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{{Welcome}}--<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 06:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
{{Welcome}}--<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 06:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


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==343's qoute==
==343's qoute==


It is a qoute. It is not to be changed. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font>]]File:ArmyJROTC.jpg|20 </b> 06:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
It is a qoute. It is not to be changed. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font>]][[Image:ArmyJROTC.jpg|20px]]</b> 06:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


== Addition ==
== Addition ==


Is my addition to [[Portal]] accurate? And what about [[Tsavo Highway|Tsavo Highway (Location)]]?
Is my addition to [[Portal]] accurate? And what about [[Tsavo Highway (Location)]]?
:Yes. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font>]]File:ArmyJROTC.jpg|20 </b> 06:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font>]][[Image:ArmyJROTC.jpg|20px]]</b> 06:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


Good, for future reference how do I identify a quote in an aticle, that shouldn't be edited?--[[User:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 21:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Good, for future reference how do I identify a quote in an aticle, that shouldn't be edited?--[[User:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 21:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
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==UNSC Organization==
==UNSC Organization==
It's mentioned in [[Contact Harvest]] that the UN still exists, so we don't know for sure if the UN was transformed into the UEG. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14  <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 20:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
It's mentioned in [[Contact Harvest]] that the UN still exists, so we don't know for sure if the UN was transformed into the UEG. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] [[Image:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 20:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


== Bloody Arrow ==
== Bloody Arrow ==
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What i said (Or meant) was that you reverted it before i could re-post it with different wordings. [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 22:59, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
What i said (Or meant) was that you reverted it before i could re-post it with different wordings. [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 22:59, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, alright. It just seemed as if you randomly removed a paragraph. Go ahead.--[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 23:28, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
== RE:Moving of the transcript of Long Night of Solace ==
Please cease and desist the moving of this page. It is unneeded and fine the way it is. Thanks. - SPARTAN-118
== New Page ==
Hi dude, I know you don't know me, but I need your opinion on my new page. [[User talk:XXSPeCiaL KiLaXx|XXSPeCiaL KiLaXx]] 00:53, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
:Sure
== Pillar of Autumn ==
Care to explain how I'm not being mature about my edits? The only thing I'm doing is reverting your edit. You may also explain why what ''you'' think is correct, and why what I think isn't.--'''<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Shade Link|<font color="Blue">Shade</font>]]</span>''' 19:49, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
:I reverted an incorrect edit, requesting an explanation in the edit summary, as no explanation was given for the incorrect edit. Rather than give an explanation for your reversion, which would have been the mature thing to do, you just fed my explanation request back to me like a dictaphone. [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 23:25, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
:The incorrect edit I'm refering to, is the structure diameter. [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 23:28, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I didn't send your request back to you. I asked you to explain, as well.--'''<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Shade Link|<font color="Blue">Shade</font>]]</span>''' 00:00, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
:There's a difference? [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 00:15, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. I simply wanted to know what happened. I hope we can settle this disagreement nicely (most of the disagreements I've had have resulted in the person I'm arguing with suddenly insulting me and trying to make me hated on ''this'' wiki)--'''<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Shade Link|<font color="Blue">Shade</font>]]</span>''' 00:37, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
:Seeing as how you're reasonable I'll give you some adivice: If, you think the edit is controvesial, bring it up in the respective talk page first, if there is no reply for at least two days then go ahead. If the edit is is not, then a simple edit summary would suffice. Edit summaries are more important when you're changing content rather than adding new content. [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 00:44, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
== Noble 6 Eulogy ==
On Catherine Halsey's page, you repeatedly revert edits to reflect your belief that Dr. Halsey is somehow physically present delivering a eulogy. Please go to the talk page and discuss this further before making any further edits on the subject.
'''[[User talk:Watemon|Watemon]] 22:58, November 19, 2010 (UTC)'''
I'm glad to see you're willing to make at least a few concessions giving your opinions on the matter, but you never took it to the talk page, a request I've repeatedly asked every time I've reverted the edits (by not just yourself). Ironically, when making the last revert, you yourself requested the discussion take place on the talk page, even though you never did so. Curious...
'''[[User talk:Watemon|Watemon]] 21:29, December 23, 2010 (UTC)'''
:My point of view:
:*The voice delivering the eulogy belongs to Halsey.
:*There is no proof that the eulogy was delivered at the date given.
:*The fact of the eulogy being delivered at all, indicates that Halsey must have escaped from Onyx at some point in time.
:Any other assumptions would be based of speculation. I wrote the paragraph to reflect these facts, but everytime someone rewrites the paragraph to include the incorrect assumptions. --[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 21:42, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
Even your assumptions here are speculation. Not that I don't agree they're simply more supported than some of the others, my problem is that they are assumptions that cannot be verified. You simply cannot say with any certainty that the closing monologue indicates Halsey has escaped from Onyx. No one can verify that Jen Taylor's voicing the closing monologue wasn't for more than dramatic effect.
My point of view: we know where Halsey is AFTER the events depicted in Reach, we can't verify that those details change by simple observation that her voice is behind the game's closing monologue (to say nothing of the fact it's 30+ years after Reach). It takes a mighty presumptive leap to suggest that means she escaped. I'm all for the trivia page saying she voiced the eulogy, but no presumption should be made as to whether that means she escaped Onyx or that it's even a recording.
'''[[User talk:Watemon|Watemon]] 22:38, December 23, 2010 (UTC)'''
:My point of view is not based on assumptions, but rather on inferences. We have no evidence to the contrary that the voice does not belong to Halsey, to suggest otherwise would be an incorrect assumption. If this is true then Halsey had to have escaped from Onyx in order to record/deliver the eulogy. Bungie clearly intended for the identity behind the voice to be easily recognised as belonging to Halsey. To cast doubt on the indetity would introduce opportunity for speculation. On occassions of lack of information, sources should be taken at face value, otherwise incorrect assumptions and speculation becomes rampant. [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 23:45, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
Inferences that are not direct observations. I'm not trying to cast doubt on the identity behind the voice, just pointing out that both presumptions are just as likely and just as unverifiable.
It '''is''' face value that the voice is Halsey's, it is '''NOT''' face value that it means Halsey has escaped Onyx in order to deliver a eulogy set 30+ years after the events of the game. It is an unsubstantiated presumption.
The trivia could read: ''"Dr. Halsey delivers the epilogue to Halo: Reach."'' There need not be mention of any speculation if it can't be substantiated. Except maybe to mention, ''"it cannot be certain whether this means she has indeed escaped Onyx."''
'''[[User talk:Watemon|Watemon]] 00:13, December 24, 2010 (UTC)'''
:No, I agree, no one can verify that Jen Taylor's voicing the closing monologue wasn't for more than dramatic effect, but we do not have evidence that the eulogy is non-canon. If it is canon, as is reasonable, then Bungie would not have chosen a voice that also belongs to Halsey ergo, it is most certain to be Halsey's identity behind the eulogy. She could not have delivered the eulogy from within Onyx, so she must have escaped anywhere within thirty years.
:For lack of evidence to the contrary, I am certain that the voice belongs to Halsey; in order to deliver a eulogy, Halsey must have escaped the confines Onyx within at most thirty years. If you agree over the identity behind the voice, but do not over Halsey's escape, then provide a logical explanation for how this paradox could be solved. --[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 01:36, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Allow me state once more that I am not doubting the identity behind the voice. Nor am I remotely suggesting the eulogy is "non-canon" (a ridiculous suggestion, considering the Bungie games hold primacy over the universe canon). Neither does identifying the character behind the voice certify that she "must have escaped".
:''"For lack of evidence to the contrary,..."''
The burden of proof that Halsey has escaped Onyx, lies with you. And just because it cannot be proved to the contrary either, does not make automatic proof that your claim is factual. I am only suggesting that until Bungie clarifies on the matter or until another book is written illustrating as such, Halsey's voice behind Reach's epilogue is '''not''' sufficient evidence that she has escaped Onyx. We do not ''see'' her deliver it, we do not ''see'' her on Reach in the closing image. It ''could'' be that her epilogue is presented as dramatic effect -- purely for the sake of the audience and for the sake of good storytelling. There is no evidence to prove ''either'', so in order for you to assert that she DID escape, you're the one that has to prove so. I don't have to prove how she couldn't have.
Again, my question '''is not''' whether she's the voice, and '''is not''' whether she got off Onyx, my problem '''IS''' that you cannot say with any degree of certainty -- based on what is given ''in the game'' -- that she is most certainly off Onyx.
However, I will concede to this statement:
''"Dr. Halsey delivers the epilogue to Halo: Reach. However, it cannot be certain whether this means she has indeed escaped Onyx."''
It says everything you want, without making any (as-of-yet) unfounded assertions.
'''[[User talk:Watemon|Watemon]] 02:10, December 24, 2010 (UTC)'''
:It seems to me as thought we're talking past each other.
:What I am saying, is that if the eulogy is canon as we agree, then it must have genuinely been delivered within the Halo universe thus, it could not have been for dramatic effect alone. If you suppose that Halsey has not escaped Onyx then there is a paradox: How could Halsey be aware of the outcome of the war if she is still confined to Onyx, unless you're suggesting that she can somehow communicate with the outside world from within Onyx? I am not asking you to prove your case; simply to explain away the paradox as I am confused. --[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 02:39, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Because you '''don't''' know that Halsey communicated to the outside world. You ''did not'' develop this game, so you cannot assert with ''any'' degree of authority what Bungie may or may not have done for purely dramatic effect.
As far as we know, Halsey's epilogue was only communicated to '''us''', the audience. We did not see any form of funeral service or public reception where Halsey delivered that speech. ''You'' cannot say with any certainty that the epilogue at the end of the game was delivered to any such audience, other than those playing the game.
Both likelihoods are equally possibly, and both equally unfounded by the actual events of the game.
'''[[User talk:Watemon|Watemon]] 03:06, December 24, 2010 (UTC)'''
:That does not fit the definition of canon, the characters within the Halo universe are not aware of the players thus, if it is canon, Halsey could not have addressed the player. --[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 03:25, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
*sigh*
This is all I'm saying:
:*You cannot say with any degree of certainty that Halsey is off Onyx, and her epilogue is not proof to that point.
:*You cannot say that '''BUNGIE''' didn't choose to use Halsey's voice to deliver their epilogue as purely dramatic effect (I am most certainly NOT suggesting she was actually speaking to the audience...)
As such, I agree to adding the following statement:
:''"Dr. Halsey delivers the epilogue to Halo: Reach. However, it cannot be certain whether this means she has indeed escaped Onyx."''
Key phrase: '''it cannot be certain'''.
The possibility may be there, and you may be able to logically ''presume'' as such, but it is unfounded by any demonstrable evidence, hence, for the purposes of the article, you can't make that claim (at least as a statement of fact).
:That sounds like a good resolution. --[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 04:53, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
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:I am completely at ease with the proposed deletions. Please continue. [[User:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] ([[User talk:Plasmic Physics|talk]]) 02:44, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

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