Editing Talk:Yasmine Zaman

The Spartan article says shes a Spartan-III but this article says shes a Spartan-II.--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 18:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

it has to be spartan-iii, spartan-iis were already fighting and dying in 2537.[[User:CaptJim|CaptJim]] 17:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
: Do the years match up exactly with those given for the S-III augmentations in ''[[Ghosts of Onyx]]'', though? Also, I'm pretty sure that there's a part in [[Ghosts of Onyx]] (at least the 1st edition) that says there were no augmentation casualties among the Spartan IIIs; but that passage can probably be considered non-canon without impacting the rest of the novel. --[[User:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 04:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

::She's a SPARTAN-II. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Red">The Sarge</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">My Comm Line</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">What I've done</font>]]</sub></b> 23:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It's quite an issue. There was ''no'' SPARTAN-II Class II. Almost immediately after the SPARTAN-IIs graduated, Ackerson had all of Halsey's funds pulled and began work on the SPARTAN-III group. And the dates from ilovebees for Yasmine do match up with the SPARTAN-IIIs. If I recall correctly, she matches perfectly with the Beta Company of the SPARTAN-IIIs. Now, we know that there were no augmentation deaths in Alpha Company, but we know very little about Beta Company. Perhaps there was one death in Beta company? The point stands, Yasmine can't be a SPARTAN-II.
:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">Master Gunnery Sergeant</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<font color="green">Hank J Wimbleton IV</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">COM</font>]]</sup>''' 01:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

:I will agree that it's not quite canon, but it is the official info. Yasmine ''was'' a SPARTAN-II, just not in the official storyline. This is the ilovebees/Dead or Alive storyline, which has been integrated somewhat into the official storyline in that the assassination of ILB character Herzog was mentioned in the Halo Graphic Novel as a canon incident. It's a weird incongruity that needs description within the articles, and shouldn't be glazed over with fanfiction descriptions of second classes nor should the article subjects be eliminated entirely from Halopedia. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, Yasmine was a Spartan-II as far as ILB is concerned.  However, this is only because ILB was released before Ghosts Of Onyx and the writers had no knowledge of the Spartan-III program.  Otherwise, she would have been a Spartan-III since, as Master Gunns mentioned, there officially was no second class of Spartan-II's. --[[User talk:Mayhemm|Mayhemm]] 02:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

:::I believe the novels are more dominant than ILB if you're referring to the canon issue. This is also due tot he fact that the novels provide more in-depth description and information for users/readers to analyse rather than the ILB itself (In which became a dead end website).[[User Talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#4B5320">R</font>]][[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#355E3B">C</font>]] 21:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Besides, typos have been known to appear. No author is perfect, and ilovebees is certainly not exempt from this. For all we know, it was originally intended to be read as SPARTAN-III in the script, but one of those pesky I's was left off and the voice actor assumed there was no typo, since it made some sense in context. However, no matter how you spin it, there was no SPARTAN-II Class 2. Simply didn't exist. Also, as far as I'm concerned, Nicole-458 is not canon. She's just an excuse for another game to cash in on Halo, much like how the newer Soul Caliber features characters from Star Wars.
:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">Master Gunnery Sergeant</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<font color="green">Hank J Wimbleton IV</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">COM</font>]]</sup>''' 07:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:Okay, Nicole is not canon and neither is Yasmine quite. However, it is official ILB info. ILB is not quite canon all in all, but it is notable enough for it and its characters to be given Halopedia articles. This does not mean, however, that we should apply fanfiction to try to make it canon like taking scissors to a jigsaw piece from another puzzle. As far as ''ILB canon'' (independent from overall Halo canon) is concerned, she is a Spartan-II. Don't just say "well, they could have ''meant'' to write ''Spartan-III''". For all means, edit it to make it clear that it isn't canon - I've made a template just for that ([[Template:Notcanon]]) - and make sure the "class" stuff isn't in the other articles, but the second class of Spartan-IIs does exist within the ILB storyline. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 07:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

==Canon==
If Yasmine has been adopted as canon by Bungie, the article should most prominently display her retconned characteristics. It should also, however, accurately describe the character as depicted in ilovebees. I don't have the Halo Encyclopedia, or I'd attempt changes myself. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:03, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
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 It's quite an issue. There was ''no'' SPARTAN-II Class II. Almost immediately after the SPARTAN-IIs graduated, Ackerson had all of Halsey's funds pulled and began work on the SPARTAN-III group. And the dates from ilovebees for Yasmine do match up with the SPARTAN-IIIs. If I recall correctly, she matches perfectly with the Beta Company of the SPARTAN-IIIs. Now, we know that there were no augmentation deaths in Alpha Company, but we know very little about Beta Company. Perhaps there was one death in Beta company? The point stands, Yasmine can't be a SPARTAN-II.
-:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">Master Gunnery Sergeant</font>]] [[halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<font color="green">Hank J Wimbleton IV</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">COM</font>]]</sup>''' 01:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
+:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">Master Gunnery Sergeant</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<font color="green">Hank J Wimbleton IV</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">COM</font>]]</sup>''' 01:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 :I will agree that it's not quite canon, but it is the official info. Yasmine ''was'' a SPARTAN-II, just not in the official storyline. This is the ilovebees/Dead or Alive storyline, which has been integrated somewhat into the official storyline in that the assassination of ILB character Herzog was mentioned in the Halo Graphic Novel as a canon incident. It's a weird incongruity that needs description within the articles, and shouldn't be glazed over with fanfiction descriptions of second classes nor should the article subjects be eliminated entirely from Halopedia. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
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 Besides, typos have been known to appear. No author is perfect, and ilovebees is certainly not exempt from this. For all we know, it was originally intended to be read as SPARTAN-III in the script, but one of those pesky I's was left off and the voice actor assumed there was no typo, since it made some sense in context. However, no matter how you spin it, there was no SPARTAN-II Class 2. Simply didn't exist. Also, as far as I'm concerned, Nicole-458 is not canon. She's just an excuse for another game to cash in on Halo, much like how the newer Soul Caliber features characters from Star Wars.
-:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">Master Gunnery Sergeant</font>]] [[halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<font color="green">Hank J Wimbleton IV</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">COM</font>]]</sup>''' 07:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
+:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">Master Gunnery Sergeant</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<font color="green">Hank J Wimbleton IV</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|<font color="green">COM</font>]]</sup>''' 07:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
-:Okay, Nicole is not canon and neither is Yasmine quite. However, it is official ILB info. ILB is not quite canon all in all, but it is notable enough for it and its characters to be given Halopedia articles. This does not mean, however, that we should apply fanfiction to try to make it canon like taking scissors to a jigsaw piece from another puzzle. As far as ''ILB canon'' (independent from overall Halo canon) is concerned, she is a Spartan-II. Don't just say "well, they could have ''meant'' to write ''Spartan-III''". For all means, edit it to make it clear that it isn't canon - I've made a template just for that (Template:Notcanon) - and make sure the "class" stuff isn't in the other articles, but the second class of Spartan-IIs does exist within the ILB storyline. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 07:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
+:Okay, Nicole is not canon and neither is Yasmine quite. However, it is official ILB info. ILB is not quite canon all in all, but it is notable enough for it and its characters to be given Halopedia articles. This does not mean, however, that we should apply fanfiction to try to make it canon like taking scissors to a jigsaw piece from another puzzle. As far as ''ILB canon'' (independent from overall Halo canon) is concerned, she is a Spartan-II. Don't just say "well, they could have ''meant'' to write ''Spartan-III''". For all means, edit it to make it clear that it isn't canon - I've made a template just for that ([[Template:Notcanon]]) - and make sure the "class" stuff isn't in the other articles, but the second class of Spartan-IIs does exist within the ILB storyline. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 07:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 ==Canon==
 If Yasmine has been adopted as canon by Bungie, the article should most prominently display her retconned characteristics. It should also, however, accurately describe the character as depicted in ilovebees. I don't have the Halo Encyclopedia, or I'd attempt changes myself. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:03, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
-:Changes have been attempted by myself, but one user, who I will let you discover from the article history, sees the Encyclopedia as non canon. We came to a middle ground, but she does need revision wiht the info in the Encyclopedia. {{Unsigned|Spartan999}}
-::I think part of the problem is misunderstanding of the term "washing out". In usual uses it just means dropped out, but in the Spartan program they used it as a euphemism for the augmentations going horribly wrong. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:18, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
-:::I would assume it's because of the '''Catalytic thyroid implant''' where if failed, the growth of skeletal and muscle tissues would be uncontrollable, thus causing the skin to tear apart.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 18:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
-Yasmine was abducted in 2537, the same year as the Beta Company inauguration and she died in 2545 during Augmentation, which was 'immediately after training' according to the letter between LTCDR. Kurt Ambrose and SCPO. Franklin Mendez found here: http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=24530
-Additionally, the date of the letter is 2545.  The Augmentation could have occurred during the same year.  2537-2545 is 6 years, the exact same amount of time it took to train Alpha Company.  Someone should ask a bungie-person if she is canonically an SIII washout, because all the facts point to that.  [[User talk:Rimnek 015|Rimnek 015]] 07:07, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
-:::: More than likely, there was a second class of Spartan-IIs in training. However, it is very likely that they were unable to finish enough of them to be ready for combat. Spartan-IIs were expensive, so they likely had few candidates to begin with. It's very possible that none of the second class made it through augmentation.--[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 16:31, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Actually, the S-II training costed about the same as the S-III training. The drugs were highly experimental and thus thus expensive, while the development of MJOLNIR mark IV took up most of the budget.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:40, September 3, 2010 (UTC)