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:::I know that it destroys the body, but didn't the Librarian say that the minds of the composed fracture to the point that they are a shell of their former selves? It would have been to the point that they could no longer be considered anything BUT a knight. Doesn't matter if they were Human when composed, they are, ignoring the pun, a machine when they come out. [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 23:55, 13 November 2012 (EST) | :::I know that it destroys the body, but didn't the Librarian say that the minds of the composed fracture to the point that they are a shell of their former selves? It would have been to the point that they could no longer be considered anything BUT a knight. Doesn't matter if they were Human when composed, they are, ignoring the pun, a machine when they come out. [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 23:55, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
::::I think the Librarian might've been leaving out facts or was exaggerating to make the threat of the Didact seem more pressing, because in ''The Forerunner Saga'', we have people processed by the Composer and they have mostly retained their identity and personality. Case in point, [[Forthencho]], who after 9,000 years of storage is implanted in [[Chakas]]' genetic material and seems to be fine for the most part aside from some expected disorientation. This even seems to negate the Librarian's claim that the Composed personalities couldn't be restored to biological form - the ''Forerunner Saga'' novels have her doing exactly this herself, storing the archived personalities in the humans on Earth. Not only that, but as seen with Chakas and Riser/Forthencho and Yprin Yprikushma, she could actually make the stored personalities control biological bodies. There is some evidence as to the Composer's detrimental effects, with 343 Guilty Spark who's clearly not entirely sane and even displays signs of the "fragmentation" mentioned by the Librarian, but that was after a hundred millennia of isolation. Perhaps the Didact just didn't know how to properly use the Composer or maybe that wasn't even his goal, but I don't think it's entirely far-fetched that the Librarian may have been coloring the truth to manipulate the Chief. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:21, 14 November 2012 (EST) | ::::I think the Librarian might've been leaving out facts or was exaggerating to make the threat of the Didact seem more pressing, because in ''The Forerunner Saga'', we have people processed by the Composer and they have mostly retained their identity and personality. Case in point, [[Forthencho]], who after 9,000 years of storage is implanted in [[Chakas]]' genetic material and seems to be fine for the most part aside from some expected disorientation. This even seems to negate the Librarian's claim that the Composed personalities couldn't be restored to biological form - the ''Forerunner Saga'' novels have her doing exactly this herself, storing the archived personalities in the humans on Earth. Not only that, but as seen with Chakas and Riser/Forthencho and Yprin Yprikushma, she could actually make the stored personalities control biological bodies. There is some evidence as to the Composer's detrimental effects, with 343 Guilty Spark who's clearly not entirely sane and even displays signs of the "fragmentation" mentioned by the Librarian, but that was after a hundred millennia of isolation. Perhaps the Didact just didn't know how to properly use the Composer or maybe that wasn't even his goal, but I don't think it's entirely far-fetched that the Librarian may have been coloring the truth to manipulate the Chief. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:21, 14 November 2012 (EST) | ||
::: In one of the terminal doesn't the Didact say that the Composer will not work on his new form? As for him falling into the Composer, I thought it was a slipspace portal, perhaps transporting him and what is left of Cortana to a forerunner planet or installation, where the Didact or forerunner machines could rpair and indoctrinate cortana for use against humanity? "[[User talk:IrrationalSound|IrrationalSound]] 10:09, 14 November 2012 (EST)" | |||
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Since the Didact apparently survived, it's quite possible that he could have snatched a fragment of Cortana away with him in order to gain some leverage over the Master Chief. Thoughts, anyone? - Sor 18:49, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- Cortana was already melting from rampancy. She'd be dead in a matter of days. What would he even do with a breaking AI? There'd be little point. And it's contested as to whether or not the Didact survived. Tuckerscreator(stalk) 19:06, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- There is a "log" at the beginning of mission two from Halsey, that speculated that she could exceed the seven year lifespan, due to the unique nature of her creation. There's also the enhancements the Librarian gave the Chief - we don't know that the Librarian didn't trigger something in Cortana while she was off having her own conversation with her. Lastly, there's the unusual nature of the Composer, storing organic matter virtually and restoring it like it did the Didact - who knows, the next time we see Cortana she might just have a real body? -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 19:36, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- Didn't the Composer essentially destroy the minds of those who were composed? Missing Mandible 21:09, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- There is a "log" at the beginning of mission two from Halsey, that speculated that she could exceed the seven year lifespan, due to the unique nature of her creation. There's also the enhancements the Librarian gave the Chief - we don't know that the Librarian didn't trigger something in Cortana while she was off having her own conversation with her. Lastly, there's the unusual nature of the Composer, storing organic matter virtually and restoring it like it did the Didact - who knows, the next time we see Cortana she might just have a real body? -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 19:36, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- I think she'll be back in the next game, but as a flashback, or a different Cortana model, like she said in the Composer level. File:Colonel Grade One.pngCol. Snipes450File:Colonel Grade One.png 23:07, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- Or maybe as hallucinations, like Cortana's moments in Halo 3 --Dr Mutran 23:09, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- I think she'll be back in the next game, but as a flashback, or a different Cortana model, like she said in the Composer level. File:Colonel Grade One.pngCol. Snipes450File:Colonel Grade One.png 23:07, 11 November 2012 (EST)
- "Didn't the Composer essentially destroy the minds of those who were composed?"
- — Missing Mandible
- Exactly the opposite. The Composer destroys everything BUT the mind. The scientists on Ivanoff Station were "composed", archives to be implanted in Promethean bodies. The same happened to the people hit in New Phoenix. Since the Didact fell into it, and Cortana "died" near it, there remains the possibility that they exist digitally somewhere, ready and waiting for new bodies in Halo 5 or 6. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 07:24, 12 November 2012 (EST)
- I know that it destroys the body, but didn't the Librarian say that the minds of the composed fracture to the point that they are a shell of their former selves? It would have been to the point that they could no longer be considered anything BUT a knight. Doesn't matter if they were Human when composed, they are, ignoring the pun, a machine when they come out. Missing Mandible 23:55, 13 November 2012 (EST)
- I think the Librarian might've been leaving out facts or was exaggerating to make the threat of the Didact seem more pressing, because in The Forerunner Saga, we have people processed by the Composer and they have mostly retained their identity and personality. Case in point, Forthencho, who after 9,000 years of storage is implanted in Chakas' genetic material and seems to be fine for the most part aside from some expected disorientation. This even seems to negate the Librarian's claim that the Composed personalities couldn't be restored to biological form - the Forerunner Saga novels have her doing exactly this herself, storing the archived personalities in the humans on Earth. Not only that, but as seen with Chakas and Riser/Forthencho and Yprin Yprikushma, she could actually make the stored personalities control biological bodies. There is some evidence as to the Composer's detrimental effects, with 343 Guilty Spark who's clearly not entirely sane and even displays signs of the "fragmentation" mentioned by the Librarian, but that was after a hundred millennia of isolation. Perhaps the Didact just didn't know how to properly use the Composer or maybe that wasn't even his goal, but I don't think it's entirely far-fetched that the Librarian may have been coloring the truth to manipulate the Chief. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 01:21, 14 November 2012 (EST)
- In one of the terminal doesn't the Didact say that the Composer will not work on his new form? As for him falling into the Composer, I thought it was a slipspace portal, perhaps transporting him and what is left of Cortana to a forerunner planet or installation, where the Didact or forerunner machines could rpair and indoctrinate cortana for use against humanity? "IrrationalSound 10:09, 14 November 2012 (EST)"
- I know that it destroys the body, but didn't the Librarian say that the minds of the composed fracture to the point that they are a shell of their former selves? It would have been to the point that they could no longer be considered anything BUT a knight. Doesn't matter if they were Human when composed, they are, ignoring the pun, a machine when they come out. Missing Mandible 23:55, 13 November 2012 (EST)
- Exactly the opposite. The Composer destroys everything BUT the mind. The scientists on Ivanoff Station were "composed", archives to be implanted in Promethean bodies. The same happened to the people hit in New Phoenix. Since the Didact fell into it, and Cortana "died" near it, there remains the possibility that they exist digitally somewhere, ready and waiting for new bodies in Halo 5 or 6. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 07:24, 12 November 2012 (EST)