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==Untitled==
Should this be from the real world perspective or not? The article seems to be straddling the line. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 04:54, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
Should this be from the real world perspective or not? The article seems to be straddling the line. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 04:54, October 2, 2009 (UTC)


==Real world==
==Real world==
If real world is on the page we should include some references to the real world. Like how the USA is the home of Bungie, Microsoft and Ensamble and how the Marines, Nuclear weapons and the UN originated here. If we mention that maybe people will stop demanding it's deletion. [[User:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] UserWiki:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] 19:42, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
If real world is on the page we should include some references to the real world. Like how the USA is the home of Bungie, Microsoft and Ensamble and how the Marines, Nuclear weapons and the UN originated here. If we mention that maybe people will stop demanding it's deletion. [[User:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] [[UserWiki:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] 19:42, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


== Deletion ==
== Deletion ==


Just to lead you know, in the Halo encylopedia, they have revealed that the United States doesn't exist anymore, it has murged together with Canada and Mexico into the United Nations of North America. I think this page should be completly removed, as it has little relevance to the Halo universe, and instead create the UNNR page. Only nations that exists in the Halo universe should be mentioned. How do I flag this page for deletion? [[Special:Contributions/217.21.233.2|217.21.233.2]] 11:51, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Just to lead you know, in the Halo encylopedia, they have revealed that the United States doesn't exist anymore, it has murged together with Canada and Mexico into the United Nations of North America. I think this page should be completly removed, as it has little relevance to the Halo universe, and instead create the UNNR page. Only nations that exists in the Halo universe should be mentioned. How do I flag this page for deletion? [[Special:Contributions/217.21.233.2|217.21.233.2]] 11:51, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
:We already have a [[United Republic of North America|URNA]] article. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 12:39, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
:We already have a [[United Republic of North America|URNA]] article. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] [[Image:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 12:39, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
::It probably should be revamped to only describe the 2004 world of ILB, and merge the later history stuff into the URNA article. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
::It probably should be revamped to only describe the 2004 world of ILB, and merge the later history stuff into the URNA article. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Dragonclaws, though also remember while it may not be a national political entity, America would still likely refer to the region (as in, the former USA), which this article would be used for in a post-URNA formation article. [[User:Grizzlei|CommanderTony]]
:::I agree with Dragonclaws, though also remember while it may not be a national political entity, America would still likely refer to the region (as in, the former USA), which this article would be used for in a post-URNA formation article. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}}


NVM, sorry, I was mistaken. It is called the United Republic of North America in the Encylopedia, sorry, my mistake. As I said, this article should still be deleted, and the history part of the UNNR article should mention the USA. If the USA should be mentioned in this wikipedia, why not Canada, Iraq, China, Britain, Sweden, Russia etc? Only the nations that currently exists should be in the wikipedia, this article isn't really relevant to the Halo universe. Please delete, but it probably won't be deleted, as many of the administrators are American. [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 14:39, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
NVM, sorry, I was mistaken. It is called the United Republic of North America in the Encylopedia, sorry, my mistake. As I said, this article should still be deleted, and the history part of the UNNR article should mention the USA. If the USA should be mentioned in this wikipedia, why not Canada, Iraq, China, Britain, Sweden, Russia etc? Only the nations that currently exists should be in the wikipedia, this article isn't really relevant to the Halo universe. Please delete, but it probably won't be deleted, as many of the administrators are American. [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 14:39, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
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That is entirely conjecture, it shouldn't be mentioned in the article, the Believe campaign wasn't canon in the slightest, Bungie said that themselves, the UK page barely contains any information at all, it doesn't deserve an own separate page. Just mention it briefly in the Jack Courage page. But nevermind, I will never win an argument this against an biased administrator, I'm out of here, but at least I tried, sorry. +
That is entirely conjecture, it shouldn't be mentioned in the article, the Believe campaign wasn't canon in the slightest, Bungie said that themselves, the UK page barely contains any information at all, it doesn't deserve an own separate page. Just mention it briefly in the Jack Courage page. But nevermind, I will never win an argument this against an biased administrator, I'm out of here, but at least I tried, sorry. +


:There's several flaws in your argument: Bungie never said the Believe campaign was not canon. It was assumed that since Microsoft had no control over the Halo plot during Halo 3's production, they tried to create their own story using what they know about the Halo Universe. Similarly, even though there this inconsistency in the Halo Universe, the campaign along with every element of the campaign deserves a mention in Halopedia. However, if it has been proven/verified that an article is not canon, we can simple add a Not Canon template to notify visitors of its status. And this is all coming from facts of a ''biased'' administrator who has two nationalities and wonders which nation/country she should support. Again, read the articles carefully and slowly digest the information. Try to search for several informations that might contradict the established information and then present your argument.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:07, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
:There's several flaws in your argument: Bungie never said the Believe campaign was not canon. It was assumed that since Microsoft had no control over the Halo plot during Halo 3's production, they tried to create their own story using what they know about the Halo Universe. Similarly, even though there this inconsistency in the Halo Universe, the campaign along with every element of the campaign deserves a mention in Halopedia. However, if it has been proven/verified that an article is not canon, we can simple add a [[Template:NotCanon|Not Canon template]] to notify visitors of its status. And this is all coming from facts of a ''biased'' administrator who has two nationalities and wonders which nation/country she should support. Again, read the articles carefully and slowly digest the information. Try to search for several informations that might contradict the established information and then present your argument.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:07, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


Why would ONI have a cover story, for the Master Chief? The ONI denied the existence of 117, and there are memorials around the portal about the battle of the Ark, why would ONI cover story? lol, soz [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 15:52, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
Why would ONI have a cover story, for the Master Chief? The ONI denied the existence of 117, and there are memorials around the portal about the battle of the Ark, why would ONI cover story? lol, soz [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 15:52, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
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::Conjecture, you seem to forget the fact that the entire believe campaign is non-canon, and the Portal was fully uncovered at the end of Halo 3, I doubt the ONI would be able to hide it, lol, and there are memorials that speak of the battle of the Ark. The portal was open for hours, and the ONI hardly had the resources to burry the Portal quickly, it could be seen from space, thousands of soldiers saw the portal. Why would they need such a cover story like the believe campaign, and not go with the real version, anyhow? [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 16:12, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
::Conjecture, you seem to forget the fact that the entire believe campaign is non-canon, and the Portal was fully uncovered at the end of Halo 3, I doubt the ONI would be able to hide it, lol, and there are memorials that speak of the battle of the Ark. The portal was open for hours, and the ONI hardly had the resources to burry the Portal quickly, it could be seen from space, thousands of soldiers saw the portal. Why would they need such a cover story like the believe campaign, and not go with the real version, anyhow? [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 16:12, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


:::Our Canon policy: ''Although fanfiction is to be avoided, official material, even non-canon material, falls into Halopedia's range''. So, even though it is not canon, it deserves to be mentioned.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:15, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
:::Our Canon Policy: ''Although fanfiction is to be avoided, official material, even non-canon material, falls into Halopedia's range''. So, even though it is not canon, it deserves to be mentioned.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:15, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


Oh, I wasn't aware of that. So you mean I'm allowed to write a fan-fic about Master Chief after Halo 3, and mention it in Halopedia? There must be thousands of fan-fics out thur, what makes your little theory so special? [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 16:19, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. So you mean I'm allowed to write a fan-fic about Master Chief after Halo 3, and mention it in Halopedia? There must be thousands of fan-fics out thur, what makes your little theory so special? [[Special:Contributions/81.232.69.135|81.232.69.135]] 16:19, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
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== Voting on deletion ==
== Voting on deletion ==


Okay, so Andromeda Vadum has posted the "nominated for deletion" box on the United States of America, and since we seem to have had an extensive debate on the subject (and I really hate seeing that box on top of a page for an extended period of time), I say it's time we settled this issue and vote to see where everyone stands. Keep in mind, the Halopedia [[Halopedia:Voting policy]] voting policy applies; those who do not meet the correct criteria will not have their votes counted. Also, remember that the Halopedia Administrators have the final word. --[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 23:17, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so Andromeda Vadum has posted the "nominated for deletion" box on the United States of America, and since we seem to have had an extensive debate on the subject (and I really hate seeing that box on top of a page for an extended period of time), I say it's time we settled this issue and vote to see where everyone stands. Keep in mind, the Halopedia [[Halopedia:Voting Policy]] voting policy applies; those who do not meet the correct criteria will not have their votes counted. Also, remember that the Halopedia Administrators have the final word. --[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 23:17, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


===Oppose Deletion===
===Oppose Deletion===
#{{Oppose}} - I oppose deleting the article, United States of America for two of the following reasons. First, Halo: Contact Harvest states "some of the people who lived in the Zone still considered themselves American" when speaking about Chicago. Second, the Halo Encyclopedia describes the United Republic of North America as "a loose association," meaning its members the US, Canada and Mexico still have some degree of autonomy (within the confines of the United Earth Government, as are all other countries on Earth). These reasons alone are reason enough why the United States is notable, therefore deserves its own page. --[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 23:17, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} - I oppose deleting the article, United States of America for two of the following reasons. First, Halo: Contact Harvest states "some of the people who lived in the Zone still considered themselves American" when speaking about Chicago. Second, the Halo Encyclopedia describes the United Republic of North America as "a loose association," meaning its members the US, Canada and Mexico still have some degree of autonomy (within the confines of the United Earth Government, as are all other countries on Earth). These reasons alone are reason enough why the United States is notable, therefore deserves its own page. --[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 23:17, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} As stated above, the United States along with several other countries mantain a large amount of importance. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 23:23, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} As stated above, the United States along with several other countries mantain a large amount of importance. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 23:23, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


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The civil war was mentioned a couple of times in halo.
The civil war was mentioned a couple of times in halo.


:Yeah, it has, but I just don't think any of those mentions are significant enough to merit its own page.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 20:59, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, it has, but I just don't think any of those mentions are significant enough to merit its own page.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 20:59, December 5, 2009 (UTC)


== Second Civil War? ==
== Second Civil War? ==
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Or did you mix the information with Eric Nylunds Novel "Crimson Skies"? SgtSalty
Or did you mix the information with Eric Nylunds Novel "Crimson Skies"? SgtSalty


:It's canon, referred to in the story about Admiral Cole in [[Halo: Evolutions]]. The US somehow fell apart into disparate territories following some kind of civil war, and later contributed to the foundation of the [[United Republic of North America]] which it is currently a part of. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 20:03, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
:It's canon, referred to in the story about Admiral Cole in [[Halo: Evolutions]]. The US somehow fell apart into disparate territories following some kind of civil war, and later contributed to the foundation of the [[United Republic of North America]] which it is currently a part of. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] [[Image:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 20:03, December 11, 2009 (UTC)


::Yes it`s canon, it´s a bad idea but we have to accept it. 91.41.3.222
::Yes it`s canon, it´s a bad idea but we have to accept it. 91.41.3.222
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When they say the USA had a civil war and then formed with mexico and Canada to form a larger thing I have trouble accepting could it be a typo or something where guy was thinking of somethin else--[[User talk:Bruce9|Bruce9]] 18:29, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
When they say the USA had a civil war and then formed with mexico and Canada to form a larger thing I have trouble accepting could it be a typo or something where guy was thinking of somethin else--[[User talk:Bruce9|Bruce9]] 18:29, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


:Read the pages United States of America and United Republic of North America. They state that this is ''conjecture.'' It's based more on little hints left by the authors than anything explictly said.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 18:33, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
:Read the pages United States of America and United Republic of North America. They state that this is ''conjecture.'' It's based more on little hints left by the authors than anything explictly said.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 18:33, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


== America collapsing ==
== America collapsing ==
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:Think of it this way, when the Soviet Union broke up, did the countries next to it, like China, also break up? [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 11:10, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
:Think of it this way, when the Soviet Union broke up, did the countries next to it, like China, also break up? [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 11:10, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
:The Chinese and the Sovs weren't crucial allies in the late 80s. I'm pretty sure Canada and Mexico would have a lot of problems on their hands if their biggest trading partner fragmented. 1-1 Marines
:The Chinese and the Sovs weren't crucial allies in the late 80s. I'm pretty sure Canada and Mexico would have a lot of problems on their hands if their biggest trading partner fragmented. 1-1 Marines
::Poland, the Baltic States and many other countries had important trading agreements with the Soviet Union and didn't collapse when the USSR fragmented. With the exception of Afghanistan, most of them have weathered the storm quite well.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] ([[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|talk]]) 10:11, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
:::Okay, so did Texas secede because of ideological differences with the rest of America? Because that actually strikes me as pretty realistic.

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