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This is probably a really obvious and irritating question, so sorry to disturb you. Thanks. [[User:81.151.247.65|81.151.247.65]] 18:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | This is probably a really obvious and irritating question, so sorry to disturb you. Thanks. [[User:81.151.247.65|81.151.247.65]] 18:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Because species such as the Humans and the covenants' multiple races were taken to the Ark, where they were kept safe. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[ | :Because species such as the Humans and the covenants' multiple races were taken to the Ark, where they were kept safe. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[halofanon:Category:ONI recon 111|<font color="light blue">Cadet</font>]] [[User:ONI recon 111|<font color="green">ONI recon 111</font>]] | </b>File:1227612553 First3.jpg|30px]]</span> 18:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
::The only question that leaves is, how did all the protected races get to their homeworlds, with no knowledge or memory of the Ark, without memory or knowledge of each other and no knowledge of the sentinels etc on the Ark? '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[ | ::The only question that leaves is, how did all the protected races get to their homeworlds, with no knowledge or memory of the Ark, without memory or knowledge of each other and no knowledge of the sentinels etc on the Ark? '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 18:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::We don't know yet. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | :::We don't know yet. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::::Aside from it taking plenty of time for live to evolve, if the Halos truly destroyed ALL life, there'd be nothing to evolve FROM. I suppose the only posibility is if a specimen was saved (Ark or Shield World) then rereleased back into the galaxy after they thought the Flood had starved to death. The specimen(s) then evolved into the creatures we know today. Also, I think it is possible if ALL life evolved from Forerunner and this is what happened: Flood fought Forerunner. Forerunner scared so Forerunner hide and Forerunner fire the Halos. Forerunne think Flood dead so Forerunner come out of Shield World. Idividual (groups of) Forerunner go to different planets and evolve/devolve from there to suit their new enviroments. (This may or may not be possible, I hadn't really thought it out fully.) One more thing, this one about Local Time. Local time may vary from Installation to Installation. This 'local time' may be the time of the system each Halo is in, based on it's orbit of a star or planet. The time may also vary due to the different sizes that the Halos have. Alternatively, the local time of all the Halos could be the same as it may refer to the ancient format which the Forerunner used. | :::::Aside from it taking plenty of time for live to evolve, if the Halos truly destroyed ALL life, there'd be nothing to evolve FROM. I suppose the only posibility is if a specimen was saved (Ark or Shield World) then rereleased back into the galaxy after they thought the Flood had starved to death. The specimen(s) then evolved into the creatures we know today. Also, I think it is possible if ALL life evolved from Forerunner and this is what happened: Flood fought Forerunner. Forerunner scared so Forerunner hide and Forerunner fire the Halos. Forerunne think Flood dead so Forerunner come out of Shield World. Idividual (groups of) Forerunner go to different planets and evolve/devolve from there to suit their new enviroments. (This may or may not be possible, I hadn't really thought it out fully.) One more thing, this one about Local Time. Local time may vary from Installation to Installation. This 'local time' may be the time of the system each Halo is in, based on it's orbit of a star or planet. The time may also vary due to the different sizes that the Halos have. Alternatively, the local time of all the Halos could be the same as it may refer to the ancient format which the Forerunner used. | ||
::::::Who says they had no memory? Mythology comes from somewhere - where there's smoke, there's fire. Flood myths are pretty common across all human-occupied continents, with most cultures and religions having them in some form - the earth gets scoured, with a few survivors who start again. In the Halo Universe, it may be a folktale memory of when the Forerunners saved them from The Flood, wiped the galaxy clean, and returned them to their planet to start again. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | ::::::Who says they had no memory? Mythology comes from somewhere - where there's smoke, there's fire. Flood myths are pretty common across all human-occupied continents, with most cultures and religions having them in some form - the earth gets scoured, with a few survivors who start again. In the Halo Universe, it may be a folktale memory of when the Forerunners saved them from The Flood, wiped the galaxy clean, and returned them to their planet to start again. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 02:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::I'd like to make reference to the terminals describing one of the forerunners finding earth. I'd also like to point out that any planet in a green zone with a stabilizing moon and a helathy organic soup can evolve life fairly quickly, within a few million years. Most flood Myths on earth come from actual water flooding, Bungie has used this as a metaphor to describe the parasite. The Ark's design may have been a failsafe against the flood, almost like a fallout shelter would be used next to a helipad. If you can't get the helicopter, use the shelter. Likely, The ray would effect The cerebral cortex, or the frontal lobe, which only occurs in species capable of becoming sentient. What happened to the forerunners is unknown, there is a good chance, that they simply all died. If they did change location or transcend their condition, Then they would've been fully capable of influencing evoltion to reproduce their species Cosmically. By planting and forming life on earth, they would've been able to re-create their own evolutionary history, creatures like the dimetrodon, mammals, and eventually lead up to human. They clearly exhibit the capability to do this, as noted by Catherine Halsey, Charting The events for the slipsace crystal, or john's own "luck."<br /> | :::::::I'd like to make reference to the terminals describing one of the forerunners finding earth. I'd also like to point out that any planet in a green zone with a stabilizing moon and a helathy organic soup can evolve life fairly quickly, within a few million years. Most flood Myths on earth come from actual water flooding, Bungie has used this as a metaphor to describe the parasite. The Ark's design may have been a failsafe against the flood, almost like a fallout shelter would be used next to a helipad. If you can't get the helicopter, use the shelter. Likely, The ray would effect The cerebral cortex, or the frontal lobe, which only occurs in species capable of becoming sentient. What happened to the forerunners is unknown, there is a good chance, that they simply all died. If they did change location or transcend their condition, Then they would've been fully capable of influencing evoltion to reproduce their species Cosmically. By planting and forming life on earth, they would've been able to re-create their own evolutionary history, creatures like the dimetrodon, mammals, and eventually lead up to human. They clearly exhibit the capability to do this, as noted by Catherine Halsey, Charting The events for the slipsace crystal, or john's own "luck."<br /> | ||
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I'm Greek, and I know my country's alphabet. - [[User:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">Μητσάρας</span>''']] [[User talk:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">κι όποιος</span>''']] [[Special:Contributions/JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">αντέξει</span>''']] File:1229655910-Th_master.jpg|20px]] | I'm Greek, and I know my country's alphabet. - [[User:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">Μητσάρας</span>''']] [[User talk:JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">κι όποιος</span>''']] [[Special:Contributions/JEA13|'''<span style="color:orange;">αντέξει</span>''']] File:1229655910-Th_master.jpg|20px]] | ||
:No, they shouldn't be named as that. The UNSC gave the greek letters. Installation 04 was encountered first, and is therefore Alpha Halo. I'm not sure how that works for Delta halo, as it was found second, and should be Beta, but we have currently listed them to how the Halo games have presented them, so therefore, canon. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[ | :No, they shouldn't be named as that. The UNSC gave the greek letters. Installation 04 was encountered first, and is therefore Alpha Halo. I'm not sure how that works for Delta halo, as it was found second, and should be Beta, but we have currently listed them to how the Halo games have presented them, so therefore, canon. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 21:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
*They're supposed to be wrong, thats how they are in the Halo universe. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | *They're supposed to be wrong, thats how they are in the Halo universe. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 21:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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So we have an inconsistency here: what do the Halos actually kill? Everything but the Flood, or everything and the Flood? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 05:58, September 20, 2009 (UTC) | So we have an inconsistency here: what do the Halos actually kill? Everything but the Flood, or everything and the Flood? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 05:58, September 20, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:While what you say is true, I believe I have some reasoning. Based on what the terminals and in game references say, the forerunners believed the flood to be more of a parasite, a disease. In this respect, it is highly likely that the forerunners did not think of the flood as a living being, and the term ''life'' is in fact referring to all highly sentient life, such as that of the Forerunners themselves. If the Halo Array kill everything with, say, a specific brainwave, then all highly sentient live would be killed, while the underdeveloped life like that of the Humans would still be alive. That way, since the flood kill things with a certain brainwave, their "food" would all be killed. The process of evolution could later develop said brainwave into Human life, making us susceptible to the flood. ~[[ | :While what you say is true, I believe I have some reasoning. Based on what the terminals and in game references say, the forerunners believed the flood to be more of a parasite, a disease. In this respect, it is highly likely that the forerunners did not think of the flood as a living being, and the term ''life'' is in fact referring to all highly sentient life, such as that of the Forerunners themselves. If the Halo Array kill everything with, say, a specific brainwave, then all highly sentient live would be killed, while the underdeveloped life like that of the Humans would still be alive. That way, since the flood kill things with a certain brainwave, their "food" would all be killed. The process of evolution could later develop said brainwave into Human life, making us susceptible to the flood. ~[[wikia:User:Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''Blade bane'''</font>]] ~ [[halowikia:Special: Contributions/Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''Anti-Vandal'''</font>]]~ 06:06, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane | ||
:I also think that the firing of the array might kill the hosts to the flood even if infected. If the flood is a parasite, it needs hosts, thus killing sentient life would kill the bodies the flood infest thus explaining what is mentioned in the terminals as Mendicant's ships being immobilized. The same was said about Offensive's fleet. Vessels strictly driven by pilots not the waring AI's were all lost when the rings fired. I imagine the little flood parasite crawling from the useless bodies after the firing and scurrying about looking for hosts. In a sense they were probably the only things to remain after all those years, which is why on Halo CE they burst from the containment rooms to infect you. The rings are said to kill only sentient life, man on earth wasn't around back then, and the most basic flood parasites are actually not intelligent thus they survived. But to kill those suckers you might have to kill all life which would be useless. Plants and small creatures that do not have (as Guilty spark puts it in Halo CE during the Library) Sufficient bio-mass necessary to sustain the flood would have to go too, leaving absolutely nothing. Imagine a galaxy with no life at all. How could you restart all that? What they did was basically do what Russia has done for many wars, abandon the towns being invaded and burn them to deny access to your enemy. It works. {{Unsigned|Hatchling001}} | :I also think that the firing of the array might kill the hosts to the flood even if infected. If the flood is a parasite, it needs hosts, thus killing sentient life would kill the bodies the flood infest thus explaining what is mentioned in the terminals as Mendicant's ships being immobilized. The same was said about Offensive's fleet. Vessels strictly driven by pilots not the waring AI's were all lost when the rings fired. I imagine the little flood parasite crawling from the useless bodies after the firing and scurrying about looking for hosts. In a sense they were probably the only things to remain after all those years, which is why on Halo CE they burst from the containment rooms to infect you. The rings are said to kill only sentient life, man on earth wasn't around back then, and the most basic flood parasites are actually not intelligent thus they survived. But to kill those suckers you might have to kill all life which would be useless. Plants and small creatures that do not have (as Guilty spark puts it in Halo CE during the Library) Sufficient bio-mass necessary to sustain the flood would have to go too, leaving absolutely nothing. Imagine a galaxy with no life at all. How could you restart all that? What they did was basically do what Russia has done for many wars, abandon the towns being invaded and burn them to deny access to your enemy. It works. {{Unsigned|Hatchling001}} | ||
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There seems to be several contradictions of the number of 'Halo' installations created. In Halo: Cryptum, it is stated that 12 were commissioned, and it can be assumed that the 5 that Mendicant Bias tried to control were destroyed, leaving the 7 from the games. However, when Bornstella reaches the Ark, he sees 6 rings that were above the ark, and learns that only 1 survived the transition from the capital to the Ark, meaning that there were 5 OTHER Halos that had been commissioned. Anyone have any explanations for this? [[User talk:Anriel|Anriel]] 02:15, 26 January 2011 (EST) | There seems to be several contradictions of the number of 'Halo' installations created. In Halo: Cryptum, it is stated that 12 were commissioned, and it can be assumed that the 5 that Mendicant Bias tried to control were destroyed, leaving the 7 from the games. However, when Bornstella reaches the Ark, he sees 6 rings that were above the ark, and learns that only 1 survived the transition from the capital to the Ark, meaning that there were 5 OTHER Halos that had been commissioned. Anyone have any explanations for this? [[User talk:Anriel|Anriel]] 02:15, 26 January 2011 (EST) | ||
:I got the impression that all seven of them came through the portal, but one of them was damaged from the transition. I'll have to go back to that section - if not, then the rest of the Halo's at the Capital were probably destroyed when Mendicant Bias fired his own. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :I got the impression that all seven of them came through the portal, but one of them was damaged from the transition. I'll have to go back to that section - if not, then the rest of the Halo's at the Capital were probably destroyed when Mendicant Bias fired his own. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:06, 26 January 2011 (EST) | ||
:: Hate to say it but you're wrong there were 18. Chapter 40 pg 329, final paragraph "I was looking upon another array of installations:six rings," Then again pg 335, second paragraph "In the battle of the capital, only on installation had survived the passage through the portal without breaking up." So we have Faber's 12 and the Librarian's 6. Of the 12 one makes it back, and that gives us the final seven. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:46, 23 February 2011 (EST) | :: Hate to say it but you're wrong there were 18. Chapter 40 pg 329, final paragraph "I was looking upon another array of installations:six rings," Then again pg 335, second paragraph "In the battle of the capital, only on installation had survived the passage through the portal without breaking up." So we have Faber's 12 and the Librarian's 6. Of the 12 one makes it back, and that gives us the final seven. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:46, 23 February 2011 (EST) | ||
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==Megastructure== | ==Megastructure== | ||
Can someone with the Essential Visual Guide add the Megastructure template instead of the Halo ring Template to all of the rings' pages? Vegerot goes RAWR! | Can someone with the Essential Visual Guide add the Megastructure template instead of the Halo ring Template to all of the rings' pages? Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 08:30, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
:I actually first made the Megastructure template for constructs that are ''not'' Halo installations, and as such it's lacking some of the necessary fields that are only relevant with Halo rings, such as "Firing record". It could work as a universal template, though, if those fields are added. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:41, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | :I actually first made the Megastructure template for constructs that are ''not'' Halo installations, and as such it's lacking some of the necessary fields that are only relevant with Halo rings, such as "Firing record". It could work as a universal template, though, if those fields are added. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:41, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
::I don't think it should go into that much detail. An infobox should only provide a very brief summary of the subject and nothing more/less.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 08:44, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | ::I don't think it should go into that much detail. An infobox should only provide a very brief summary of the subject and nothing more/less.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 08:44, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
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:::::::Thank you GrimBrotherOne on reddit! Appropriate citations have been made. And yeah, 343i really does need to make stuff like this more official.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 18:51, 19 September 2017 (EDT) | :::::::Thank you GrimBrotherOne on reddit! Appropriate citations have been made. And yeah, 343i really does need to make stuff like this more official.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 18:51, 19 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
== Gravity on the rings? == | |||
So I made an account based on one of my concerns. After watching a video on it by the game theorists i realised gravity on the halo rings cant possibly be by centripetal force by itself. Rotating 19 times wont work. So ive come to the conclusion that its both centripetal and something else generating gravity. link to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrLey-pX7Bc {{Unsigned|UnleadedCube}} | |||
:Makes sense to me. I've watched a similar video, and concluded that it must be a combination of centripetal force and artificial gravity(the c-force likely serves to simply remove some strain from the artificial gravity systems) or the Forerunners used tech beyond our understanding to negate the negative effects of c-force. That said, has it been said in any official sources? Or do we not need them, since the physics on the matter is solid? Also, please sign your comments.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 08:01, 26 December 2017 (EST)d9328 | |||
::I think the intent is that artificial gravity is at work. It's 0.992G according to the Halo Visual Guide. Cortana points out in The Fall of Reach (and again in The Flood) that Halo has a gravity field. Since it was noteworthy, that's where I'd say artificial is implied. Any mass exerts gravity and Cortana wouldn't call out that Mars, say, had a gravity field, but she makes a note of Halo having one.Keep in mind that Earth's gravitational influence is due to its mass. Although Halo is almost the diameter of Earth it is far less massive in the extreme, so mass alone couldn't account for Earth-normal gravity. The spin, as shown in Halo 1, rotates fully around every 34 minutes, 12 seconds. That's not enough to produce that value for gravity. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:17, 26 December 2017 (EST) | |||
:::The Forerunners do use Buffer fields (text link cause in this case I'd rather not create a link in a talk page https://www.halopedia.org/Buffer_field ) for Gravity. So its not out the question they are used on Halos. --[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 19:16, 26 December 2017 (EST) | |||
== Large Edits Needed Re: Installation 08's "firing" == | |||
Given things that we now know from both ''Hunters in the Dark'' and ''Halo Wars 2: Awakening The Nightmare'', I think this article (and possibly others) needs cleaned up quite a bit. Namely in that the fourth paragraph of the "Background" section states the following: ''"A replacement Halo for the destroyed Installation 04 was successfully activated outside of the galaxy, eliminating the Flood massed at Installation 00, but it was incomplete and thus not networked to the rest of the Array."'' Frankly, this should have never been written as such. The activation of Installation 08 was nowhere ''near'' "successful", and resulted in the ring tearing itself apart. We know that it did not successfully fire, as there was surviving fauna on the Ark Installation and John-117 wasn't dead. Neither did it eliminate the Flood, as that's not how the Halos work and High Charity was still a hive. As best can be told, I-08 ''attempted'' to fire, and when it did it resulted in catastrophic self-destruction.[[User:The Ragin Pagan|The Ragin Pagan]] ([[User talk:The Ragin Pagan|talk]]) 18:55, 11 January 2018 (EST) | |||