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All Sangheilli are technically Sepratists (Even Jul Mdama)

Every single Sangheili left the Covenant during the great schism. Weather they became part of Jul's Covenant Remnant or Arbiter's Swords of Sangheilios, all Sangheili ended up fighting against the Jiralhanae and San Shyuum during the great schism.

It would have been impossible for Sangheili to remain part of the Covenant Empire or Loyalists during the Great schism because if they had stayed, the Jiralhane would have massacared them. Truth ordered the Jiralhane to kill all the Sangheili, they were all ultimately forced out.

• "These events led the entire Sangheili species to secede from the Covenant, forming the Covenant Separatists, Led by Rtas 'Vadum and Thel 'Vadam." Sangheili
• "The resulting conflict would be called the Great Schism, and it would divide the Covenant into two, ultimately forcing the Sangheili out (of the Covenant)." https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/species/jiralhanae

Because of this, shouldn't there be a seperate article for Sepratists and Swords of Sangheilios? Because technically even Jul Mdama and the Sangheili in his neo covenant faction are sepratists from the original Covenant too.—This unsigned comment was made by Editorguy (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

I believe we have an article on all "Covenant separatists": Covenant remnants. —SPARTAN331 16:29, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

I don't think we have enough information to decide that. I find it highly likely that 'Mdama thinks that the Prophets were the ones to leave the Covenant, not the Sanghieli. It was the Prophets, after all who broke the "covenant" with the Elites. Declaring the Elites to be the one's who left the covenant is an arbitrary distinction made by a fan base. We have no real source for that. Thanks, --Weeping Angel (talk) 22:25, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

The Sangheili were kicked out, then the Elites rebelled.Alertfiend - Team Chief 22:35, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

The idea of the Elites being "separatists" is a misconception we've been perpetuating for years now. The term originally came from the problem of what to call them, and I vaguely remember it was inspired by the Separatists in Star Wars, for reasons that elude me. The Arbiter, in Halo 3, makes it explicitly clear that he still considers himself "Covenant," and that it's a war for control of its territory, materiel and people rather than a war of secession.

The idea that the Elites left the Covenant is another misconception that's been circulating for a long time - the Elite Councillors threatened to resign, in protest at the changing of the guard. They never got the chance. Post-war, it's clear that the Swords of Sanghelios is a different entity to the Covenant, in the same way that the Russian Federation is the successor state to the Soviet Union.

Both "Loyalist" and "Separatist" terms are misnomers, and I'd favour phasing them out of the wiki entirely. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 08:14, 12 October 2015 (EDT)

Really the only Seperatist things left are two files, [1] and [2] Alertfiend - Team Chief 09:20, 12 October 2015 (EDT)

Are we calling the group of Elites that left the Covenant during the Great Schism (All Elites) "Swords of Sangheilios"?

The whole "Separatist" name wasn't my question, and we kinda got off topic. My question is: because all Elites left the Covenant during the Great Schism, and Halopedia is calling this splinter group the Swords of Sanghelios, does that mean all Elites are technically Swords of Sanghelios (including Elites who started neo Covenants like Jul 'Mdama and Telcam?)? I think Halopedia is right because, when Truth started the Great Schism, it was all Elites and their followers against Truth, the Brutes, and their followers. Because all the Elites left the Covenant (or were forced out) during the Schism, that would include Jul' Mdama, Telcam, etc. So essentially the story is: All Elites leave the Covenant under the banner of Swords of Sanghelios. The Elites team up with humanity and win the war. After the war ends some of these Elites then leave the Swords of Sanghelios. These Elites who left the initial breakaway faction (Swords of Sanghelios) then proceed form their own factions such as Jul 'Mdama's Covenant. Is this correct or not?

All I know with certainty is that ALL Elites left the Covenant during the Great Schism. And even if some didn't want to leave and wanted to stay with Truth (for whatever crazy reason), they would have been killed as Truth ordered the Brutes to execute any Elite in sight. So the entirety of the Sangheili species was forced out of the Covenant when the Great Schism started following the Changing of the Guard.

• "These events led the entire Sangheili species to secede from the Covenant, forming the Swords of Sanghelios" source: Sangheili
• "The resulting conflict would be called the Great Schism, and it would divide the Covenant into two, ultimately forcing the Sangheili out (of the Covenant)." source: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/species/jiralhanae

Just checking to see if we are correct, not looking for an argument or anything. Editorguy (talk) 16:39, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

Member category

I'll make a category for members, but let's decide on the name now so we don't have to go through all these pages more than once. I was thinking "Swords of Sanghelios members". --NightHammer^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:58, 12 December 2015 (EST)

Sounds fine since we can't do Swords of Sanghelios.Sith Venator (Dank Memes) 00:08, 13 December 2015 (EST)

Alright, I'll just go with "Swords of Sanghelios members". --NightHammer^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:14, 13 December 2015 (EST)

Swords of Sanghelios ranks

Ok, I'm trying to reorganize the ranks section of this page as many of the ranks are merely held by those that sided with 'Vadum and the Arbiter during the Great Schism, but we have no proof that the Swords of Sanghelios continues to use those ranks after the war. See here. Any thoughts? --NightHammer^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:22, 13 December 2015 (EST)

I agree with you to an extent, but I think the ranks we have seen in 2/3 may continue to exist duo to the factions using both new and old Covenant equipment. High Councilor exist, I think, because it was clarified in a Canon Fodder that some living Councilors joined the SoS, so I'd say it needs to stay as well, since we never got clarification if they remained Councilors or not (note that the SoS also has a council, but of Kaidons). Heavy aren't SoS, and none of them helped the SoS during Halo 2 if I remember. Also, should we remove the Kig-Yar from the page? Those in Escalation weren't SoS, just Kig-Yar being shot by Jiralhanae. This was essentially the same mistake the Lydus' faction page made, say they were the ones using Choppers and killing Sangheili. - Draft227 14:20 22 December 2015 (EST)

I think we should remove the Kig-Yar, though I don't think it's safe to say that High Councilors are still a part of the SoS. Some of the Covenant's Councilors joined up with them, but they may have decided to take combat roles or civilian roles. It would be best to avoid speculation. --NightHammer^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:28, 22 December 2015 (EST)