Exalted Obliteration's board-to-board with Vegerot

Your, Flood=Precursor thing actually clears up a problem of mine. Basically, my problem was that the Flood --and their specific kind of parasitic nature-- would not be compatible with any kind of normal ecosystem. But if your Precursor theory is correct, than that would explain why.

But I just thought up of something. If the Flood are the Precursors. Then why did the Flood not instantaneously conquer the galaxy when the Precursors transformed themselves. Think about it. The Flood had billions, if not trillions (the Precursors were a large species) of solders, the best technology, and they were the top people in the galaxy. Why did they choose to leave the galaxy rather than take over and infect the galaxy? Now I think I might be taking a little bit of Mass Effect canon here. But maybe, The Flood/Precursors DID take over the galaxy. Then, after all life was infected, the Flood went into dark space (or a new galaxy) and waited for sentient life to re-evolve then they went back into the galaxy in the Magle-whatever clouds?

But there are some other problems too. Like, why be a parasite? A hive-mind I can understand, no war, no jealousy, etc. You can clearly see in Human Weakness that the Gravemind is parasite to the bone. But why did the Flood not try negotiation, talking to the Forerunners and the Humans? Instead engaging in hostile war? Shouldn't the Gravemind (maybe the reincarnation of the head Precursor?) have been polite? Instead of just MINDLESSLY attacking, contradicting the Mantle by not even giving a chance to "talk it out"? Also, back to what I said before about Intelligence. If Obama or somebody said that we need to completely transform our species to go to the next stage of Evolution, we would all be like, "Fuck no! You corrupted fool!" Just thought of something. Maybe the Flood was a civil war. An extremist faction (obviously they were a little "coo-coo") that thought that a hive-mind would be the ultimate manifestation of the Mantle. And a reformist (is that the right word?) faction that thought that that was crazy, and would be a contradiction of the Mantle. So they had a war; and the Extremist faction won, and etc. But again, why a PARASITE? Just a hive-mind I could understand. But why trying to achieve their means through war? Again, another reason why I suspect that it was a little "coo-coo" extremist faction that turned into the Flood.

But, this whole theory is under the assumption that YOUR theory about the Flood is correct in the first place. Because we can't just assume that the Flood are the Precursors or else we'll be very disappointed when Book II comes out.

P.S. Could I also have your opinion on the discrepancy between the Terminals and Halo: Cryptum. The Conversation is located on the Didact's page.

- Vegerot

(sorry on my multiple spelling errors, *facepalm* they're supposed to be, "then", "write", "I'm", "Human-SAN 'SHUUM-Forerunner-Flood War")

In response to your conversation with Braidenvl. But I always wondered when I read that book. "What could be so absolutely terrible that the people that learned about it would kill themselves rather than live with the fact?" One's first answer to that question is "Well, it's something so galaxy changing that they can't bear it." But I don't like that answer. Because think about it. Before the Human-Flood-Forerunner War, the Humans were equal to, if not MORE intelligent than humanity is today. So think about this, if YOU were those humans. What could you hear to make you want to kill yourself? Nothing. So, if the humans were more intelligent, that what would make them want to kill themselves? (I would right A LOT more about this, but I've in a hurry, so I got to just give you a brief summary)

P.S. Do you think it is purely the Didact's guilt that made him pick Humanity for the "reclaimer" candidate? Because, after reading Cryptum, it seems as though the San 'Shuum would be much better reclaimers. Because, I mean, if the San 'Shuum didn't evolve on a Forerunner planet (so they wouldn't have worshipped the Forerunners religiously) don't you think they would have been wiser than humanity? Actually wait a second, I just realized that the San 'Shuum were part of the Human-Forerunner-SAN 'SHUUM War. So that would make them equal candidates for Reclaimers.

P.P.S. Would you mind reading my Geas theory on the Geas page? I would like to hear your opinions on that.

                                                                          -Vegerot

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Vegerot. I'll definitely keep that thought in mind. Also, I'm glad to find another individual here much like myself.

Just a second ago, I finished sending a long, complicated post to Braidenvl, focusing mainly on the Flood and the subtler depths of its nature. In a nutshell, I described the Flood's ability to alter and control entire planetary biospheres, their secondary infection capabilities, and why they are so powerful.

One I suggested was that the Flood may well have been engineered or at least influenced by the Precursors, but not in the sense of them being some kind of weapon. I suggested that rather than that, the Flood were intended for a much more complicated and terrifying goal; the ultimate manifestation and culmination of the Mantle itself.

Why, you might be wondering, would that be? The idea is actually pretty straightforward. The Mantle is intended to bring about harmony, diversity, and well-balanced evolution of other species, which the Forerunners assume that they are doing. The Flood, if you put aside their consuming, parasitic nature, do provide such a process, even if it is internal rather than external.

They bring all those that they take into total harmony and peace, and unite them for a singular, all-encompassing goal. This process brings about a kind of peace that seems all but impossible for traditional sentient life, that of a true utopia; no want, no crime, no disease, no conflict, but pure bliss and happiness, alongside true unity.

In a perverse, horrifying way, the Flood are more than just a parasitic cataclysm; they are the living manifestation of a pure utopia.

And what could be more terrifying than a utopia that comes for you, seizes you, and suffocates you into total, mindless, deathly harmony?

Thank you for drastically improving the "The Flood" article. If it were my choice I would give you Halopedian of the month just for that! Also, I have had many of the same theories that you and Braidenvl had. I too, look at pictures and hyper analyze them, to find out more about Halo. So, the next time you come up with an idea; don't hesitate to put it on my talk page and we can discuss it.