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==Survivors== | |||
Not sure if there is some kind of list of living entities that survived the activation, but maybe that should be here? | |||
Additionally surviving AI could be included, but I think the biological entities are more interesting as there appear to be more and more living forerunners, such as [[Didact]] and the Unindentified Builder, and in a way [[Chakas]] though he was composed so not really biological for the activation. | |||
Not enough people to warrant a list. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - [[Blue Team|Team Chief]] 18:46, 1 December 2015 (EST) | |||
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Suggest moving to "Fortress World" as that seems to be the proper term. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 23:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC) | Suggest moving to "Fortress World" as that seems to be the proper term. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 23:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
:It would be harder to locate and Fortress World is more of an overall description, Halo is more of a name and title, unique to this array.<u>[[User:Lovemuffin|'''<font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin</font>''']]</u><sup> | :It would be harder to locate and Fortress World is more of an overall description, Halo is more of a name and title, unique to this array.<u>[[User:Lovemuffin|'''<font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin</font>''']]</u><sup>UserWiki:Lovemuffin|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Wiki Userpage</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Editcount/Lovemuffin|<font color="Navy">Edit Count</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lovemuffin|<font color="Gray">Talk Page</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lovemuffin|<font color="black">Contributions</font>]]</sub>File:Dancing_master_chief.gif|35px]] 02:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
I agree that Fortress world is better. Halo is kinda what the Covenant called them. Ringworld, Fortress world and Arrays are the only names their owners, the Foreruners, called them.[[User talk:Hatchling001|Hatchling001]] 06:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | I agree that Fortress world is better. Halo is kinda what the Covenant called them. Ringworld, Fortress world and Arrays are the only names their owners, the Foreruners, called them.[[User talk:Hatchling001|Hatchling001]] 06:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
Perhaps it should be mentioned in the opening paragraph that it is a fortress world, a term given to the rings by their creators. This would appease most people Im sure. [[User talk:Hatchling001|Hatchling001]] 01:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | Perhaps it should be mentioned in the opening paragraph that it is a fortress world, a term given to the rings by their creators. This would appease most people Im sure. [[User talk:Hatchling001|Hatchling001]] 01:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
I'm not sure if this edit ever happened, but if it did, then it should be removed. Because first of all, The Forerunners refer to it as "Halo" in Halo: Cryptum, and second of all, Halo's aren't Fortress Worlds, the Shield Worlds are Fortress Worlds![[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 17:22, 1 March 2011 (EST)!!!!!!!! | |||
:The computer core within Installation 04's control room disagrees - Cortana even reads aloud that it is "what they called a 'Fortress world'". If the shield worlds were fortress worlds, that would be their name. -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 19:28, 1 March 2011 (EST) | |||
==Locations== | ==Locations== | ||
It is curious that the other halo rings had not yet been found, since it would really only take knowledge of the location of perhaps two halo rings to determine the rough positions of the other six. The reason being all seven halos share the same design and consequently the same effective range. The halos would logically be arranged such that the entire inhabitable galaxy. The galaxy is relatively symmetrical, and consequently the halos would be placed opposite each-other on symmetrical sides of the galaxy. Dont know about the 7th, though. Perhaps that would be near the galactic core? [[User: ElFroCampeador|ElFroCampeador]] <sup>[[User talk:ElFroCampeador|<font color="red">TALK</font>]]</sup> | It is curious that the other halo rings had not yet been found, since it would really only take knowledge of the location of perhaps two halo rings to determine the rough positions of the other six. The reason being all seven halos share the same design and consequently the same effective range. The halos would logically be arranged such that the entire inhabitable galaxy. The galaxy is relatively symmetrical, and consequently the halos would be placed opposite each-other on symmetrical sides of the galaxy. Dont know about the 7th, though. Perhaps that would be near the galactic core? [[User: ElFroCampeador|ElFroCampeador]] <sup>[[User talk:ElFroCampeador|<font color="red">TALK</font>]]</sup> File:Marine Corp CPL.JPG|20px]] 19:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:I have a feeling that the two closest rings to our part of the Galaxy are 04 and 05, and they were found. It would take years for humans, with their limited slipspace capability, to reach another ring, but I can imagine that the Covenant may give it a try. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]] | :I have a feeling that the two closest rings to our part of the Galaxy are 04 and 05, and they were found. It would take years for humans, with their limited slipspace capability, to reach another ring, but I can imagine that the Covenant may give it a try. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]]File:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 22:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::In reference to the diagram in the Funtion section, the diagram is not a possible solution to probable locations. Firstly it is stated that the Array is not perfectly alligned with the galactic plane. Secondly, an installation is not possible in the centre of the galaxy as it is occupied by a super massive black hole.--[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 14:24, March 12, 2010 (UTC) | ::In reference to the diagram in the Funtion section, the diagram is not a possible solution to probable locations. Firstly it is stated that the Array is not perfectly alligned with the galactic plane. Secondly, an installation is not possible in the centre of the galaxy as it is occupied by a super massive black hole.--[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 14:24, March 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::You do know you're replying/commenting on a 2-year old discussion. >.>- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:30, March 12, 2010 (UTC) | :::You do know you're replying/commenting on a 2-year old discussion. >.>- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:30, March 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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This is probably a really obvious and irritating question, so sorry to disturb you. Thanks. [[User:81.151.247.65|81.151.247.65]] 18:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | This is probably a really obvious and irritating question, so sorry to disturb you. Thanks. [[User:81.151.247.65|81.151.247.65]] 18:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Because species such as the Humans and the covenants' multiple races were taken to the Ark, where they were kept safe. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] | :Because species such as the Humans and the covenants' multiple races were taken to the Ark, where they were kept safe. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[halofanon:Category:ONI recon 111|<font color="light blue">Cadet</font>]] [[User:ONI recon 111|<font color="green">ONI recon 111</font>]] | </b>File:1227612553 First3.jpg|30px]]</span> 18:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
::The only question that leaves is, how did all the protected races get to their homeworlds, with no knowledge or memory of the Ark, without memory or knowledge of each other and no knowledge of the sentinels etc on the Ark? '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[ | ::The only question that leaves is, how did all the protected races get to their homeworlds, with no knowledge or memory of the Ark, without memory or knowledge of each other and no knowledge of the sentinels etc on the Ark? '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 18:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::We don't know yet. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | :::We don't know yet. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::::Aside from it taking plenty of time for live to evolve, if the Halos truly destroyed ALL life, there'd be nothing to evolve FROM. I suppose the only posibility is if a specimen was saved (Ark or Shield World) then rereleased back into the galaxy after they thought the Flood had starved to death. The specimen(s) then evolved into the creatures we know today. Also, I think it is possible if ALL life evolved from Forerunner and this is what happened: Flood fought Forerunner. Forerunner scared so Forerunner hide and Forerunner fire the Halos. Forerunne think Flood dead so Forerunner come out of Shield World. Idividual (groups of) Forerunner go to different planets and evolve/devolve from there to suit their new enviroments. (This may or may not be possible, I hadn't really thought it out fully.) One more thing, this one about Local Time. Local time may vary from Installation to Installation. This 'local time' may be the time of the system each Halo is in, based on it's orbit of a star or planet. The time may also vary due to the different sizes that the Halos have. Alternatively, the local time of all the Halos could be the same as it may refer to the ancient format which the Forerunner used. | :::::Aside from it taking plenty of time for live to evolve, if the Halos truly destroyed ALL life, there'd be nothing to evolve FROM. I suppose the only posibility is if a specimen was saved (Ark or Shield World) then rereleased back into the galaxy after they thought the Flood had starved to death. The specimen(s) then evolved into the creatures we know today. Also, I think it is possible if ALL life evolved from Forerunner and this is what happened: Flood fought Forerunner. Forerunner scared so Forerunner hide and Forerunner fire the Halos. Forerunne think Flood dead so Forerunner come out of Shield World. Idividual (groups of) Forerunner go to different planets and evolve/devolve from there to suit their new enviroments. (This may or may not be possible, I hadn't really thought it out fully.) One more thing, this one about Local Time. Local time may vary from Installation to Installation. This 'local time' may be the time of the system each Halo is in, based on it's orbit of a star or planet. The time may also vary due to the different sizes that the Halos have. Alternatively, the local time of all the Halos could be the same as it may refer to the ancient format which the Forerunner used. | ||
::::::Who says they had no memory? Mythology comes from somewhere - where there's smoke, there's fire. Flood myths are pretty common across all human-occupied continents, with most cultures and religions having them in some form - the earth gets scoured, with a few survivors who start again. In the Halo Universe, it may be a folktale memory of when the Forerunners saved them from The Flood, wiped the galaxy clean, and returned them to their planet to start again. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | ::::::Who says they had no memory? Mythology comes from somewhere - where there's smoke, there's fire. Flood myths are pretty common across all human-occupied continents, with most cultures and religions having them in some form - the earth gets scoured, with a few survivors who start again. In the Halo Universe, it may be a folktale memory of when the Forerunners saved them from The Flood, wiped the galaxy clean, and returned them to their planet to start again. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 02:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::I'd like to make reference to the terminals describing one of the forerunners finding earth. I'd also like to point out that any planet in a green zone with a stabilizing moon and a helathy organic soup can evolve life fairly quickly, within a few million years. Most flood Myths on earth come from actual water flooding, Bungie has used this as a metaphor to describe the parasite. The Ark's design may have been a failsafe against the flood, almost like a fallout shelter would be used next to a helipad. If you can't get the helicopter, use the shelter. Likely, The ray would effect The cerebral cortex, or the frontal lobe, which only occurs in species capable of becoming sentient. What happened to the forerunners is unknown, there is a good chance, that they simply all died. If they did change location or transcend their condition, Then they would've been fully capable of influencing evoltion to reproduce their species Cosmically. By planting and forming life on earth, they would've been able to re-create their own evolutionary history, creatures like the dimetrodon, mammals, and eventually lead up to human. They clearly exhibit the capability to do this, as noted by Catherine Halsey, Charting The events for the slipsace crystal, or john's own "luck."<br /> | :::::::I'd like to make reference to the terminals describing one of the forerunners finding earth. I'd also like to point out that any planet in a green zone with a stabilizing moon and a helathy organic soup can evolve life fairly quickly, within a few million years. Most flood Myths on earth come from actual water flooding, Bungie has used this as a metaphor to describe the parasite. The Ark's design may have been a failsafe against the flood, almost like a fallout shelter would be used next to a helipad. If you can't get the helicopter, use the shelter. Likely, The ray would effect The cerebral cortex, or the frontal lobe, which only occurs in species capable of becoming sentient. What happened to the forerunners is unknown, there is a good chance, that they simply all died. If they did change location or transcend their condition, Then they would've been fully capable of influencing evoltion to reproduce their species Cosmically. By planting and forming life on earth, they would've been able to re-create their own evolutionary history, creatures like the dimetrodon, mammals, and eventually lead up to human. They clearly exhibit the capability to do this, as noted by Catherine Halsey, Charting The events for the slipsace crystal, or john's own "luck."<br /> | ||
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*[[Installation 07]] should be '''Eta Halo'''. | *[[Installation 07]] should be '''Eta Halo'''. | ||
I'm Greek, and I know my country's alphabet. - [[User:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">Μητσάρας</span>''']] [[User talk:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">κι όποιος</span>''']] [[Special:Contributions/JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">αντέξει</span>''']] | I'm Greek, and I know my country's alphabet. - [[User:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">Μητσάρας</span>''']] [[User talk:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">κι όποιος</span>''']] [[Special:Contributions/JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">αντέξει</span>''']] File:1229655910-Th_master.jpg|20px]] | ||
:No, they shouldn't be named as that. The UNSC gave the greek letters. Installation 04 was encountered first, and is therefore Alpha Halo. I'm not sure how that works for Delta halo, as it was found second, and should be Beta, but we have currently listed them to how the Halo games have presented them, so therefore, canon. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[ | :No, they shouldn't be named as that. The UNSC gave the greek letters. Installation 04 was encountered first, and is therefore Alpha Halo. I'm not sure how that works for Delta halo, as it was found second, and should be Beta, but we have currently listed them to how the Halo games have presented them, so therefore, canon. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 21:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
*They're supposed to be wrong, thats how they are in the Halo universe. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | *They're supposed to be wrong, thats how they are in the Halo universe. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Okay, Alpha Halo is a FAN given name. It ain't official. Even if it was, no one said it was Greek. It may follow the Phonetic Alphabet. Which is very possible as military often uses it and there is at least one use of it in the Halo Games (Sierra 117). The Phonetic Alphabet has both Alpha and Delta: '''Alpha''', Bravo, Charlie, '''Delta''', Echo, etc etc. | Okay, Alpha Halo is a FAN given name. It ain't official. Even if it was, no one said it was Greek. It may follow the Phonetic Alphabet. Which is very possible as military often uses it and there is at least one use of it in the Halo Games (Sierra 117). The Phonetic Alphabet has both Alpha and Delta: '''Alpha''', Bravo, Charlie, '''Delta''', Echo, etc etc. | ||
Umm first, Phonetic Alphabet is almost as today's language, only some edits is done by the Greeks and Romans, and second, they just call it that because it sounds nice during the game testing...I guess...[[User:.::souljer::.|<font color="red"><tt>'''Soul-Reaper'''</tt></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:.::souljer::.|<font color="orange">'''Can't talk...being chased !!'''</font>]]</sup><sub>[http:// | Umm first, Phonetic Alphabet is almost as today's language, only some edits is done by the Greeks and Romans, and second, they just call it that because it sounds nice during the game testing...I guess...[[User:.::souljer::.|<font color="red"><tt>'''Soul-Reaper'''</tt></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:.::souljer::.|<font color="orange">'''Can't talk...being chased !!'''</font>]]</sup><sub>[http://halopedian.com/Special:Editcount/.::souljer::. <font color="gold">Pepsi makes me High!</font>]</sub> <sup>UserWiki:.::souljer::.|<font color="silver">Project: PROMETHEUS</font>]]</sup> 13:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
I don't think it really matters that much though. Maybe they had some really good reason for it, or maybe it was just random. Who knows? Why don't you just ask someone at Bungie if you want to know it that much. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 20:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC) | I don't think it really matters that much though. Maybe they had some really good reason for it, or maybe it was just random. Who knows? Why don't you just ask someone at Bungie if you want to know it that much. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 20:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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tuned and powered, they could do more than that—they could kill all neurologically | tuned and powered, they could do more than that—they could kill all neurologically | ||
complex life across whole swaths of the galaxy." The idea was that the Halo arrays literally fried the neural pathways of animals, and whatever similar systems plants had, effectively making them brain dead. [[User talk:Anriel|Anriel]] 02:09, 26 January 2011 (EST) | complex life across whole swaths of the galaxy." The idea was that the Halo arrays literally fried the neural pathways of animals, and whatever similar systems plants had, effectively making them brain dead. [[User talk:Anriel|Anriel]] 02:09, 26 January 2011 (EST) | ||
If they didn't disintegrate, all the dead bodies would still be able to use as biomass for the Flood. [[User talk:Sor|Sor]] 05:38, 6 February 2011 (EST) | |||
Anriel has it correct, the bodies are still around after the firing, but only plants with a neural system would be affected. A fern would be completely untouched. And Sor, what would a now dumb Flood use all that brainless biomass for? Without brain matter, without a host's neurology, the Flood are just highly dangerous dumb beasts. Sure, they could infect it, convert it to Flood, but after a long period of time it would just rot away. --[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 03:25, 2 March 2011 (EST) | |||
==Name== | ==Name== | ||
Doesn't the term "Halo" refer to the collection of Sacred Rings as a whole rather than to individual rings? My point is, is "Halos" a proper term to be using to describe multiple rings? I believe this is what [[Dadab]] was saying in the narration of Contact Harvest, a more up to date facet of the Haloverse possibly retconning previous books. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 03:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC) | Doesn't the term "Halo" refer to the collection of Sacred Rings as a whole rather than to individual rings? My point is, is "Halos" a proper term to be using to describe multiple rings? I believe this is what [[Dadab]] was saying in the narration of Contact Harvest, a more up to date facet of the Haloverse possibly retconning previous books. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 03:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
There is a Halo, singular. A Sacred Ring, singular. The Sacred Rings/Halos, plural. The Array, all rings included. --[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 03:20, 2 March 2011 (EST) | |||
== What do these things kill? == | == What do these things kill? == | ||
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Now, one could explain the inconsistency by claiming that Cortana (and others) had only a limited knowledge of the Halo Array. Cortana, however, hacked into [[Installation 04]]'s [[Core]] to learn about the Array's purpose, meaning that the Installation's own programming code indicated that it did not directly kill the Flood. | Now, one could explain the inconsistency by claiming that Cortana (and others) had only a limited knowledge of the Halo Array. Cortana, however, hacked into [[Installation 04]]'s [[Core]] to learn about the Array's purpose, meaning that the Installation's own programming code indicated that it did not directly kill the Flood. | ||
So we have an inconsistency here: what do the Halos actually kill? Everything but the Flood, or everything and the Flood? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | So we have an inconsistency here: what do the Halos actually kill? Everything but the Flood, or everything and the Flood? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 05:58, September 20, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:While what you say is true, I believe I have some reasoning. Based on what the terminals and in game references say, the forerunners believed the flood to be more of a parasite, a disease. In this respect, it is highly likely that the forerunners did not think of the flood as a living being, and the term ''life'' is in fact referring to all highly sentient life, such as that of the Forerunners themselves. If the Halo Array kill everything with, say, a specific brainwave, then all highly sentient live would be killed, while the underdeveloped life like that of the Humans would still be alive. That way, since the flood kill things with a certain brainwave, their "food" would all be killed. The process of evolution could later develop said brainwave into Human life, making us susceptible to the flood. ~[[ | :While what you say is true, I believe I have some reasoning. Based on what the terminals and in game references say, the forerunners believed the flood to be more of a parasite, a disease. In this respect, it is highly likely that the forerunners did not think of the flood as a living being, and the term ''life'' is in fact referring to all highly sentient life, such as that of the Forerunners themselves. If the Halo Array kill everything with, say, a specific brainwave, then all highly sentient live would be killed, while the underdeveloped life like that of the Humans would still be alive. That way, since the flood kill things with a certain brainwave, their "food" would all be killed. The process of evolution could later develop said brainwave into Human life, making us susceptible to the flood. ~[[wikia:User:Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''Blade bane'''</font>]] ~ [[halowikia:Special: Contributions/Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''Anti-Vandal'''</font>]]~ 06:06, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane | ||
:I also think that the firing of the array might kill the hosts to the flood even if infected. If the flood is a parasite, it needs hosts, thus killing sentient life would kill the bodies the flood infest thus explaining what is mentioned in the terminals as Mendicant's ships being immobilized. The same was said about Offensive's fleet. Vessels strictly driven by pilots not the waring AI's were all lost when the rings fired. I imagine the little flood parasite crawling from the useless bodies after the firing and scurrying about looking for hosts. In a sense they were probably the only things to remain after all those years, which is why on Halo CE they burst from the containment rooms to infect you. The rings are said to kill only sentient life, man on earth wasn't around back then, and the most basic flood parasites are actually not intelligent thus they survived. But to kill those suckers you might have to kill all life which would be useless. Plants and small creatures that do not have (as Guilty spark puts it in Halo CE during the Library) Sufficient bio-mass necessary to sustain the flood would have to go too, leaving absolutely nothing. Imagine a galaxy with no life at all. How could you restart all that? What they did was basically do what Russia has done for many wars, abandon the towns being invaded and burn them to deny access to your enemy. It works. {{Unsigned|Hatchling001}} | :I also think that the firing of the array might kill the hosts to the flood even if infected. If the flood is a parasite, it needs hosts, thus killing sentient life would kill the bodies the flood infest thus explaining what is mentioned in the terminals as Mendicant's ships being immobilized. The same was said about Offensive's fleet. Vessels strictly driven by pilots not the waring AI's were all lost when the rings fired. I imagine the little flood parasite crawling from the useless bodies after the firing and scurrying about looking for hosts. In a sense they were probably the only things to remain after all those years, which is why on Halo CE they burst from the containment rooms to infect you. The rings are said to kill only sentient life, man on earth wasn't around back then, and the most basic flood parasites are actually not intelligent thus they survived. But to kill those suckers you might have to kill all life which would be useless. Plants and small creatures that do not have (as Guilty spark puts it in Halo CE during the Library) Sufficient bio-mass necessary to sustain the flood would have to go too, leaving absolutely nothing. Imagine a galaxy with no life at all. How could you restart all that? What they did was basically do what Russia has done for many wars, abandon the towns being invaded and burn them to deny access to your enemy. It works. {{Unsigned|Hatchling001}} | ||
::Good theories, both of you. It didn't occur to me that Infection Forms are still separate from their hosts, even after they have warped the host's body to accommodate them. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | ::Good theories, both of you. It didn't occur to me that Infection Forms are still separate from their hosts, even after they have warped the host's body to accommodate them. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 18:35, September 20, 2009 (UTC) | ||
The Array destroys neural matter, the parts of biology that correspond to thought, and what the flood desparately craves to increase it's own intelligence. When the rings fired the first time they destroyed the Flood's specialized neural cells rendering them, for the lack of a better term, dumb as algae and unable to pilot; though their basal forms,(the infectors, spores and various other infectious biomass) were left intact. It also destroyed the neural pathways of all other organic life in the galaxy, which explains why the flood wouldn't be able to infect other bodies and take off again, there was no neural tissue to use for their own brainpower. They also destroyed all precursor artifacts in the Milky Way as a side effect of their neural physics. Hope this helps. --[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 03:15, 2 March 2011 (EST) | |||
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:Actually, my impression was that the harmonic pulse ''did'' destroy the Flood, but only its accumulated biomass, not the actual Flood spores. And as long as evena single spore survives, so does the Flood. During the battle between Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias, portions of ''both'' fleets were rendered inoperable as the pulse swept through, killing all biologicals in it - giving Offensive Bias the advantage. Why would Mendicant Bias' forces be affected if the Flood was immune? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 04:26, December 2, 2009 (UTC) | :Actually, my impression was that the harmonic pulse ''did'' destroy the Flood, but only its accumulated biomass, not the actual Flood spores. And as long as evena single spore survives, so does the Flood. During the battle between Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias, portions of ''both'' fleets were rendered inoperable as the pulse swept through, killing all biologicals in it - giving Offensive Bias the advantage. Why would Mendicant Bias' forces be affected if the Flood was immune? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 04:26, December 2, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Ok, this is my theory: The halo super dense neutrinos pulse destroy every neural system in range, efectively killing all living organism posesing even a notocord, sparing moses, plants, fungus and bacteria, and (almost certain) the flood supercells (wich are posibly the organic dust found by humans 110,000 BC in the magellanic cloud). now, I was thinking about something Cortana says at the climax of Halo 3. "I we don't make it, John, it was an honor serve with you", why Cortana include herself in "If we don't make it"? Well, the human built AI's are made up from copying or scanning a human brain, replicating the neural path, thus, making the neural net of an AI a reproduction or an almost identical copy of a human brain. and thus, vulnerable to the Halo efect. | |||
The Precursor artifacts must be include a neural net in their fabric too, but Forerunner AIs and computer systems must be quite diferent to be inmune to the Halo efect. [User:'''AlphaLima1980''', February 21, 2011 (UTC)] | |||
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:We certainly know there is [[Forerunner Crystal|more than one type of slipspace]]. But until we know ''exactly'' what kind of harmonic wave is generated, what medium it travels through, and whether this explicitly violates relativistic theory, I would say we keep it to the talk page. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 04:19, December 2, 2009 (UTC) | :We certainly know there is [[Forerunner Crystal|more than one type of slipspace]]. But until we know ''exactly'' what kind of harmonic wave is generated, what medium it travels through, and whether this explicitly violates relativistic theory, I would say we keep it to the talk page. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 04:19, December 2, 2009 (UTC) | ||
It appers to me that when an Installation is fired, three things happen. 1: The ring fired and that decimating pulse travels at superluminal speeds and wipes out every living thing within its radius more or less instantly. 2: It alerts the Ark that the ring has been fired, or in one case aborted. And 3: During the charging sequence the Installation sends out another superluminal signal to the other rings, and they proceed to fire in synch with each other. Just my theory. --[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 03:06, 2 March 2011 (EST) | |||
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There seems to be several contradictions of the number of 'Halo' installations created. In Halo: Cryptum, it is stated that 12 were commissioned, and it can be assumed that the 5 that Mendicant Bias tried to control were destroyed, leaving the 7 from the games. However, when Bornstella reaches the Ark, he sees 6 rings that were above the ark, and learns that only 1 survived the transition from the capital to the Ark, meaning that there were 5 OTHER Halos that had been commissioned. Anyone have any explanations for this? [[User talk:Anriel|Anriel]] 02:15, 26 January 2011 (EST) | There seems to be several contradictions of the number of 'Halo' installations created. In Halo: Cryptum, it is stated that 12 were commissioned, and it can be assumed that the 5 that Mendicant Bias tried to control were destroyed, leaving the 7 from the games. However, when Bornstella reaches the Ark, he sees 6 rings that were above the ark, and learns that only 1 survived the transition from the capital to the Ark, meaning that there were 5 OTHER Halos that had been commissioned. Anyone have any explanations for this? [[User talk:Anriel|Anriel]] 02:15, 26 January 2011 (EST) | ||
:I got the impression that all seven of them came through the portal, but one of them was damaged from the transition. I'll have to go back to that section - if not, then the rest of the Halo's at the Capital were probably destroyed when Mendicant Bias fired his own. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :I got the impression that all seven of them came through the portal, but one of them was damaged from the transition. I'll have to go back to that section - if not, then the rest of the Halo's at the Capital were probably destroyed when Mendicant Bias fired his own. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:06, 26 January 2011 (EST) | ||
:: Hate to say it but you're wrong there were 18. Chapter 40 pg 329, final paragraph "I was looking upon another array of installations:six rings," Then again pg 335, second paragraph "In the battle of the capital, only on installation had survived the passage through the portal without breaking up." So we have Faber's 12 and the Librarian's 6. Of the 12 one makes it back, and that gives us the final seven. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:46, 23 February 2011 (EST) | |||
This is what happened. All of them got destroyed besides for one. Then they build 6 more at the Ark. Giving us 7![[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 19:59, 23 February 2011 (EST)!!!!!!!!!! | |||
: Yes that is what I said, thank you for explaining it so well. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 21:05, 23 February 2011 (EST) | |||
::I wonder if we'll ever know which of the seven was one of the original twelve... [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:40, 25 February 2011 (EST) | |||
== Halo Names == | |||
On the Delta Halo page there is a transcript of how the ring got infected, and in it I found this: | |||
"[alpha, beta, gamma, epsilon, zeta, and kappa sites] have all replied [systems normal] within expected constraints." | |||
The other six Halos. Alpha is 04, but is first on the list, and Delta is 05, but as the subject of the events, is not on the list, which means we still don't know is which ones are 01, 02, 03, 06, and 07. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:40, 25 February 2011 (EST) | |||
== Forerunner Trilogy like Halo: Reach== | |||
I think we should do like what we did with Halo: Reach, in that we don't add data about it unless we are 117%(see what I did there?) sure it's true (like "The Battle for The Citadel" article, we know it happened so that's good). So, where we put above the "Firing" section, about how one of the rings during the Battle of the Capitol is in the Halo series, we should say that it MIGHT be one of the rings from the Halo series, because it could be that they use the weapon in one of the other 2 books, to destroy an enemy, destroying the ring in the process. Or it received a lot of damage so they took it apart and used the pieces on the other Halos. But until we know what happened, I think it should be changed. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 17:19, 1 March 2011 (EST)!!! | |||
:There were many ringworlds built; don't assume that because attention was focused on one in particular that it is, say, Installation 04. It would be best to remove anything on the page giving it a designation as speculative. Until they can provide a source, it stays off.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 19:32, 1 March 2011 (EST) | |||
::I never put in it that it might be 04, only that as far as we know one of them is the bigger original. Unless that gets changed in the coming books, that should stay on. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:10, 2 March 2011 (EST) | |||
== Lemme get this straight. == | |||
All of the Halos can be fired at once from the Ark. I know that. But I thought the Halo rings would each have to be activated individually otherwise. But from what I read in the article, it sounds like if you manually activate one halo, it will fire and then all of the other rings will follow. Which means you can't fire one without firing them all. Is that correct or am I mixed up? --[[User:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''''X'''''</span><span style="color:#FF7518">'''''Super'''''</span><span style="color:#CE0000">'''''Gamer'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#303030">'''''Talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 18:25, 4 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I'd imagine that the rings can be fired individually. It would be a major design oversight on the Forerunners' part if they can't. However, I don't recall any source stating that firing such a "tactical" pulse is possible, unless the ring is not linked to the rest of the array, like at Charum Hakkor and the Ark. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 18:55, 4 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
Guilty Spark does say that "technically" his own Installation will only work toward a certain range, but says that "the others [will] follow suit". It definitely makes it sound as though firing one makes them all go off once the blast reaches another's ring territory. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 19:02, 4 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Alright. I only have one more question. I know the Halo rings are all "networked" together and form the Halo Array. My question is, do they all connect to each other directly or do they use the Ark as a "server" of sorts to communicate with each other? | |||
:Simply put, if a Halo fires does it send a signal directly to the 6 other rings or does it send a signal to the Ark, which relays the signal to the other 6 installations? --[[User:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''''X'''''</span><span style="color:#FF7518">'''''Super'''''</span><span style="color:#CE0000">'''''Gamer'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#303030">'''''Talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 19:16, 4 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
::It is quite possible that both methods are used for the sake of redundancy. I'd imagine that a signal is sent to the Ark and to the other Halos simultaneously. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 19:18, 4 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
I had figured that firing a ring on its own would make them go off one at a time once the blast from one reached another's territory, and firing from the Ark would make them all fire simultaneously. At least, that's what it sounded like by "follow suit". [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:08, 4 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:The plot issue I have with this is at the end of Halo 2 and the beginning of Halo 3 it is stated that the Ark is the place you had to go to to activate them all, that was the whole plot of Halo 3 really. :/ [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:45, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
::It is stated throughout ''Cryptum'' that the Halos can be fired individually. They can be fired with variable pulse radii, ranging from a single planet to a huge section of the galaxy. They can also be "tuned" to kill all life, as happened at Charum Hakkor, or only neurologically complex life, as happened during the final activation. The Ark could be thought of as an analogue to the [[Wikipedia:Cheyenne Mountain|Cheyenne Mountain Directorate]], from which the order can be given to launch all the United States' nukes; it is also the most advanced fallout bunker ever built. This mirrors the Ark's purpose both as a safe haven and as the control center for the entire array. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 11:35, 18 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::I have supplied relavant page sources on [[User:Forerunner/Useful Cryptum notes]]. -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 11:48, 18 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
== How Many? == | |||
:If I counted correctly it sounds like 18 original Halos were created, twelve which were supposed to be the Original Array and then six at the Ark. When rampant Mendicant Bias showed up he took control of four of them so he had control of five (including the one he was charged with) and then one of those was destroyed. The Forerunners tried to send the other seven to the Ark but only one made it leaving the four left that were controlled by Mendicant Bias, the one that made it through the portal safely and the six at the Ark. That one and the other six presumably became the New Array and the status of the renegade four is unknown. Finally with the creation of Installation 04(B) it appears that a total of 19 Halos were created by the Forerunners. Can anyone please confirm what I just said and can the overall total and status of them all be clearly marked on the page because that is the main reason why I am asking all of this. [[Special:Contributions/109.153.42.0|109.153.42.0]] 13:29, 5 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
The way I understand it, twelve were made originally, and five of those were commanded by Mendicant Bias during the Battle of the Capital. The remaining seven were destroyed except for the semi-damaged one that made it to the Ark. The six that were already at the Ark when it arrived were more recently made, and were explicitly intended to be a part of the actual Array of seven halos that we are all familiar with. This is all just my interpretation, though [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 14:15, 5 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I'm pretty sure you both are right, that's how I understand it as well. Though the problem with this is, what happened to the bigger 7th one that made it through? The six at the Ark were smaller (the ones we're familiar with), but the original 12 were much bigger, so one of the 7 in the array must be much bigger, even though in Legends it shows seven of the same size. I supposed it could be a retcon. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:49, 5 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Surprisingly, no. That legends episode was designed to remain canon despite errors - it's just what Cortana ''thinks'' happened. That's why she assumed that the Covenant and humans were working together to beat the flood.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 11:45, 18 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
==Megastructure== | |||
Can someone with the Essential Visual Guide add the Megastructure template instead of the Halo ring Template to all of the rings' pages? Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 08:30, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I actually first made the Megastructure template for constructs that are ''not'' Halo installations, and as such it's lacking some of the necessary fields that are only relevant with Halo rings, such as "Firing record". It could work as a universal template, though, if those fields are added. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:41, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I don't think it should go into that much detail. An infobox should only provide a very brief summary of the subject and nothing more/less.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 08:44, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::I guess so, though infoboxes can sometimes be useful to quickly convey information that isn't detailed in the article proper. Still, we don't know the firing records of most Halo installations so that field is ultimately inconsequential. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:52, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
==Terraforming== | |||
Why? I simply cannot se a reason to terraform them. I just don't get it. [[User talk:Infernal-Blaze|Infernal-Blaze]] 14:37, 10 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:It has already been explained. The Librarian and the Master Builder agreed to terraform the original Halos so that they could conduct research on the Flood's ability to harvest biomatter. That's why flora and fauna appear.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:00, 10 November 2011 (EST) | |||
== Diameter == | |||
Should there be a "Citation Needed" template after the diameter (located in the infobox) of each Halo's pages? (Installations [[Installation 01|01]], [[Installation 02|02]], [[Installation 03|03]], [[Installation 04|04]], [[Installation 05|05]], [[Installation 06|06]], [[Installation 07|07]]). Unless, of course, it's directly stated. The reason for this is that in ''Halo: Cryptum'', one of the seven original installations survived and became part of the present Halo Array. This surviving Halo had a diameter of 30,000 kilometers as opposed to the others having a diameter of only 10,000 kilometers. Keep in mind, I've never read ''Cryptum'', so I could be wrong. [[User:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ιι</span>]] [[User talk:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ηη</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ππ</span>]] 20:17, 5 December 2011 (EST) | |||
== Survival of organisms on the Ring == | |||
Primordium gives us a good deal of evidence that sentient life on the surface of an Installation survive the effects of the firing. Its mentioned a few times that humans were on Installation 07 prior to the test firing at Charum Hakkor, and during the firing in the San Shyuum system. We also know that Forerunners and Humans, as well as Flood forms, were on the ring when Mendicant Bias fires its weapon on the capital world. Everyone on 07 survives the Halo Effect. Do we think its possible that the rings themselves are shelters? The Librarian intended to use them as environments for cataloged species, it would not have been prudent to store life-forms on the ring if each firing killed the archived species. | |||
It radically alters our perception of the rings function if that is the case. | |||
[[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] ([[User talk:ProphetofTruth|talk]]) 00:29, 27 January 2013 (EST) | |||
:Well, that would certainly contradict with the ending of ''Halo 3'', where Master Chief fires the ring and then has to hurry to get off of it. Additionally, firing wouldn't kill the Flood at all if it didn't affect those on the ring, since they were all aboard. Certainly curious. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 00:35, 27 January 2013 (EST) | |||
::It would also contradict Halo CE and Halo 2, but it wouldn't be the first time. Perhaps they fled to escape the destruction of the ring? | |||
::I get the sense that they were originally meant to be crewed and used as... for lack of a better term... wildlife refuges... With each activation being meant to cleanse separate systems. The Forerunners on board would have to survive each activation to move the ring to the next infected area of space. The Didact locks portions of Installation 07 in stasis(like the time bubbles of Onyx?). Perhaps the rings could be locked down when they fired, and this was disabled for the ultimate use at the end of the war? Lots of ifs, ands or buts. But I'm certainly at a loss to explain it. [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] ([[User talk:ProphetofTruth|talk]]) 00:41, 27 January 2013 (EST) | |||
Figured out a possible reconciliation with ''Halo 3''; The intention was to destroy the Flood through the destruction of the Halo itself once Gravemind revealed he had teleported himself there, hence why they didn't bother waiting for the ring to finish building itself. There's a possible plot hole as to how the heroes knew the ring would be destroyed, but it's the most likely answer I can think of. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 01:59, 20 February 2013 (EST) | |||
== Info from Nightfall second story ONI: Unit 54 / Trade Barriers == | |||
In ONI: Unit 54, it explains that the biological/radiative agent used in the bomb in nightfall operated and inflicted injures in the same way the halo arrays do. This info should be added, but I am pretty sure it conflicts with existing info. Trade Barriers goes over the medical side of it a bit more. [[User:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwock xeno]] ([[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|talk]]) 20:43, 19 December 2014 (EST) | |||
:I'll have to rewatch the video to pin down the specifics, but thought the explanation was kind of bizarre—the Halo effect doesn't break down your DNA, much less a specific species' DNA, it obliterates all forms of nervous systems. It's always possible the human scientists responsible for the theory were mostly clueless about the way the Array works (I can't see it being exactly common knowledge). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:59, 21 December 2014 (EST) | |||
== New Information from 343 == | |||
While I was at PAX this year (2017), I visited 343 Industries. While there, one of the activities available was a presentation about the Halo Array. In that, we learned some interesting new info. The big thing is that the Installation number indicate the order in which the rings were constructed. Installation 01 was first, 02 was second, and so on. Installation 07, though constructed long before the other rings, gets the "07" designation because it was the 7th ring added to the Array. As such, Installations 04B and 04C are canonically Installations 08 and 09, respectively. | |||
This second bit of info I'll leave you all to decide what to do with, but internally, 343 refers to the original 12-ring Halo Array as the Senescent Array (from "senescence" meaning "the condition or process of deterioration with age") and the newer 7-ring Array as the Neoteric Array (neoteric meaning "new or modern; recent"). | |||
I'll be making a video on this soon if ya'll need a "source" to cite [[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 08:01, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Whoa, thanks! Weve never actually had any thhhing refer to "Installation 04B" have we?[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 09:33, 6 September 2017 (EDT)TheEld | |||
::Well there was the ''Halo Encyclopedia'' for the I04B. | |||
::2010 edition page 176 | |||
::2011 edition page 186 | |||
::But I think that might of been a case of them coping the wiki's. Regardless it wasnt based on nothing. -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 09:39, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::So at least for I08 we should keep the I04B as an ", otherwise known as '''Installation 04B''',". -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 09:42, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::I might recommend keeping that to trivia. The way it was presented, "04B" is, canonically, just Installation 08. "04B" was only brought up when noting that it's incorrect. Take that how you will. [[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 09:56, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::So, would you say that the name Installation 04B is still a recognised (albeit not 'correct') designation in-universe? Or is the 04B designation completely non-canon? | |||
:::::[[User:Dab1001|Dab1001]] ([[User talk:Dab1001|talk]]) 13:05, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::The name "Installation 04B" was actually one of the Encyclopedia's original ideas; we had called the page "Installation 04 (II)" at the time. Still, seeing as it's the Encyclopedia and 343i is pretty much disowning the info now, we can get rid of it. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 09:58, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:About the names for the two Halo Arrays: are they actual canonical names (i.e. that would be appropriate for page names), or just unofficial nicknames that 343 uses internally? | |||
:[[User:Dab1001|Dab1001]] ([[User talk:Dab1001|talk]]) 13:05, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Internal, so not canon at the moment. Just thought I'd include it, figure you guys could add it to the "trivia" section if nothing else. [[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 22:47, 6 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::So moving them may've been a bit premature. I think it's safer to use the designations we had as the main titles unless 343i chooses to make their internal names official. And "Installation 04B" is a fair bit more descriptive IMO than "Installation 08". --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 01:27, 7 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Installation 04B is canonically incorrect, though. Installation 08 is the official designation of the Halo 3 Halo ring, and 09 the designation of the HW2 ring. The numbers indicate the order in which they were constructed (with the exception of 07, as detailed above). [[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 09:34, 7 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::I guess it depends on whether 343i's internal (but formally unreleased) names qualify as canon superior to either edition of the Encyclopedia. I'm fully aware of the issues with that book, but as mentioned before, "Installation 04B" was actually a thing 343i themselves came up with, given that Halopedia used to call the page "Installation 04 (II)" before the Encyclopedia was released. If they want to retcon it, that's fine, though it's odd they wouldn't come out and do it officially in a CF, for instance. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::I literally got this information from Jeremy Patenaude, so yes, it's superior to the Encyclopedia. The Encyclopedia was mainly done by a third party. I'm sure they'll talk about this in an official capacity at some point, but when I asked Jeremy about that, he said "why don't you do it?". So here I am, doing it. [[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 17:24, 7 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::You sound like [[Mission Intel#Meridian Station|Priya Singh]]. But seriously, thanks for the info.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 17:36, 7 September 2017 (EDT)TheEld | |||
:::::::Okay, thanks. I was mainly worried about how committed 343i is to this - i.e. if it's just an interesting piece of trivia they ''might'' choose to expand on in the future, or something they're actually adamant on being canon. In light of this, I wonder how valid the rest of the Encyclopedia info should be held as. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 00:07, 8 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
(Indent reset) The Encyclopedia should still be treated canon unless another piece of Halo Media or 343i contradict it(Past, present, or future). This is one such case where 343i contradict it, thus we follow the new canon. -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 18:39, 16 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
=== Using this discussion as a citation === | |||
I think using a talk page discussion as a citation could set a bad precedent for future scenarios, and we should still push for a quote from 343i. ToaFreak, may I ask if you still plan on mentioning your discussion with Jeremy briefly in a future video? That would make for a better source than a talk page. Thanks![[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 22:20, 18 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:We've cited talk pages in the past in regards to [[User:ScaleMaster117|Stephen Loftus']] statements, but it's generally not the ideal solution. IMO, 343i are the ones setting a bad precedent here, limiting this clearly important canonical information to an exclusive event rather than include it in a Canon Fodder article or something like ''Warfleet''. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 11:00, 19 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::May I suggest a {{plain|[http://bfy.tw/E0qa nuclear option]}}: to consider ToaFreak's statement as hearsay unless shown to the contrary. It is unlike Stephen Loftus' situation cited above and resolves all issues. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:38, 19 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Guys, just go to Reddit. Grim explained all of this yesterday. Pretty sure Grim is a credible source.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2017 (EDT)TheEld | |||
:::::Yea here, https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/70wbxc/return_to_the_denomination_installation_04_b_c/dn6n4h7/ | |||
:::::Hope this helps.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 12:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::Still gonna recommend the nuclear option. Fans, be it the learned, the popular or the famous, are still just that, fans. Anyhow, that link would do good as a source. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:56, 19 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Thank you GrimBrotherOne on reddit! Appropriate citations have been made. And yeah, 343i really does need to make stuff like this more official.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 18:51, 19 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Gravity on the rings? == | |||
So I made an account based on one of my concerns. After watching a video on it by the game theorists i realised gravity on the halo rings cant possibly be by centripetal force by itself. Rotating 19 times wont work. So ive come to the conclusion that its both centripetal and something else generating gravity. link to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrLey-pX7Bc {{Unsigned|UnleadedCube}} | |||
:Makes sense to me. I've watched a similar video, and concluded that it must be a combination of centripetal force and artificial gravity(the c-force likely serves to simply remove some strain from the artificial gravity systems) or the Forerunners used tech beyond our understanding to negate the negative effects of c-force. That said, has it been said in any official sources? Or do we not need them, since the physics on the matter is solid? Also, please sign your comments.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 08:01, 26 December 2017 (EST)d9328 | |||
::I think the intent is that artificial gravity is at work. It's 0.992G according to the Halo Visual Guide. Cortana points out in The Fall of Reach (and again in The Flood) that Halo has a gravity field. Since it was noteworthy, that's where I'd say artificial is implied. Any mass exerts gravity and Cortana wouldn't call out that Mars, say, had a gravity field, but she makes a note of Halo having one.Keep in mind that Earth's gravitational influence is due to its mass. Although Halo is almost the diameter of Earth it is far less massive in the extreme, so mass alone couldn't account for Earth-normal gravity. The spin, as shown in Halo 1, rotates fully around every 34 minutes, 12 seconds. That's not enough to produce that value for gravity. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:17, 26 December 2017 (EST) | |||
:::The Forerunners do use Buffer fields (text link cause in this case I'd rather not create a link in a talk page https://www.halopedia.org/Buffer_field ) for Gravity. So its not out the question they are used on Halos. --[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 19:16, 26 December 2017 (EST) | |||
== Large Edits Needed Re: Installation 08's "firing" == | |||
Given things that we now know from both ''Hunters in the Dark'' and ''Halo Wars 2: Awakening The Nightmare'', I think this article (and possibly others) needs cleaned up quite a bit. Namely in that the fourth paragraph of the "Background" section states the following: ''"A replacement Halo for the destroyed Installation 04 was successfully activated outside of the galaxy, eliminating the Flood massed at Installation 00, but it was incomplete and thus not networked to the rest of the Array."'' Frankly, this should have never been written as such. The activation of Installation 08 was nowhere ''near'' "successful", and resulted in the ring tearing itself apart. We know that it did not successfully fire, as there was surviving fauna on the Ark Installation and John-117 wasn't dead. Neither did it eliminate the Flood, as that's not how the Halos work and High Charity was still a hive. As best can be told, I-08 ''attempted'' to fire, and when it did it resulted in catastrophic self-destruction.[[User:The Ragin Pagan|The Ragin Pagan]] ([[User talk:The Ragin Pagan|talk]]) 18:55, 11 January 2018 (EST) | |||