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Mendicant Bias will have a hand in Halo 4 (don't deny there won't be a one, CLIFFHANGER ENDING!). His story in | Mendicant Bias will have a hand in Halo 4 (don't deny there won't be a one, CLIFFHANGER ENDING!). His story in the terminals reflects that of Durundal so i think his position may unfold later. This most likely isn't the last we've heard of him. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 00:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
:I don't think there will be a straight "Halo 4", but there certainly will be more Halo games. It makes sense that this mysterious character would be explored. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | :I don't think there will be a straight "Halo 4", but there certainly will be more Halo games. It makes sense that this mysterious character would be explored. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
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I think, then, that some changes should be made based on these meanings of the icons (Not Bias, Bias, and Not Rampant, respectively), but I'm not sure what those changes are. I guess a good starting point would be to rename [[:File:Mendicant Bias.svg]]; we need not rename [[:File:MendicantBias (Rampant).png]], as [[Talk:Main Page#Terminal Icons|it will (hopefully) be replaced with a suitable vectorized replacement]], which can be named appropriately. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | I think, then, that some changes should be made based on these meanings of the icons (Not Bias, Bias, and Not Rampant, respectively), but I'm not sure what those changes are. I guess a good starting point would be to rename [[:File:Mendicant Bias.svg]]; we need not rename [[:File:MendicantBias (Rampant).png]], as [[Talk:Main Page#Terminal Icons|it will (hopefully) be replaced with a suitable vectorized replacement]], which can be named appropriately. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 20:33, September 1, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I must amend my comment. I think that the first icon represents the Forerunners' central government, or some other official military organization. If that is the case, then it fits with the pattern -- the government may well be considered an "author". <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :I must amend my comment. I think that the first icon represents the Forerunners' central government, or some other official military organization. If that is the case, then it fits with the pattern -- the government may well be considered an "author". <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 00:20, September 3, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I don't think that is the meaning of these icons. The first stands for Mendicant and Mendicant only, it is his original icon. The second one stands for Rampant Mendicant and Rampant Mendicant only, it s his icon for when he became rampant. These two icons are used to stand for Mendicant's Redeming (as seen on the Article page).-annonomus September 14, 2009 | ::I don't think that is the meaning of these icons. The first stands for Mendicant and Mendicant only, it is his original icon. The second one stands for Rampant Mendicant and Rampant Mendicant only, it s his icon for when he became rampant. These two icons are used to stand for Mendicant's Redeming (as seen on the Article page).-annonomus September 14, 2009 | ||
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:::I must also point out that Mendicant Bias was ''not'' rampant during his communications with the Gravemind (where a blue version of Icon 2 was used). He had no delusions of god-like power and had no animosity toward the Forerunners. He was simply curious about what Gravy had to say. Only at the very end<sup>3</sup> of his talks with Gravy did Mendicant Bias become rampant; this is why his icon does not change in the Gravy conversations. And in Mendicant's final communication with the Forerunners, in which he reveals his rampancy, no icon is used at all. | :::I must also point out that Mendicant Bias was ''not'' rampant during his communications with the Gravemind (where a blue version of Icon 2 was used). He had no delusions of god-like power and had no animosity toward the Forerunners. He was simply curious about what Gravy had to say. Only at the very end<sup>3</sup> of his talks with Gravy did Mendicant Bias become rampant; this is why his icon does not change in the Gravy conversations. And in Mendicant's final communication with the Forerunners, in which he reveals his rampancy, no icon is used at all. | ||
:::Also, the article does not make any statements regarding the meanings of the icons; it only points out a similarity between one of Mendicant Bias's icons and the icon used by Offensive Bias. And if you think I'm wrong, check the Terminals yourself -- or save some time and check the [http://haloterms.bungie.org/ Interactive Terminal Archive] on HBO. | :::Also, the article does not make any statements regarding the meanings of the icons; it only points out a similarity between one of Mendicant Bias's icons and the icon used by Offensive Bias. And if you think I'm wrong, check the Terminals yourself -- or save some time and check the [http://haloterms.bungie.org/ Interactive Terminal Archive] on HBO. | ||
:::Oh, and you can leave a signature by typing <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. If you do that, it leaves your IP address, a date, ''and a time''. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :::Oh, and you can leave a signature by typing <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. If you do that, it leaves your IP address, a date, ''and a time''. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 22:01, September 14, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::<sup>1</sup> Terminal 1, Legendary: "The sacrifices they have chosen to make on behalf of their [brethren] fills me with pride." | :::<sup>1</sup> Terminal 1, Legendary: "The sacrifices they have chosen to make on behalf of their [brethren] fills me with pride." | ||
:::<sup>2</sup> Terminal 4: "//FLEET-WIDE MEMORANDUM 2/5" | :::<sup>2</sup> Terminal 4: "//FLEET-WIDE MEMORANDUM 2/5" | ||
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::::I have already looked at the terminals many times and all I'm saying is that I am just telling you the theory that I am sticking to.There is no reason to get upset. But I did say the third one, being Mendicant's Redeming icon. And I never said your theory was bad. Your theory is all right, but I am sticking to the other theory, ''AND'' I never said you wrong, you could have said this in a nice way. - annonomus 8:12 September 14, 2009 (UTC) | ::::I have already looked at the terminals many times and all I'm saying is that I am just telling you the theory that I am sticking to.There is no reason to get upset. But I did say the third one, being Mendicant's Redeming icon. And I never said your theory was bad. Your theory is all right, but I am sticking to the other theory, ''AND'' I never said you wrong, you could have said this in a nice way. - annonomus 8:12 September 14, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Actually, I wasn't really upset. It's just that almost every time that I criticize a theory or edit on a wiki, I end up using at least a semi-hostile tone. I have no idea why, and I often never notice it until I've already posted the comment. 0_o <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :::::Actually, I wasn't really upset. It's just that almost every time that I criticize a theory or edit on a wiki, I end up using at least a semi-hostile tone. I have no idea why, and I often never notice it until I've already posted the comment. 0_o <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 21:46, September 15, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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The presence, as we all know, was Mendicant Bias. It should be listed in the "Appearances" section of the article. [[User:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ιι</span>]] [[User talk:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ηη</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ππ</span>]] 19:08, 10 April 2012 (EDT) | The presence, as we all know, was Mendicant Bias. It should be listed in the "Appearances" section of the article. [[User:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ιι</span>]] [[User talk:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ηη</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ππ</span>]] 19:08, 10 April 2012 (EDT) | ||
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The Waypoint article on Bias and his cameo in the ''H2 Anniversary'' Terminals appear to have canonized the three-eyed design first seen in ''Origins''. Is it worth it, then, to make that be the page image for this article? For better or worse, it perhaps retcons the original one eyed description from ''Contact Harvest'', and the one-eyed look from Primordium could perhaps be explained as an old shell that was discarded for the three-eyed one after his exile on the Ark. | |||
I'm also curious about whether we should keep the "05-032" in the title of this article. In the fiction and in this wiki, he's rarely referred to by his full designation, as opposed to, say, 343 Guilty Spark. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 04:14, 27 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:While I personally prefer the abstract symbol as Bias' most representative image since a small metal bucket doesn't really do justice to a mind of the extent and complexity of a Contender ancilla, I can't deny that the three-eyed design has apparently become Mendicant's default or most recognizable "avatar". However, I generally hold that a mild contradiction (such as MB's teardrop casing) is not a retcon unless specifically stated to be one or unless the two versions cannot be reconciled in any way. In this case, the use of the three-eyed design in the H2A terminals may be a retcon, oversight or a conscious decision to use imagery familiar from ''Origins'' as a conceit of the visual medium, but it is not completely impossible to reconcile it with ''Contact Harvest''. Maybe the Covenant excavated the teardrop casing from that sarcophagus at some point between the taming of the Lekgolo and the dawn of the 9th Age of Reclamation? | |||
:As for getting rid of the "05-032", I'd be perfectly fine with that for the reasons presented (as well as consistency with the titling of [[Offensive Bias]]), though it should be noted that it's not forbidden nor in any way harmful to simply link the redirect [[Mendicant Bias]] wherever it's unnecessary to use the full designation (which is, admittedly, most of the time). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:27, 27 March 2015 (EDT) | |||