Talk:Technological Achievement Tiers

Brutes

I thought this was funny the first time I read my Beastiarum: on the note in Tier 4, it shows just how stupid the Brutes are. E93 02:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I seriously laughed out loud when I read that. Ah, the brutes... -- Couchpotato99 (talk) (contribs) 02:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Humans

What tier would humans be now in real life? I'm sure it's either 5 or 4 Voy101

4. —This unsigned comment was made by Sgt.johnson (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Actually, I'd say 5 (my own opinion). Thanks, UoH/Command Staff|General]] UserWiki:Simon_rjh|simon]] rjh 18:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I would agree. We haven't really left Earth yet, not to the degree described in the list. --Dragonclaws^(talk) 18:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Tier 4 would fit the time from now till around the begining of the Interplanetary War --MCDBBlits 00:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Tier 5 is where we are right now. And yes, we have left the Earth to a certain extent. We have already landed several people on the moon as well as sent probes and robots to other planets in our solar system. Plus, we have several people living in space on space stations like the International Space Station. I'm going to set it to Tier 5. General Heed 19:35, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Its tier four. It's only real requirement is being able to enter space. So whether we have colonies is irrelevent. Colonies and extra-solar travel is tier 3. In system colonies are likely late tier 4. But it has already stated we reached 4 in 1957 by entering space. Early tier 4 yes, but still Tier four.—This unsigned comment was made by 108.223.205.91 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

First of all please sign your posts. Second: It's tier 5. Tier 5 states that there may uccor manned space flight but on a smale scale, just like we have today --Toen6 (talk) 05:55, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

Copyright

Dear all,

We honestly do need to make sure that this isn't copying straight off of the Bestiarum. I don't have a copy, but this sounds line-by-line something from that handbook. Can anyone transform it into their own words? However, copying like this is expressly impermissible.

Regards,

RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 13:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Interstellar

Interstellar means between stars... Humanity in Halo thus would have reached this level by title... --Sierra 003 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

flood

What tier would the Flood be?, because they do not have advanced technology but they can travel between stars and possibly galaxies. Also they can almost completely change a sentient being's DNA which I think would fall under advancing intellegent life.

I don't think the Flood themselves count because they aren't actually a society. Every form of technology they've uitlized was always made by somebody else and they've never shown any sign of improvisation to it, a clear indicator of invention. That and their own sentience is also borrowed from those they kill. So the Flood can't be counted on this simply because they are not a society.Tuckerscreator 02:27, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

The concept of society is very loosely. Yanmee have a hive-like society, which can also be described as what the Flood have, yet they're concidered a society. And although it is true that the flood do not have the means themselves to travel across galaxies, they have learned that technology through absorption and then succesfully used it to move to the milky way galaxy. That they then lost it does not mean they never reached that state. They also can accelarate the evolution of sentient life, seeing themselves as the ultimate stage of evolution.--Thijsbos 04:55, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

0.0

At the very bottom of the page it says "Inter dimensional, 0.0" There is nothing under that category. Can we delete it? -- Heretic Havana

Never mind. Its gone. Thank you, whoever deleted it.-- Heretic Havana

Other Galaxy

According to the topic 'flood' above, the flood have no technological tier. Since they came from another galaxy though, would they not have infected a species that could travel between galaxies, i.e. a Tier 0 species? If that's true, then I think we should add that it was more than just the Precursors that reached Tier 0.--Full Metal Fan 03:15, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Direct Quote?

It these descriptions a quote from the Bestarium? Because I found I few things that I would like to edit. But if it's a quote, then I can't. Vegerot (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2011 (EDT)!!!!

Confusion between T4 & T5

I'm a bit confused. If someone could clarify this for me that would be much appreciated. I noticed that Tier 5 says "In-atmosphere craft are a hallmark, often leading to manned space flight, albeit in a short-scale". What does "...often leading to manned space flight, albeit in a short-scale" mean? Wouldn't this be a Tier 4 attribute? Or is that something that leads to T4?--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:50, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

The statement "...often leading to manned space flight, albeit in a short-scale" I think means that having in-atmosphere craft eventually leads to having short scale spacecraft, which is a Tier 4 trait. We had airplanes and airships before we started launching manned and un-manned spacecraft. When we started putting satellites and men into space would be when we entered Tier 4, the Space Age. Hope that answers it. :P--Spartacus ^{Talk • Contribs} 13:16, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

I think they're talking about less than inter-system space travel. The capability to go to a space station in planetary orbit or limited travel to your planet's moon but not to other planets in your star system. I interpret "small-scale" as 'travel' in this sense. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

Yes, we have to remember this is ostensibly what the Forerunner system labels as the "Space Age", and that's not necessarily the same meaning we currently apply to that term. We lack the context that comes from millennia of technological and social development, passing through the tiers nearly to the top, combined with observation of numerous other cultures going through similar paths. It makes sense that the Forerunners would consider the Space Age to begin once viable, widespread space travel has been achieved and has become an integral part of that civilization (like Halo universe humanity since the late 21st century with the colonization of the Sol system), not after the first experiment which might potentially end up leading nowhere. Even now, we obviously don't have mastery of space travel in the sense that even the smallest trip into space further than Earth orbit still takes years of planning, political will and gigantic amounts of money. And besides, if the Tier system considered the space age to have begun in 1957, the "Atomic Age" for us would've been only a few years long. Even looking at the descriptions for the different tiers, the fifth most closely applies to us right now (focusing on clean energy production, atomic energy for weapons, in-atmosphere craft are a hallmark, manned space flight in a short scale). Tier 4, on the other hand, describes space warfare which is still a long way off. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 01:03, 23 August 2013 (EDT)

"Tier 4 is often the final resting place for species intelligent enough to break free from their cradle's surface only to fill the gulf surrounding it with war." Underlined would indicate that the humans entered Tier 4/the space age in the 22nd century when war broke out throughout Sol. On a different topic, is the Bestiarum hosted on Waypoint the same as the Bestiarum in the H3LE? — subtank 01:23, 23 August 2013 (EDT)

That would make sense. In fact that's was what is was before but it was changed for some reason. And that's where the confusion started for me. I didn't bring it up til now. IMO the description for Tier 4 should be changed back to what is was before, although the description for Tier 5 should remain what it is now.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 04:25, 23 August 2013 (EDT)