter in Halo Legends: The Duel== | ||