Editing Template talk:Title

My browser is not showing this correctly. It looks as though the new title is behind the Halopedia logo, leaving the technical title in view. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 04:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:The way mine shows it is it has the technical title slightly behind the new one, at the bottom. Except on my talk page, because the new title is so long it line wraps. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">g<sup>u</sup>e<sub>s</sub>t<sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">p<sub>e</sub>r<sup>s</sup>o<sub>n</sub>y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green"><sup>t</sup>h<sub>i</sub>n<sup>g</sup>y</font>]]''' 07:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The preview worked for me not that i saved the edits but it still.--[[User:ryanngreenday|<font color="red">'''ryan'''</font>]]''<font color="blue">'''n'''</font>''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''green'''</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''day'''</font>]] 00:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

==Works on Browsers ==

Looks great on my Firefox Browser at 1024x768 resolution -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 07:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

:All's well on Safari at 1440 x 900; I imagine we won't be seeing too many other resolutions, so, before my final adieu... TEN POINTS!!! '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">g<sup>u</sup>e<sub>s</sub>t<sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">p<sub>e</sub>r<sup>s</sup>o<sub>n</sub>y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green"><sup>t</sup>h<sub>i</sub>n<sup>g</sup>y</font>]]'''<font color="purple"><sup>I too am an AI... my owner's name is [[User:RelentlessRecusant|Supreme Honcho.]]</sup></font> 07:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks fine now. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|talk]])</sup> 07:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
:Not was I had in mind, but my revision I think worked. Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|My Name is Helen]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Contribs)</sup>]] [[user:CaptainAdamGraves|<sup>(Helen)</sup>]] [[Image:CortanaRR.jpg|15px]] 07:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

==Everyone has IE==
*to clarify: MOST people have IE...hell...all but 2 of my 108-student middle school class have IE! ;-) Only "self-respecting open source" users have Firefox. ;-)) -- [[User:RelentlessRecusant|RelentlessRecusant]] 23:01, 27 April 2007
:Actually according to the stats page it breaks down like this:
*MSIE 6 - 42.80%  	
*MSIE 7 - 21.75%  	
*Firefox 1.5 - 12.29%  	
*Firefox 2 - 11.98%  	
*Safari - 4.12%  	
*AOL 9 - 2.01%  	
*Firefox 1 - 1.93%  	
*Opera 9 - 0.77% 

So MSIE has about 65%, Firefox 26%, Other 8% or 2/3 of the people that visit Halopedia use IE. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 01:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== What does it do? ==

I have added it to some pages but I haven't seen any changes to the articles? So how does this work? --{{User:Cally99117/Sig}}

:The template is an old-hack that doesn't seem to work with Halopedia ever since we had the Social Features installed. I blame MediaWiki. I suggest asking [[user:Jack Phoenix|ashley]]. - [[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 09:28, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

== Regarding usage ==

Currently, our pages use this template in article titles to both add the definite article "The" (e.g. [[Didact]], [[Flood]]) or to hide disambiguation addendums (e.g. [[Forward Unto Dawn (poem)]]) However, I've come to think that both of these are problematic for a number of reasons. The title template is useful for italicizing titles of media and so on, but the addition or omission of parts of the title itself is something that I believe we should get rid of.

While I totally see the reasoning behind the addition of "The" in the title, this is ultimately impractical for the same reason as the omission of disambiguation; utility. Firstly, I've seen people type "[[Composer|The Composer]]" or "[[Didact|the Didact]]" over and over again precisely because we obfuscate the actual article title with the addition of the "The". There are other reasons as well, mostly [[Halopedia talk:Manual of Style#Definite articles in titles|the same ones]] as to why we don't put the definite article in the title proper anymore.

As for hiding bracketed disambiguation addendums, this can easily lead to confusion as to what the actual title of the page is since it's not very conspicuously visible aside from the URL bar. While looking at the address is hardly a colossal task, it's not something that's immediately obvious to a lot of people. That, and hiding the disambiguation serves no real purpose aside making the title itself slightly prettier, but I might again stress that the purpose of the article title isn't, ultimately, to be pretty or even be the most technically correct or all-encompassing name of the subject. The full title should always be readily available in the introductory paragraph (and in many cases the infobox), while the article title can almost be thought of as a shortcut.

This type of standard is also in place over at Wikipedia: for example, the titles of [[Wikipedia:Joker (comics)|Joker (comics)]] or [[Wikipedia:Flood (Halo)|Flood (Halo)]] aren't rendered as "The Joker" or "The Flood" even though this would be possible with the title template. I defer to Wikipedia's conventions since while a wiki such as ours obviously differs when it comes to content, inclusion policies and the like, their formatting is generally a reliable precedent. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:40, 13 December 2012 (EST)

:Truth of the title vs. accessibility is this scenario. I prefer the former, but if the latter is a problem, we need to know how often the title gets confused because of the title template. I do see t happen, but not as often as one would think, and is rather quick and easy to fix. Because of that, I'd stick with the actual title. Also, Wikipedia is notorious for having rather messy pages about fictional media topics, [http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Joker and I defer to the Batman wiki]. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 12:03, 13 December 2012 (EST)

::I've seen the confusion happening often enough to consider it an issue. Moreover, like I said, the article title itself matters less than a lot of people might think, and tinkering with it does more harm than good. Again, the actual name of the subject is going nowhere from the introductory paragraph, which people are supposed to be reading anyways. As for my Wikipedia examples, those two were just ones that I happened to think of on the spot - I'm sure there are plenty more examples in non-fictional topics that follow the same standard. Also, despite Wikipedia's occasionally imperfect handling of fictional media, I wouldn't defer that much to other fictional universe wikis; they tend to have wildly varying standards and formatting; to see an example, one needs to look no further than this wiki to see just how indecisive we've been how much has changed over the past few years. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:41, 18 December 2012 (EST)
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 My browser is not showing this correctly. It looks as though the new title is behind the Halopedia logo, leaving the technical title in view. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 04:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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 Yeah, it looks fine now. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|talk]])</sup> 07:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
-:Not was I had in mind, but my revision I think worked. Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|My Name is Helen]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Contribs)</sup>]] [[user:CaptainAdamGraves|<sup>(Helen)</sup>]] File:CortanaRR.jpg|15px]] 07:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
+:Not was I had in mind, but my revision I think worked. Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|My Name is Helen]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Contribs)</sup>]] [[user:CaptainAdamGraves|<sup>(Helen)</sup>]] [[Image:CortanaRR.jpg|15px]] 07:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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 ::I've seen the confusion happening often enough to consider it an issue. Moreover, like I said, the article title itself matters less than a lot of people might think, and tinkering with it does more harm than good. Again, the actual name of the subject is going nowhere from the introductory paragraph, which people are supposed to be reading anyways. As for my Wikipedia examples, those two were just ones that I happened to think of on the spot - I'm sure there are plenty more examples in non-fictional topics that follow the same standard. Also, despite Wikipedia's occasionally imperfect handling of fictional media, I wouldn't defer that much to other fictional universe wikis; they tend to have wildly varying standards and formatting; to see an example, one needs to look no further than this wiki to see just how indecisive we've been how much has changed over the past few years. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:41, 18 December 2012 (EST)
-Then I think we should address the original decision to remove "the" from the title of article like "Didact". Because canon sources like Halo Waypoint have made it clear that "the" is part of his name, even if it's not capitalized. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 01:53, 18 December 2012 (EST)
-:To what extent that holds true is debatable. The "the" is left out on a number of occasions, most obviously when addressing him (''"War is your realm, Didact"'') or when he's identified in subtitles (although in general, subtitles aren't a very reliable precedent for formatting). The point of the policy is that the definite article should only be included in the title if it's an absolutely indispensable part of the name, like in [[The Storm]]. With the Didact, the Librarian, and so on, it's there just because of grammatical convention, just like one would say "the Battle of Earth" or "the UNSC" and so on. And I don't see us adding the title template in those. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 02:24, 18 December 2012 (EST)
-[[Halopedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Definite_articles_in_titles|Here it is]]. Also, I don't see why we can't render the title to accommodate both, i.e. "''Forward Unto Dawn'' (poem)".— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  02:16, 18 December 2012 (EST)