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| I saw this on Discovery Channel during some special or something, but I remember that, in a worldd with more gravity, flight would be easier because the air would be thicker, so that it was eaier to stay in the air. To get it the air in the first place, all it would take would be a jump off a tree.--Combak '''''[[User:Combak|page]]/[[Special:Contributions/Combak|contribs]]''''' 01:11, April 20, 2010 (UTC) (Sorry, to talk to me us the Dan-Ball Wiki.)
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| : Absolutely not. The increased force of gravity means that more force is required to be exerted by the Drone in flight. COD}}
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| Discovery Channel > Guy with fancy name --[[User:Delta1138|Delta1138]] [[User_talk:Delta1138|SnooPING AS usual I see]] 12:15, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
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| What I found out with unlimited camo those things on their butts ocasionally move around.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 00:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | | What I found out with unlimited camo those things on their butts ocasionally move around.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 00:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
| :Yeah, I noticed that. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 00:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC) | | :Yeah, I noticed that. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 00:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
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| Yeah it helped to be invisable because that way I could get a better look, and I think it looks weird.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 22:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC) | | Yeah it helped to be invisable because that way I could get a better look, and I think it looks weird.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 22:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
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| ==Survive in Space==
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| How can Drones survive in outer space? Nothing, even with an insect anatomy, can survive in space.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 16:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC) | | How can Drones survive in outer space? Nothing, even with an insect anatomy, can survive in space.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 16:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Actually, it's quite possible to have living things in space. You'd just have to be adapted to the complete lack of atmosphere--perhaps the yanme'e can balance their internal pressure to keep their important bits from rupturing? Insects are already highly resilient towards radiation, perhaps the yanme'e are even moreso, letting them handle the intense background radiation of nude space. They are some biologically tough mike foxtrots, it seems... well, except against small, high-velocity lead projectiles. [[User:Kriegsaffe No. 9|Kriegsaffe No. 9]] 12:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC) | | Actually, it's quite possible to have living things in space. You'd just have to be adapted to the complete lack of atmosphere--perhaps the yanme'e can balance their internal pressure to keep their important bits from rupturing? Insects are already highly resilient towards radiation, perhaps the yanme'e are even moreso, letting them handle the intense background radiation of nude space. They are some biologically tough mike foxtrots, it seems... well, except against small, high-velocity lead projectiles. [[User:Kriegsaffe No. 9|Kriegsaffe No. 9]] 12:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| That's true. In fact many insects can survive in total vacuum for quite some time. Besides humans can survive naked in the vacuum of space for about 3 minutes. Despite what you see in the movies, you would not explode.--[[User talk:SimK81|SimK81]] 00:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC) | | That's true. In fact many insects can survive in total vacuum for quite some time. Besides humans can survive naked in the vacuum of space for about 3 minutes. Despite what you see in the movies, you would not explode.--[[User talk:SimK81|SimK81]] 00:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| You may not, but the idea is not without scientific merit. Humans evolved with a mechanism for keeping from being crushed by the air pressure of Earth's atmosphere; fluid pressure from within the body. The bodily fluids within humans are a counterbalance to the air pressure of the atmosphere. In nude space, without the air pressure of an atmosphere to counter it, this internal pressure would cause the human body to balloon to about twice its normal size. If humanity had evolved on a planet with stronger atmoshperic pressure (thus necessitating stronger internal pressure to counterbalance it), it isn't illogical to assume a human's body would have popped like a balloon when exposed to nude space. SPARTAN15, currently unable to log in. | | You may not, but the idea is not without scientific merit. Humans evolved with a mechanism for keeping from being crushed by the air pressure of Earth's atmosphere; fluid pressure from within the body. The bodily fluids within humans are a counterbalance to the air pressure of the atmosphere. In nude space, without the air pressure of an atmosphere to counter it, this internal pressure would cause the human body to balloon to about twice its normal size. If humanity had evolved on a planet with stronger atmoshperic pressure (thus necessitating stronger internal pressure to counterbalance it), it isn't illogical to assume a human's body would have popped like a balloon when exposed to nude space. SPARTAN15, currently unable to log in. |
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| Well, yanme'e are in Tier 2 in the Forerunner Technological Advancement Scale, so maybe they made a space suit...? [[User:PsychoThunder|PsychoThunder]] | | Well, yanme'e are in Tier 2 in the Forerunner Technological Advancement Scale, so maybe they made a space suit...? [[User:PsychoThunder|PsychoThunder]] |
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| They are adopted Tier 2, which means that they are only Tier 2 because of their induction into the Covenant. COD}}
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| Sorry to ask and feel like a noob but when are drones found in space i can't find a source anywhere? Can they fight in space and if so how do they move? [[User talk:RussellofSwinhart|RussellofSwinhart]] 00:11, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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| Plasma Pistols, and needlers. [[User talk:BrChamp|BrChamp]] 00:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC) | | Plasma Pistols, and needlers. [[User talk:BrChamp|BrChamp]] 00:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| Angry Plasma Rifles (lol) in ODST - Orangeyellowbluething (Not going to use the four tildes, 'cos then my text is in an annoying box. Sorry for any inconvenience)
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| : I don't think their natural. But I do think they are anti_grav generators. Because if they werent they couldn't fly in space because there wings cant push off anything. The pods let them move. | | : I don't think their natural. But I do think they are anti_grav generators. Because if they werent they couldn't fly in space because there wings cant push off anything. The pods let them move. |
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| Mayhaps it is a shield generator to provide a 'enviroment suit' without hampering their movement. However, I do like the manuevering thrusters idea better. | | Mayhaps it is a shield generator to provide a 'enviroment suit' without hampering their movement. However, I do like the manuevering thrusters idea better. |
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| I think they are anti-grav generaters, becuase i have seen similar shapes on the bootom of Ghosts. PsychoThunder | | I think they are anti-grav generaters, becuase i have seen similar shapes on the bootom of Ghosts. [[PsychoThunder|PsychoThunder]] |
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| I read a theory about the drones originating from one of Palamok's moons and then developing the technology to migrate to the actual planet. Those devises covering the drones exoskeleton could be anti-gravity generators originately built to help the drones survive on a planet with more gravity than their own. This theory also makes sense because the drones are flying insectoid creatures and Palamok has a very high gravity which would make flight somewhat difficult. It would make more sense if the drones originated from a planet with little gravity where flight would be achieved easily.([[User talk:Drone232|Drone232]] 13:19, October 30, 2009 (UTC)) | | I read a theory about the drones originating from one of Palamok's moons and then developing the technology to migrate to the actual planet. Those devises covering the drones exoskeleton could be anti-gravity generators originately built to help the drones survive on a planet with more gravity than their own. This theory also makes sense because the drones are flying insectoid creatures and Palamok has a very high gravity which would make flight somewhat difficult. It would make more sense if the drones originated from a planet with little gravity where flight would be achieved easily.([[User talk:Drone232|Drone232]] 13:19, October 30, 2009 (UTC)) |
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| It's a gravity modifer. The fist of rukt has them on it also. [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 21:11, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| == HALO 3 DRONES!!! == | | == HALO 3 DRONES!!! == |
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| In the [[Spartan Laser]] article, it says not to use it against [[Grunts]] and DRONES!!! Everyone kind of knew they'd be back, but its nice to hear it straight from the Bungie's mouth. -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 00:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC) | | In the [[Spartan Laser]] article, it says not to use it against [[Grunts]] and DRONES!!! Everyone kind of knew they'd be back, but its nice to hear it straight from the Bungie's mouth. -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 00:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
| :Well of course they'll be back. Every race in Halo 2 will probably return. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front <font color="000000">(shockfront)</font>]</sup></b> 17:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC) | | :Well of course they'll be back. Every race in Halo 2 will probably return. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 17:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| it's different in Halo 2 and Halo 3, which I find strange. | | it's different in Halo 2 and Halo 3, which I find strange. |
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| Sign your posts.
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| Mashed Potato blood. --[[User:Delta1138|Delta1138]] [[User_talk:Delta1138|SnooPING AS usual I see]] 12:18, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
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| == Thoughts on the new look. == | | == Thoughts on the new look. == |
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| Just from the screenshot posted as the specie illustration, the new Drone looks much stubbier and Gruntlike. I think I prefer the original version, although I'm eager to hear their new speech patterns. [[User:Kriegsaffe No. 9|Kriegsaffe No. 9]] 12:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC) | | Just from the screenshot posted as the specie illustration, the new Drone looks much stubbier and Gruntlike. I think I prefer the original version, although I'm eager to hear their new speech patterns. [[User:Kriegsaffe No. 9|Kriegsaffe No. 9]] 12:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| I personally ''like'' the new the new Drone look. It looks more scary and alien, and less hyper-evolved praying-mantis. [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 02:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | | I personally ''like'' the new the new Drone look. It looks more scary and alien, and less hyper-evolved praying-mantis. [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 02:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| ...something about their society? --[[wikia:godzilla:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">The Lord of Monster Island</font>]] <sup>[[wikia:unhalo:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#660099>The Lord of Grunts</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#FFCC00>SPARTAN-012 James</font>]]</sub> <sup>[[halofanon:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#00FF00>MCPO James Davis</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sup> 20:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC) | | ...something about their society? --[[w:c:godzilla:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">The Lord of Monster Island</font>]] <sup>[[w:c:unhalo:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#660099>The Lord of Grunts</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[w:c:halo:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#FFCC00>SPARTAN-012 James</font>]]</sub> <sup>[[w:c:halofanon:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#00FF00>MCPO James Davis</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sup> 20:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC) |
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| Where on earth ANYWHERE does it mention that Drones can operate in space? They obviously didn't evolve on a planet with pressure conditions similar to vacuum and they certainly couldn't FLY in space. How can wings generate lift in an air-less vacuum? They can't! Even if their carapaces WERE hardened against the pressure difference in space, they could beat their wings all they wanted but there's no air to push against. They would never, EVER achieve any kind of maneuverability at all. | | Where on earth ANYWHERE does it mention that Drones can operate in space? They obviously didn't evolve on a planet with pressure conditions similar to vacuum and they certainly couldn't FLY in space. How can wings generate lift in an air-less vacuum? They can't! Even if their carapaces WERE hardened against the pressure difference in space, they could beat their wings all they wanted but there's no air to push against. They would never, EVER achieve any kind of maneuverability at all. |
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| There is NO place in the games, books, or EU that EVER mentions space operations, and as such, I'm going to delete any and all references in the name of controlling fanon and retaining a sense of...well...SENSE! | | There is NO place in the games, books, or EU that EVER mentions space operations, and as such, I'm going to delete any and all references in the name of controlling fanon and retaining a sense of...well...SENSE! |
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| Even though I do agree with some of the statements about drones surviving in space. WHERE do is ever say that drones were in space? I have never seen this in any of the games or books, where does it come from?([[User talk:Drone232|Drone232]] 13:02, October 30, 2009 (UTC)) | | Even though I do agree with some of the statements about drones surviving in space. WHERE do is ever say that drones were in space? I have never seen this in any of the games or books, where does it come from?([[User talk:Drone232|Drone232]] 13:02, October 30, 2009 (UTC)) |
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| halo 2 :P [[User:AKA Toad|Бесславной ублюдок]] 19:45, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
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| The new red drones seem to use shields and carry Brute Plasma Rifles. As seen in the same vidoc i think.I must say, in combination with large swarms,their guns, Legendary, Skulls and Engineers | | The new red drones seem to use shields and carry Brute Plasma Rifles. As seen in the same vidoc i think.I must say, in combination with large swarms,their guns, Legendary, Skulls and Engineers |
| they will easily be the toughest enemy fore Firefight, as they already killed you super fast regularly on Legendary and were very hard to take down in Halo 2.with the shields, seems that toughness is coming back.--[[User talk:Halofighter92|Halofighter92]] 22:58, September 2, 2009 (UTC) | | they will easily be the toughest enemy fore Firefight, as they already killed you super fast regularly on Legendary and were very hard to take down in Halo 2.with the shields, seems that toughness is coming back.--[[User talk:Halofighter92|Halofighter92]] 22:58, September 2, 2009 (UTC) |
| :K... so Bugger could survive is space but would be unable to move. And where in Halo 2 are drones in space? [[User talk:RussellofSwinhart|RussellofSwinhart]] 00:19, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
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| In Ant nests, the more an ant larvae is feed, the bigger the ant adult it will become. So the major drones may be drones that were more well fed during their infancy. I also agree with the statement that the drone soldiers may all be female becuase the same is true in many insect societies.([[User talk:Drone232|Drone232]] 12:57, October 30, 2009 (UTC)) | | In Ant nests, the more an ant larvae is feed, the bigger the ant adult it will become. So the major drones may be drones that were more well fed during their infancy. I also agree with the statement that the drone soldiers may all be female becuase the same is true in many insect societies.([[User talk:Drone232|Drone232]] 12:57, October 30, 2009 (UTC)) |
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| It had to be said... [[User talk:Orangeyellowbluething|Orangeyellowbluething]] 13:18, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::Actually Subtank, the information you're presenting about only two ranks seems to be false. You are referring to the Bungie service record boards. You fail to mention that if your reasoning was correct, we'd have to reduce our current number of Brute ranks as well. The Bungie scoreboards represents all ranks of Brute Captains (minor, major, ultra) as one. It represents all ranks of Brute Infantry (minor, major, ultra) as one. It lists all ranks of Jump Pack Brutes [minor, major, ultra (and yes there are now different ranks)] as one. Yet we have different articles for each individual sub-rank among the infantry, and captains, etc...as we rightfully should. So in that case, rather than having two RANKS of Drones, we instead have two different GROUPS of Drones with separate ranks among them. Infantry with green, blue, and gray. And Leaders with Red and Gold. I've discussed the rest of the details in the section "Let's Cut the Crap" below.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | | :::::Actually Subtank, the information you're presenting about only two ranks seems to be false. You are referring to the Bungie service record boards. You fail to mention that if your reasoning was correct, we'd have to reduce our current number of Brute ranks as well. The Bungie scoreboards represents all ranks of Brute Captains (minor, major, ultra) as one. It represents all ranks of Brute Infantry (minor, major, ultra) as one. It lists all ranks of Jump Pack Brutes [minor, major, ultra (and yes there are now different ranks)] as one. Yet we have different articles for each individual sub-rank among the infantry, and captains, etc...as we rightfully should. So in that case, rather than having two RANKS of Drones, we instead have two different GROUPS of Drones with separate ranks among them. Infantry with green, blue, and gray. And Leaders with Red and Gold. I've discussed the rest of the details in the section "Let's Cut the Crap" below.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC) |
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| ::::::I think she's trying to say that this grouping applies exclusively to the Drones, not all Covenant species.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:53, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| i wanna know who classed drones as insects there not heyre aliens, --[[User talk:Cody Sortor|Cody Sortor]] 19:12, November 27, 2009 (UTC) | | i wanna know who classed drones as insects there not heyre aliens, --[[User talk:Cody Sortor|Cody Sortor]] 19:12, November 27, 2009 (UTC) |
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| I would first like to know if there is truly any difference at ALL between green drones in Halo 3 (or possibly in ODST). We have pages for Drone minors and Drone majors and I don't seem to find any substantiate evidence as to the difference in these "light green" Drones and the "slightly lighter green" Drones other than that some Drones carry needlers. They look the same green to me. If someone can give me some evidence about testing the strengths and weapon resistances of these supposed differences than I will cool it. Until then, I'm calling for the reevaluation and possible deletion of this idea. | | I would first like to know if there is truly any difference at ALL between green drones in Halo 3 (or possibly in ODST). We have pages for Drone minors and Drone majors and I don't seem to find any substantiate evidence as to the difference in these "light green" Drones and the "slightly lighter green" Drones other than that some Drones carry needlers. They look the same green to me. If someone can give me some evidence about testing the strengths and weapon resistances of these supposed differences than I will cool it. Until then, I'm calling for the reevaluation and possible deletion of this idea. |
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| WAKE UP! We need to create five articles here people! I'm an amateur and would like someone who has done this with the other alien ranks to do it. They all look very cohesive and nice, and I would really like to preserve that. However, if this is not changed or debated within the next few days, I will take it upon myself. And we do NOT want that! So for all our sakes, please respond quickly Halopedians!--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | | WAKE UP! We need to create five articles here people! I'm an amateur and would like someone who has done this with the other alien ranks to do it. They all look very cohesive and nice, and I would really like to preserve that. However, if this is not changed or debated within the next few days, I will take it upon myself. And we do NOT want that! So for all our sakes, please respond quickly Halopedians!--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC) |
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| :Creating those ranks would be introducing fanon. Present an official source (other than H3:ODST) which states that Drones have a ranking system. What LostJedi stated in "Difference of Ranks ingame(ODST)" makes sense due to the fact that these Drones are a collective hive... and that being the Queen. The Prophets manipulate the Drone Queen which manipulates the Drones, like Bees. | | :Creating those ranks would be introducing fanon. Present an official source (other than H3:ODST) which states that Drones have a ranking system. What LostJedi stated in "Difference of Ranks ingame(ODST)" makes sense due to the fact that these Drones are a collective hive... and that being the Queen. The Prophets manipulate the Drone Queen which manipulates the Drones, like Bees. |
| :Elite, Grunt, Jackal and Brute Ranks (except Jump Pack Brute) have been verified by Bungie via Bungie Updates, Guides and Novels. I don't see any source pointing out that these Jump Pack Brutes having any '''official''' rank, other than that one screenshot in Subtank's talk page. | | :Elite, Grunt, Jackal and Brute Ranks (except Jump Pack Brute) have been verified by Bungie via Bungie Updates, Guides and Novels. I don't see any source pointing out that these Jump Pack Brutes having any '''official''' rank, other than that one screenshot in Subtank's talk page. |
| :Although common sense would say "Do IT", the Canon policy says otherwise and as per policy, I would say hold off creating these ranks.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:43, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | | :Although common sense would say "Do IT", the Canon Policy says otherwise and as per policy, I would say hold off creating these ranks.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:43, January 11, 2010 (UTC) |
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| ::The colouring system is a lot more significant than Halo 3's colour variations on Sangheili ranks (ie. dark blue Minor Domo, light blue Minor Domo). It would appear that there are different ranks in the game. However, I believe that they are armour variations, rather than an exoskeleton. My evidence is the mysterious blue objects sticking out of their backs, which appear to be artificial in origin. The colours would explain an armour, as well. I'm not sure if the queen would be able to simply make different produce for different roles, with their variations being colour and strength... insectoid variations are usually based on Able to mate, unable to mate... where those who can't become workers and soldiers, while those who can grow wings and do a lot of mating, where the female grows a huge belly to carry the potentially hundreds of eggs.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 01:52, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Not exactly fanon, but it is true that we have no basis for what these ranks would be called. If a split was made, we would have to go with the standard rank formula (minor, major, ultra). I also agree with LostJedi's proposition as well. Yet if that is truly the case, these manipulations to the type of Drone that the queen spits out still represent differences from each other in strengths and color (like all Covenant ranks) and should still be documented. Though the color and strength may be biological in nature and not promotable, payable "ranks" in the true sense of the word, they are indeed different strengths of opponents in a completely militaristic sense. If you don't think the that they can be officially labeled "ranks" due to a lack of support, we can call them something else. The fact of the matter is that these Drones still have rank-like differences that should be fleshed out within their own articles and don't need the word "RANK" labeled on them by Bungie to prove that they exist. They're in campaign and as that is enough to prove their existence in the Halo universe, these differences should be addressed on a larger scale.
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| :::I can at least promise that THAT is completely within Halo canon policies. =D
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| :::As for Forerunner, those blue objects have actually been confirmed to be anti-gravity generators to assist in flight on heavier worlds. They are attached to the Yanme'e exoskeleton.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 20:49, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Quote|it seems that only two Drone ranks are present, hinting that the second might just be a Drone Major. So, I would say that LostJedi's implication of the colour as a sign of maturity might be correct|My reply on LostJedi's theory}}
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| ::::I would like to point out that the above comment was to show that it is entirely possible/likely that these two ranks are only exclusive only to the Yanme'e species. Seeing that these Yanme'e are insectoid, and as such, follows an insect nature, it is more likely that they would go with the "Queen, Worker, Warrior" rank rather than having a complex military structure like the rest of the Covenant species. As you stated previously, they are a collective mind that responds only to the Queen, which I presume, is under control of the three High Prophets. With that said, it is unlikely that there is a special group of Yanme'e with ranks higher than a Major Yanme'e (which I consider to be the elder warrior when compared to the minor Yanme'e which is a younger warrior). It is likely that these odd colour variations we see in Halo 3: ODST are just maturity as pointed by LostJedi. Thus, I conclude that there is no such thing as a Yanme'e Ultra or a Yanme'e Stealth as it is completely absurd for Yanme'e to lead a lance of other Covenant species. Again, they are a collective mind, and as such, they follow the orders of the Queen. Ranks are nonsensical in the insect nature, the only exceptions are the [[Unmutuals]].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:45, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::But can the worker/soldier class not be further subdivided? You bring up a valid point that these drones take orders from the Queen and do not need a rank structure in those regards. But would it be outside the realms of reason to think that there would be captains to oversee an operation and deliver a queen's wishes to the rest of the swarm. To delegate tasks among separate groups of subordinates? At any rate, I find it highly, HIGHLY unlikely that the Drones exoskeletons just happen to change to the full spectrum of visible light over the course of their lives. I still think that the most common sense theory is that the Covenant tried to instill their rank structure ON the drones. And not to lead a lance of other species, but to lead a lance of other Yanme'e. Unfortunately, these are all just theories that can't be proven. Perhaps a letter would be suitable? I'm not under any illusions that we'd get a reply quickly.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 11:49, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Quote|I still think that the most common sense theory is that the Covenant tried to instill their rank structure ON the drones|[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]]}}
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| :::::Please note that not all Covenant species have rank structures like the Jiralhanae/Sangheili/Unggoy. In my opinion, these ranks you mention applies only to the "main forces", which are the J/S/U. I believe that "support forces" such as Kig-yar, Mgalekgolo and Yanme'e would not require such complex rank structure as their main purpose is to support the main forces. This is supported with the lack of rank structure in both Kig-yar (Minor, Major, Marksman) and Mgalekgolo. Note that I didn't include the Kig-yar as Shipmistress/master as that is an entirely irrelevant rank to this issue.
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| :::::Regarding how the ''"to deliver the queen's"'' order: in order to figure this out, we would first have to understand how Yanme'e communicates. The article shows that, like insects, the Yanme'e communicates using their wings. I would assume the wings creates a [[wikipedia:Infrasound#Animal_reactions_to_infrasound|unique frequency]] that only other Yanme'e would understand. How this would work in space, I don't know but we never actually fought Yanme'e in space, have we? Anyway, this form of communication is sufficient enough to relay orders from one Yanme'e to other Yanme'e. Like ants and bees, one Yanme'e would simply spread the orders given by the Queen through this method. With that said, I find it unlikely for Yanme'e to have some form of unique ranks in its society.
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| :::::Regarding the change in exoskeletons; again, all we can do is speculate. Halo 3: ODST is not a very strong evidence to support this theory. All we know from the game (and the guide) is that the Yanme'e are now like rainbows. This is similar to an earlier problem surrounding the armour designs of the Sangheili in H:CE.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:21, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::Subtank, though I now appreciate and even agree with your argument in this debate, I have to poke at your comment about space flight. We still have no canon sources that Yanme'e ever operated in space (other than them being Tier 4 or whatever), and the only reason that it was ever in the article to begin with was because someone speculated that they would replace the elite rangers in function.
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| ::::::There are various arguments above about the merits of Drones surviving in space without suits, but the simple fact remains that they evolved in an environment with habitable atmosphere and pressure and so have bodies accustomed to that. The fact that they even have bdily fluids (something that counteracts a planet's pressure) is enough evidence to dismiss this. Though anything's possible in sf xenobiology, there is no scientific basis that a living creature that evolved on a planet with atmosphere would be able to survive without it.
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| ::::::And then there's the fact that Drone wings can only create lift (or sound, as you said) with a medium like air to push against, a commodidty that is absent in the unforgiving vaccuum of space. Without air, Drones can't move, breathe, or communicate. And as I already said, the pressure differences between their habitat and space would render them dead within milliseconds. Anyways, I don't know if you were referring to them being in space naked or not, but I decided to add my two cents anyways as this has been a question for many in the past.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 14:26, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Quote|How this would work in space, I don't know but we never actually fought Yanme'e in space, have we?|Me!}}
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| :::::::I understand that there is no air in space, and as such, sound cannot be transmitted as per quote above. I was merely providing my thoughts on how they communicate. Seeing that you've revived this discussion again (Yay!), I found more possible forms of communication that the Yanme'e could use; electromagnetic waves! Again, I'm no scientist. :P
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| :::::::Regarding as to how Drones could survive in space: perhaps they are polyextremophiles? It might explain as to how they are able to function in different environments that are hazardous to other species.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 14:54, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::::Haha, I hope that "Yay!" wasn't sarcastic. EM waves would definitely be an interesting theory, but I think your first theory about the wings and infrasound seems more plausible. And I have no idea what a polyextremophile is... As it is though, is there a canon source even mentioning the possibility of Yanme'e surviving in a vaccuum or these other "hazardous environments"? I can't find where that idea started originating from. It just seems odd because we've always only seen or heard about Drones in ships or on terrestrial planets. I don't know when we decided they could fly in space too and fill the Elite Ranger role.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 18:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Introduced new idea to the color question ==
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| My theory is this: Drones molt their exoskeleton like real insects to grow. Each time they do so they become bigger and stronger. And also, they get a new color on their exoskeleton, going from weakest to strongets, green, blue, silver, gold, and red. Each stage of growth would be a little bit stronger and would command more respect and maturity than the one before. Possibly there could be a difference in the infantry and leader castes (workers and soldiers), where infantry ones would start green and end silver, and leaders would start gold and end red, and it wouldn't be possible for an infantry one to become a leader one. Or maybe its all one cycle, and the reason reds are so uncommon is because most Drones die before reaching that stage, with only the strongest/smartest being able to survive that long. [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 03:40, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
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| I like your idea, it's well thought out. Thats probably it if u think about it, But i also feel the drones dont get a big enough part in the games.[[User talk:Justin Kane|Justin Kane]] 04:30, February 25, 2010 (UTC)Justin Kane
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| :Sounds reasonable, I like it, but my opinion is irrelevant, as there's nothing official to back up your idea. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:45, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Theory: Covenant Surgeons are Drones ==
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| Haha, just bear in mind, this is pure speculation and I'm not suggesting addition to the article. Just discussion. But I honestly think that the Drones are most likely to take the role of surgeons and other highly specialized medical professionals in Covenant society. Considering that none of the other races are really likely:
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| C) Elites consider it to be a non-warrior and therefore dishonorable profession
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| D) Brutes are lacking in manual dexterity and have the exact opposite of a calm, patient demeanor
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| E) Hunters just really wouldn't work
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| F) Prophets would be exempt from getting their hands dirty
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| G) Engineers would obviously be the best at the work, but motivating them to do it would be an issue
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| And that Drones:
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| A) Have been described as intelligent and fearless
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| B) Unquestioningly loyal and no big rivalries with other races
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| C) Have demonstrated strong mechanical and engineering skills
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| D) Have good fine manipulation skills (evidenced by their skill with aiming weapons like the plasma pistol well while firing at very high rates)
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| So can anyone else buy this? [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 15:38, May 9, 2010 (UTC
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| :Makes sense... sort of...
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| :I was under the impression that medical proderures were automated in the coveneant, tough. [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 21:10, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::I'm not sure. The Covenant are incapable of learning things for themselves. They only learn through experiencing others, generally be collecting Forerunner technology. This was why they never learned about how to "slip" when in an atmosphere until Cortana did it. This is also why the Sangheili were unable to win their war of attrition with the Jiralhanae and vise versa: They were unable to learn how to develop on their own.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 21:44, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Good point Forerunner, but you gotta remember that they weren't in the Covenant forever. And why would it be dishonorable for an Elite? Say he saved a prophet, a supreme commander or some high ranking individual, I believe this would be an incredible honor for an elite, and a skill few knew. You are definitely right on Brutes, Jackals, Prophets, and grunts. But Hunters can be any form, not just a juggernaut. And Engineers would be willing at gunpoint, and they're peaceful, so they would. My guess is that each race has it's own, with the exception of prophets.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|BriNg iN DeR FLAmeS?!]] 21:54, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Drones in reach? ==
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| Where the hell did drones get to reach article? If no one has evidence about them being in, then im asking it to be removed.
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| :They can be seen taking Shotgun fire from Noble Six in the first ViDoc that was released. They are in. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:38, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| :where? cuz i cant see them
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| :[[User talk:SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII|SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII]] 14:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Oh snap! You might be right, on closer inspection it appears to have been a Jackal that I mistook. Is there actually any evidence out there for Drones in Reach? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 18:06, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Seems like yes (im not 100% sure though), a french interviewer asked if there are any drones in campaign, and they said: well they are not in firefight.
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| :::[[User talk:SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII|SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII]] 18:11, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Hmm, the game guide's release date is the 1st September, if Drones aren't in that then we'll know they're not in the game. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 02:34, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==My Research is Over==
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| Admitedly, its not as much as I would have liked to have done, but there's only so much of repeated Firefight sessions a person can take hehe. I found a few noteworthy observations that reinforces my earlier analysis of Drones in Halo 3: ODST and thought its about time I came to share them. I used Alpha Site as the location and tested the four difficulties with different skulls and waves, using only the AutoMag to fire upon my target. As ranking for Drones is an indefinite issue, I'm going to refer various Drones with levels of superiority/inferiority to differentiate between them. To erradicate any bias, comparisons I've made of superiority in strength or tactics are between the same difficulty, wave and skull. Observations I've made of course, have been in Theatre mode, as they can be seen with much more accuracy, than when I'm distracted with killing Drones one at a time in a specific way, i.e. bodyshots.
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| - Weapons are irrelevant to the superiority of a Drone. Green Drones with Plasma Pistols share the same traits as any Green Drone with a Needler. The same can be said for Blue and Silver Drones. Furthermore a Green Drone with a Needler is still inferior to any Blue Drone, even if it has an inferior weapon such as the Plasma Pistol. As both types of shielded Drones wield Brute Plasma Rifles, this argument is irrelevant to differentiate them.
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| - "Hardshell" proven. Whilst Green Drones can suffer 3 bodyshots before dieing, it takes 6-7 bodyshots to kill a Blue Drone, and 9-10 to kill a Silver Drone. Sustaining the argument that some Drones have harder or more resilient shells than others. However it should be noted that like differing Grunt ranks, the Silver, Blue and Green Drones can all be killed with a single headshot as can Red or Gold Drones after their shields are down. Although without shields, the number of bodyshots given in order to kill Red or Gold Drones is less than the number of bodyshots damage that a Silver Drone can take. Kinda strange, but the Red and Gold ones are still superior because they have shields in the first place. As for the difference between Gold and Red Drones' shells I feel that I didn't gather enough data to make a fair conclusion on which shielded Drone was superior.
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| - Spawning. Green Drones were more common in earlier rounds and on easier difficulties. For example in one Firefight session on Normal difficulty, the majority of Drones in the first Drone Wave I encountered (Set 1, Round 1, Wave 2) were Green (9), alongside only Blue (3). Whereas later that session in the next Drone Wave that I encountered (Set 1, Round 2, Wave 3) there were Blue Drones (6), Red Drones (3), Green Drones (2) and a Silver Drone (1). Although that Firefight session ended there, in others where I've progressed further, there's been a slight increase of Silver, Red and Gold Drones, with almost null deployment of the Greens.
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| Meanwhile, harder difficulties such as Legendary, feature Drones more akin to later Normal difficulty waves. Overall as difficulty increases, whether due to the initially chosen difficulty shield, or by progressing through waves, more superior Drones are common (Green < Blue < Silver). For example on Normal you may encounter 70% Green Drones at first, alongside 30% Blue. While on Legendary there may be 60% Blue Drones at first, with 35% Green, and a possible 5% Silver. The same occurance applies for shielded Drones however they never replace "Infantry" categorised Drones in the way that Blue Drones tend to replace Green, the number of shielded Drones is just more common. Red always seems the dominant Drone with shields, however as difficulty increases Gold Drones become more present, seeming to compliment the Red ones.
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| - Finally: Characteristics. When shot in the foot Green Drones almost always trip. However with Blue Drones a single shot won't make them stumble, instead it takes 3-4 shots to make them perform the same trip animation as seen with the Green Drone. A Silver Drone can take 9 consecutive shots to the foot in quick succession and will still not trip. Whilst in my experience I've never seen any of the Gold or Red Drones trip either. As for mannerisms and tactics, this could just be my mind playing tricks on me, but the Red Drones seem the most intelligent and are the least likely to land to allow me to get the desired shots I want on them, with Green in constrast being most complient.
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| In conclusion of the above, I believe that Drones are ordered as: Green < Blue < Silver < Gold < Red, even though Gold seems less common than Red. If I were to assume rank titles for these colours, I would name Green (Minor), Blue (Major), Silver (Ultra), Gold (Captain) and Red (Captain Major), however that is solely my own speculation as there is nothing official to support those titles. I'm done studying Drone so I leave the community draw its own conclusions from what I've found or even continue my study. If anyone wants to do the latter, can you tell me how to get Excell documents online please, so you guys can see my records. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 18:05, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| Actually the gold drones are superior to red ones, as they can take 2 melees from spiker, while reds always take only one.
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| Additionally gold drones take four carbine shots to deplete their shields whilst reds take three.
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| [[User talk:SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII|SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII]] 18:04, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::File:Yanme'e2.jpg - Two Green Drones looking very different due to lighting.
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| ::There you have it then... makes sense that Gold Drones are seen less in combat... they're like Zealots I guess. Great input, the sort of test I did didn't cover testing shields. In regards to that information, I'd perceive them as: Green (Minor), Blue (Major), Silver (Ultra), Red (Captain) and Gold (Captain Major). In regard to the Brute's ranks in Halo 3, that order of the "Leader" units makes more sense anyway as those were the same colours for the Brute Captain and Captain Major before the Captain was changed to violet. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 02:32, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Oh and there appears to be light green drones in night version of firefight maps. [[User talk:SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII|SPARTAN IIIIIIIIII]]
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| :::I think they're the same. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 19:40, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::But it only takes one plasma pistol shot to kill them, and they dont appear in any firefight map featured in daytime.
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| == Purple Drone in Halo 2 ==
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| Look at what I found on Bungie net. (google purple drone halo 2)
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| Its not fake I have also seen in on the Level Gravemind, on Heroic in one of the rooms is a broken window and on the outside are the tentacles of the gravemind. Its in the middle in one of these similar looking rooms I dont know anymore in which of the three rooms. (My english is not good enough to explain it correct but I will try it) There is something like a smal building in the room, search on the first floor beside some crates. Maybe its also on other difficulties there. (or only on legendary) Puh, hope somebody saw it too or will check it. regards <AgentSmith>
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| :I really wouldn't be too sure. Drones were extremely prone to change by lighting in Halo 2. Many times I thought I may have seen a blue or yellow drone, but then they moved in to standard light and I could clearly see they were green. As Gravemind is a very purple and dark level, I'm not surprised the Drone may have seemed to be that colour. If you can, try and get the Drone to move between different lighting/areas and you will probably find that its actually green, like all the rest of its friends. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 02:40, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :No, its a dead purple Drone, if you kill a green one next to it and illuminate it with Master Chiefs flashlight you will see the difference. <AgentSmith>
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| ::Can you get a better picture of it for us please? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 19:37, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| I could take a picture of my screen if you wish. But I described the place where you can find it yourself. <AgentSmith>
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| Yeah I can't really see it.[[User talk:Rollersox|Rollersox]] 20:20, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| Here's a better picture: File:Purple Drone Halo 2.jpg [[User talk:TK 234|One who survived]] 19:11, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Confirmed In Reach ==
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| Look on the Projects Page, then Enemies. Drones are there.
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| == What's the difference in Halo 3? ==
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| I've been trying to figure it out for ages, but can't see any physicial variation in appearance to differentiate between the two Drones ranks, Minor and Major, that are in Halo 3. Does anyone know how you can tell the difference between them?
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| By the way, nice article clear-up in progress, I tried searching the history to figure out who's responsible, but this article is starting to look better with the Organisation section refering to the Drone colours featured in ODST. Nice job! -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 19:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| :According to the articles, it implies that the use of any weapon other than the Plasma Pistol means they are of a higher rank... at least, that's how I interpret the articles.
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| :You can thank Nerfherder for [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Yanme%27e&diff=953925&oldid=953745 cleaning up] the article. However, plausible as they are, conjecturalisation tags need to be added.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:24, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::That seems strange... for the reason that if Thunderstorm is enabled, then all Drone Minors in theory should be replaced by Drone Majors, yet a lot of the Drones still have Plasma Pistols. =/ -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 19:34, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| == What's up with the changes to the rank table? ==
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| As far as I know, there has never been a Drone Ultra, unless it's something specifically new to Reach that I haven't heard up yet. That shouldn't be there. "Drone Engineer" also shouldn't - it's not canon, it's deleted material, just concept art of a mix-up between Drones and Engineers. The "Yanme'e Drone" is not an official title and I'd just like to add that translated, "Drone Drone" sounds stupid. It'd be like having Elite as a Sangheili rank or Grunt for an Unggoy one. Also, it's not even a military rank. Neither is Queen. And all those incorrect picture labels just look sloppy and detract from it.
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| So basically, I think those points I've mentioned should be removed from the rank chart. What's the consensus here? [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 22:07, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Ranks...Again ==
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| so i made a table for the ranks section using copy-pasted info. I was only able to list 2 ranks because they had their own articles but i know there are like 5 other colors. how are we gonna sort out the drone rank mess?
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| theres apparently:
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| *green/yellow/?minor?
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| *red/?leader?/?major?
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| *blue/?spec ops?
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| *white/silver/?ultra?/?spec ops?
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| *gold/?leader?/?"zealots"?
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| the main question i have is whether red drones are simple majors or leaders. their article lists them as being majors, but this article lists them as being top leaders.
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| this is very confusing.
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| should i add the other ranks to the table but keep their heirachy obscure like:
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| {| cellpadding="5" border="1" style="clear: both;"
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| ! '''Rank'''
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| ! '''Image'''
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| ! '''Description'''
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| ! colspan="3"|'''Yanme'e Infantry'''
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| |'''Yanme'e Major'''
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| |File:ReachRedShell.jpg
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| |Drone Majors are one step higher than the Minor Drones. They still appear low in rank, about the same as a Jackal Minor. They are most often seen commanded by Jackal Majors, Brutes, and even Special Operations Grunts. Yanme'e Majors are differentiated from lower ranks by their crimson shells and energy shields. They have longer wings and can fly faster than Drone Minors.
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| |'''Yanme'e Minor'''
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| |File:Drone Swarm.jpg
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| |Logically, Drone Minors are the lowest of the Drone ranks. They are commanded by Drone Majors, Jackals, and Grunt Majors. They seem equal, if not even inferior in rank, to the Grunt Minors, placing them at the very bottom of the Covenant hierarchy. Usually found equipped with Plasma Pistols, Needlers, and rarely Plasma Rifles, Drone Minors, while powerful in swarms, are weak individually. They can be taken down fairly easily, and will often make tactical errors such as flying into an enemy's line of sight, or getting in the path of another Drone's shot.
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| ! colspan="3"|'''Unknown Yanme'e Infantry'''
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| |'''Blue Yanme'e'''
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| |File:Drones1.jpg|Descrip
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| |'''Silver/White Yanme'e'''
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| |File:Drones1.jpg
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| |Descrip
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| |'''Gold Yanme'e'''
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| |File:Drones1.jpg
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| |Descrip
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| the images for unknown ranks would be cropped versions of course. i also noticed that the halo: reach service record lists three classifications of drones:Infantry, Leaders, and Specialists. meaning there has to be more than 2 ranks at least.[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 08:02, 4 December 2010(EST)
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| Well, there's an easy way to find out, just go to campagin, kill, a set number of them, and count how many of each you get. If none of them counted for the specialist catagoery, then we know they look different. [[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwockxeno]] 17:08, 1 January 2011 (EST)
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| Actually, I think I just found one, check out these screenshots, they look like blue drones with a single horn:
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| http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=11124625
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| http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=7957153
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| 17:18, 1 January 2011 (EST)
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| == Drone Specialists ==
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| I just played the New Alexandria level and came across the above mentioned blue drones proof is in the picture http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=16589690.
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| This drone has one 'horn', and when killed the carnage report classes it as Buggers Specialist, would this be some sort of ultra rank or am I making a mistake in thinking that the drones follow the same rank structure as the other races within the covenant?
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| I know definitely that there are green drones such as these http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=16594818 they possess no 'horn' and when killed are classed as buggers infantry.
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| There are red drones http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=16594824 these get classed as buggers leaders when killed.
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| And finally I now know there are blue drones such as http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=16593040 which count as buggers specialist when killed as stated above.
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| But whilst playing Tip of the Spear on Heroic I came across red and blue drones and expected the carnage report to tell me that I had killed buggers leaders and specialists, but when I looked at the carnage report they all classed as 'Buggers specialist' and no leaders were reported to have died. The red ones I encountered were these http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=16593008 which leads me to the question are there two red varieties of drones? [[User talk:Hellisuva|Hellisuva]] 14:30, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
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| == Problem with Rank table? ==
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| The rank table shows that Drone Leaders are gold in colour, where as the information below under 'Other Ranks' say that the red drones 'represent the peak of the Yanme'e ranks'. Shouldn't this be changed as Red Drones are higher in rank and stronger than the gold ones?
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| [[User talk:Narative|Narative]] 17:24, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
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| == Proposed New Rank Table ==
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| {| cellpadding="5" border="1" style="clear: both;"
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| ! '''Rank'''
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| ! colspan="3"|'''Yanme'e Leaders'''
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| |'''Yanme'e Queen'''
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| |Queens are the leaders of Hives, responsible for the birth of new members of the Swarm.
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| |-! colspan="3"|'''Yanme'e Leaders'''
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| |'''Yanme'e Captain Major'''
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| |File:Yanme'e Captain Major (Yellow).jpg
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| |Drone Captain Majors are gold-yellow in colour and appear to be superior to all other Drone ranks. This rank seems to be very high ranking within the Hive as only one is seen throughout the campaign of Halo ODST. It's found equipped with a Brute Plasma Rifle and shielding.
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| |'''Yanme'e Captain'''
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| |File:ReachRedShell.jpg
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| |Drone Captains appear to command groups of lower ranking Drones.
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| ! colspan="3"|'''Yanme'e Specialists'''
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| |'''Yanme'e 'Specialist''''
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| |File:Yanme'e Specialist (blue - reach) 2.jpg|Drone 'Specialists' appear blue in colour and have one horn/antenae. They are often seen working in darker environments.
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| |-! colspan="3"|'''Yanme'e Specialists'''
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| ! colspan="3"|'''Yanme'e Infantry'''
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| |'''Yanme'e Ultra'''
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| |File:Yanme'e Ultra (White).jpg
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| |Drone Ultras are one step higher than the Major Drones. Drone Ultras are differentiated from lower ranks by their white-silver shells and slight energy shields.
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| |'''Yanme'e Major'''
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| |File:Yanme'e Major (Blue).jpg
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| |Drone Majors are one step higher than the Minor Drones. They still appear low in rank, about the same as a Jackal Minor. This rank is blue in colour and appear to posses somekind of very low sheilding.
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| |'''Yanme'e Minor'''
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| |File:Yanme'e Minor (green) 2.jpg
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| |Logically, Drone Minors are the lowest of the Drone ranks. They are commanded by Drone Majors, Jackals, and Grunt Majors. They seem equal, if not even inferior in rank, to the Grunt Minors, placing them at the very bottom of the Covenant hierarchy. Usually found equipped with Plasma Pistols, Needlers, and rarely Plasma Rifles, Drone Minors, while powerful in swarms, are weak individually. They can be taken down fairly easily, and will often make tactical errors such as flying into an enemy's line of sight, or getting in the path of another Drone's shot.
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| [[User:Hellisuva|Hellisuva]] and I, have discussed the potential rank structure of the Yanme'e and we came to the conclusion that it would make more sense for them to have followed the same rank structure of the Brutes. These may not be the exact names of these ranks but they make them a lot easier to think about and also seems appropriate. The only problem we encountered was the ranking of the blue drone in Reach that when killed, is listed as a specialist unit therefore making it unlikely to be the same as the blue drone from ODST. If I receive positive feedback to this or any other suggestions I will create pages and links for each Drone rank.
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| [[User talk:Narative|Narative]] 17:20, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
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| <br>You have my approval :P although can I suggest that the red drone picture in the above table be changed to one showing more red or the horn arrangement, I think I may have one. [[User:Hellisuva|Hellisuva]] 19:06, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
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| This table looks great, but is there confirmation that the blue/red ranks in Reach aren't just updated ultras/majors? [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 01:06, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
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| The official game guide does state that the blue drone from Reach is in fact an ultra, but when killed in game the kill report states that it classes as a specialist, I can see no reason why this would be so if the rank was just an ultra. But game guides have been known to be wrong before. [[User talk:Hellisuva|Hellisuva]] 05:12, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
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| I'll give you credit for trying to fit all of the information we have into one concise explanation. But with Drones unfortunately, it's not quite that simple.
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| :- Halo 2: All are green Minors.
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| :- Halo 3: All are green. But apparently there are Minors '''and''' Majors.
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| :- Halo 3: ODST: Green, blue and silver are classed as Infantry. Gold and red are classed as Leaders.
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| :- Halo: Reach: According to the guide, Minors are green, Majors are red, whilst Ultras are referenced but not shown. In-game and online classification adds to confusion, as it uses the terms Infantry, Specialists and Leaders.
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| Captain is also a speculated rank name. With such discontinuity in Drone ranks and lack of credible description, I kind of gave up trying to make sense of it all. But perhaps the Essential Visual Guide could shed some light? I don't own it. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 10:40, 7 November 2011 (EST)
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| Yeah, I tried making sense of the ranks when the new ranks with ODST came out, lets just say it didn't work out. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 11:06, 7 November 2011 (EST)
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| == Page picture ==
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| Why is it still using the Halo 3 picture? We should be using Reach. {{Unsigned|ArchedThunder}}
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| :Please sign your signature.We can, if we have a good and suitable picture. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Contributions]])</sub> 10:48, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
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| We Have an official render from Bungie, and have had it since Reach launched. [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]]
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| == Epic Win! ==
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| Anyone in the loop should know that Halo Waypoint just experienced an update. With this update comes the ability to create Custom Challenges. http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Career/HaloReach/Challenges
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| :Step 1: Click to create a new Custom Challenge.
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| :Step 2: Give your challenge an appropriate title<sup>(1)</sup> and set the Challenge Type as "Campaign".
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| :Step 3: Select "Kills of Enemy" in the Goals field and choose a Drone classification<sup>(2)</sup> for the Type.
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| :Step 4: Choose an appropriate number.
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| :Step 5: Complete the other fields and go hunt some Drones!
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| :(1) These Are the Drones We're Looking For (would be my choice) xD
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| :(2) Drone Infantry/Drone Specialist/Drone Leader
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| It should now be super-duper easy to identify which Drones are which classification in Halo: Reach. Just remain conscious of which ones triggered the challenge and take a screenshot of the bugger in Theatre. I would have a go at this myself, alas I have no xbox with me right now. Good hunting! -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:07, 15 November 2011 (EST)
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| ==Lack of sourcing.==
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| When was it ever stated the drones were catalogued by the librarian? They cannot get infected anyway due to their physiology. ~Grey101
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| Look [http://www.halopedian.com/Yanme%27e here]
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| :When has anything ever said they ''couldn't'' be infected? The Flood is capable of infecting anything organic - they just ''prefer'' larger organisms with calcium deposits. The Yanme'e are still intelligent, and still make good targets for Flood infection. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:55, 2 December 2011 (EST)
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| What am i looking at? i edited that section because it had no source just lack what you are saying. The have no spine thus cannot be infected. They can be turned into Biomass like everything larger than a fungus but they can not be infected.[[User talk:Grey101|grey]] 08:21, 2 December 2011 (EST)Grey101
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| :What are you talking about? That is exactly what infection ''is''! As for lacking a spine, insects still have a neurological system, which is what the Flood uses - not the spine itself. As for cataloguing, the fact that they survived is all the evidence we need - why would the Librarian leave out one species? Even if (IF) they were immune to the Flood, the Halo Array would still kill them. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 06:07, 3 December 2011 (EST)
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| :: What if Palmolk is outside of the radius of the array? If it's not directly stated, is shoudn't be in the article without a conjecture tag, or followed by "(Presumbly)" or something. I see similiar statements without citations in the jackal artcile about their pre-covie history, and during their encounters.http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 19:34, 5 November 2012 (EST)
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| == Latin name ==
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| In the source for the latin name, it says it translates to "Ugly king", not dishornable king. Can someone who knows more latin than me double check this, and the other names with the listed source? http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 19:32, 5 November 2012 (EST)
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| :[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/turpis Turpis, in a figurative sense, means dishonorable], according to Wikitionary. The forum post is more of a literal sense.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 20:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
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| ::Well, if we are going to interpret the intended translation as anything other than literally, then wouldn't it make more sense to go with the "unsightly/foul" definition? Them being giant flying roachs and all? http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 21:18, 5 November 2012 (EST)
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| :::[http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive29.pl?read=865764 It can also be "King of ugly"]. It was changed because of what was supplied in the [http://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Yanme%27e&diff=next&oldid=95214#Trivia trivia]. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 22:12, 5 November 2012 (EST)
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| ::::That doesn't address my point. If we aren't going to use the literal translation, we should use the one that is most likely the intended one, or the one that makes the most logical sense. In this case, "Vile", "Unsightly", or "Foul" makes a lot more sense than "Dishonorable".
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| ::::Ugly works, but it lacks the connotative meanings that vile and such has. http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 22:28, 5 November 2012 (EST)
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