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| | Someone said that the grunts can use magnums. This is not yet proven so it will not be put it. |
| | :I believe Dojorkan added most of those. He's a modder who's tested that kind of stuff out. You can find a lot of his screenshots at HBO. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 05:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC) |
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| | Yes but modding shouldn't count for factual Grunt weapon compatibility in this wiki. In the Arbiter's level you can get Jackals to glitch and use carbines with a shield but that doesn't mean we should put it in their page. That goes for the Rocket Launcher to. Bungie never intended Grunts to use these in Halo 1 or 2. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 23:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
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| Did anyone else notice the glowing grunts in the five minute firefight that was set on Corvette. <span style="font-family: Halo3 ; Font-size: 135%; color:#800002;">FATGUNN</span> 02:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
| | You misunderstand. Its not liek I did some kind of stuff that makes them hold it. They already have the animation for it, made by bungie. The jackals using a carbine isnt a glitch. They are allowed to use it because bungie made the animation for it. Even though they didnt make it Look perfect. In normal gameplay, you can give magnums and rockets to grunts. |
| | On Sacred Icon, keep a grunt alive until you encounter the flood. and swap a magnum for whatever current weapon they have. While we are at it, Jackals can use BRs, Magnums, and SMGs on there. |
| | For the rocket launcher, just keeep your grunts alive until you get the only Rocket on Uprising.--[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 06:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC) |
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| == Erroneous Height ==
| | Hey how can Spec-Ops Grunts have Active Camouflage if they do not have shields, i thought active camouflage only works if the user had shields? User:Joshua 029 |
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| The stats section states that a Grunt is 5'6 tall, and weighs well over 100kg. [http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline10/blamestosh/happy_halo3_78416926_Full.jpg Errmmm... No.] Regardless of the fact that it is a 'Blame Stosh' picture from the BWU, it still shows a grunt about half the size of a civilian human. That civilian is not 12 feet tall, nor is the grunt best part of 6. Grunts, going by that picture are around 3 feet tall. Where the hell did this "5'6" figure come from? Being 3ft tall, they will not be over 100kg either.[[User talk:Thebigyeash|Thebigyeash]] 14:22, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
| | ==Whats up with the whole Grunts speaking English thing?== |
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| :The image you linked is using perspectives to achieve that shot; the Grunt is farther while the civilian is closest to the camera. Also, the Halo Encyclopedia confirmed this. For more clarification, see [http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_characterscale/index.html?char1=GruntArmor1-H1&char2=ODST-H2 this].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
| | Do they ever explain why the grunts speak English? |
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| == Unusual event ==
| | They don't, the Mjolnir armor of the master chief has a translator from Covenant to English. |
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| I was playing firefight Reach when I found several spec ops grunts using plasma rifles. Glitch? Bug? Blahmarrow thinks not. So what was it?--[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 20:13, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
| | He doesn't have a translator in his MJOLNIR armour, they only speak english for the player, it's only for the game, really they speak in Covenant, but if they spoke Covenant then you wouldn't hear the joke would you...User:Joshua 029 |
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| :I'd say its just a gameplay feature. It happens to me pretty frequently on coop, especially with Thunderstorm on. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:39, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
| | == Repetition == |
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| == Variants == | | Everything is repeated! that makes it very monotonous. Please read it from first to last and you will see what I mean. Some things are even repeated three times!--12.108.200.201 23:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
| | :Yeah, I do see what you mean. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 00:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC) |
| | ::Yeah, there's even a section under this one repeating the word Repetition. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 09:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC) |
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| Is it mentioned anywhere on the article that in the first Halo there were two different looking types of grunts (the ones with the straight pointing tanks and masks that go outwards to the sides, this being the type that also appeared in 2 and 3; and also the ones with curved tanks and masks that pointed more back)--[[User talk:Black kille|Black kille]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (EST)
| | Isn't there a translator in the chief's helmet? |
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| :Yeah - we call them "straightbacks" and "curlbacks". Bungie intended another variant to be in Combat evolved, the cylindral-shaped "flatbacks"-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 02:55, 7 January 2011 (EST)
| | Yes... but, according to TFoR, "their speech--even with the new translation software-- was an odd combination of high-pitched squeaks, guttural barks, and growls." But, this was back in 2535, so who knows if it still applies. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 09:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC) |
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| | == Removed Repetition == |
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| == RvB: Animated ==
| | I edited the page to remove most of the repetition and rearranged the information into the appropriate categories. |
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| Why does the gallery still feature the image from ''Red versus Blue: Animated''? I removed it about a year ago, but it was restored. Doesn't it technically count as fan art? Rooster Teeth is ''not'' an official party. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 00:15, 13 January 2011 (EST)
| | [[User:Dark Lady|Dark Lady]] 00:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC) |
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| == Curlback grunts == | | == Ancient stepping-stones? == |
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| Why is there no mention of them in the article any longer? [[User talk:mrsupersauce|mrsupersauce]] 01:27, 25 June 2011 (EST)
| | 4th paragraph [http://halosm.bungie.org/story/forerunner.html here]. Quote: |
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| ==Unggoy Philosophies?==
| | "Their relics are not restricted to Halo 04. The Aztec-esque stones of C'ort Azur, the arches and weathered inscriptions of Sigma Octanus, the intricate caverns and 3km holographic dome beneath ONI's Reach complex, <b>the ancient stepping-stones of the Grunt's homeworld</b>, and the Prophet's own claim to have evolved on an abandoned Forerunner planet, the revelation that their Ark (whatever that entails) exists on Earth, not to mention the countless installations undoubtedly pilfered to allow the Covenant to have achieved their current levels of technology, all give testament to this galaxy's permeation." |
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| According to the ''Halo Encyclopedia'', one of the simple philosophies of the Unggoy is "When in doubt, flee!", but yet another simple philosophy from one of the Halo novels (not sure which one it is, nor can I remember), is "When in doubt, shoot!". If anyone could shed any light on this, like where did this other philosophy came from what book, and whatever else, and maybe someone could adjust or address the issue. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 21:36, 17 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
| | Anyone know, or feel like inquiring, where the HBO guys got this information? Or should we just trust it as canon, given their close relationship with Bungie? Apparently the Grunt homeworld bit was on the page as early as [http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive12.pl?read=337444 December 2003]. (The bit about the Ark was added well after Halo 2, though.) |
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| They say both of them. The latter one comes from Halo: The Flood (iirc, no?) and the former I believe came from Halo 3. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 21:45, 17 September 2011 (EDT)
| | Also: I guess it could have come from one of the strategy guides, since I haven't read those. |
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| ==second, third or even fourth?==
| | --Andrew Nagy [[User:68.44.13.236|68.44.13.236]] 04:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC) |
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| I'm sorry rereaded the phase... changed it back!--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 12:07, 23 December 2011 (EST) | | :Stepping stones are mentioned in Halo: The Flood, when the Grunt character dreams about his home, but I don't remember it being Forerunner. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 05:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC) |
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| | == Grunt Phrases == |
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| ==Inaccurate Main Image==
| | I once herd my Grunt sing and another time say "Arbiter, read me a story"--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 15:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC) |
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| I'm reverting the main image, because it is of a [http://www.halopedia.org/Covenant_Storm Covenant Storm] grunt, and not a normal grunt. It does not represent the species as a whole. Even though it is our most recent image of a grunt, does not mean we need to use it. [[User talk:SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE|SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE]] 21:10, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
| | :when you hit them sometimes they say"arbiter Friend". {{unsigned|72.184.71.233}} |
| :Why? What makes it different than other Unggoy, other than wearing different armor? It's still an Unggoy, and the image is the most recent canonical image we have, so it should be used.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 21:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
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| ::Just look at them. One kind as an exoskeleton, the other has skin and scutes. They're different species.--[[User talk:Eipok Kruden|Eipok Kruden]] 05:27, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)
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| It's still kind of up in the air as to whether the Storm Grunts in Halo 4 are just redesigned Grunts or a sub-species/mutation - developers seem to be suggesting the latter. If so, they're sort of like Skirmishers - still Kig-Yar, just not the mainstream Kig-Yar [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 22:01, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
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| I agree with Spartacus. When the Elites were updated in Reach, so was their main image. Even though they were bulkier and meaner looking. It's still the same thing. The jackals in CE are still Jackals in Halo Reach. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 14:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
| | In Halo 1, Grunts sometimes sing We Are the Champions after killing you. I've also heard something like "Awesome, guys! Cold Fusion on me!" --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 23:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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| The interactive guide makes it clear that the Halo 4 grunts and just grunts.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 23:38, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
| | Actually this was in Halo 2 I don't really remember the whole thing but it ended with him singing this ..."with the Arbiter", this was on the Sacrid Icon level. Hey have you seen the Invidia trailer on Gametrailers.com? They were like "Not before we destroy you". I love those funny Grunts.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 14:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC) |
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| I agree that we should use the most recent depiction of the species, unless of course it is directly claimed by 343i that the Halo 4 Unggoy are a subspecies, which at this stage seems unlikely. --[[User talk:Cyrannian|Cyrannian]] 15:23, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
| | We also call u b**t**d--[[User:Unggoy|Unggoy]] 16:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
| :It shouldn't be up in the air. They're clearly an entirely different species. The Unggoy in all previous Halo games had chitinous exoskeletons, like arthropods. The Grunts in Halo 4 have rough skin with scutes. It is literally impossible for them to be members of the same species. This isn't a matter of two subspecies, one with dense feathers and a more pronounced beak and one with scutes and ornamental feathers. This is a matter of two totally separate species with completely different skeletal structures, one with a full chitinous exoskeleton and one with osteoderms. Compare the Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5 Grunts. The Halo Reach and 5 Grunts clearly have articulated exoskeletons like arthropods, whereas the Halo 4 Grunts are more like reptiles. This was an attempted retcon/redesign of the species, and I'm just glad that 343i seems to have returned to Bungie's original vision for the Unggoy and given the Halo 5 ones exoskeletons, if the image in this article is accurate. --[[User talk:Eipok Kruden|Eipok Kruden]] 05:21, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)
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| == Tier 4 == | | == Add == |
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| Where exactly is it stated that Unggoy were Tier 4 before the firing of the Array? The visual guide states that ecological collapse due to overindustrialisation happened post reseeding.
| | me believe we should add phrases we grunts say--[[User:Unggoy|Unggoy]] 16:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC) |
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| PS: How do I sign my posts?{{Unsigned|The Master Builder}}
| | Kwassass, an Unggoy from Halo: Ghosts Of Onyx mentioned something about the Blue Death, is that some kind of disease on his planet? User:Joshua 029 |
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| :The [[Bestiarum]]: ''"It is still recovering from '''preactivation''' environmental collapse caused by massive global overindustrialization. It seems that prior to their incorporation into the [Covenant], the Unggoy had yet to [reattain] Tier 4 technologies."'' The visual guide doesn't mention when the catastrophe happened.
| | == Sources == |
| | "Grunts are essentially a slave race, who obey the other Covenant races out of fear, because they have no political power in Covenant society. However, within the Grunt community there is a strong hatred of other species, especially Jackals, and a belief that someday a dynamic Grunt leader will lead them to freedom on a methane-rich paradise world. It has been indicated that at some time in the Covenant's history, there was a Grunt Rebellion, which was quelled, thanks in part to an Arbiter who was named during that period for that purpose. Once the grunt rebellion was defeated, the grunt species was "dumbed down" by the covenant so that such an act could not be repeated. |
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| :You can sign your posts with the third button from the top left of the editing field (the blue pencil right after the "'''B'''" and ''I''). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:28, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
| | Due to their low status, Grunts are not permitted by the Elites to possess family names. They do value their ties to their offspring, but are usually separated from their families at an early age by the requirements of their service to the Covenant. The Grunts resent this greatly, but are unable to muster any response." |
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| == Subtypes ==
| | This should be labeled as speculation or given a source. -Monkeyfoetus. |
| | | [[User:70.58.159.38|70.58.159.38]] 21:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC) |
| After seeing the different subtypes of Kig-Yar get proper names (Ruuhtian = Halo Trilogy and Reach Jackals, Ibie'shan = Halo 4 Jackals and T'vaoan = Skirmishers) I would like to see the same clarification happen for the Unggoy, as the Trilogy/Reach Grunts are obviously vastly different from the Halo 4 ones. The differences are even greater than those of the Kig-Yar subtypes. I for one would be eternally grateful for a confirmed differentiation between the types. Sorry if theres any grammatical mistakes or extra spaces, this was writtern on a tablet [[User:SLiD1nG Pr0Xy|SLiD1nG Pr0Xy]] ([[User talk:SLiD1nG Pr0Xy|talk]]) 20:44, 23 April 2015 (EDT)
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| == Graffix ==
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| Guys, dontcha think we should change the main picture of the Minor Grunt to a Minor Grunt from HCEA? Like, I think it's more detailed that way.
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| == Main image. ==
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| Is there any particular reason why the Infinite Grunt hasn’t replaced the Halo 2 Anniversary Grunt in the main image section? It seems to me like it’s supposed to be the same type of Grunt. There is already a render being used on the Unggoy Conscript page that can be used. [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 04:19, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
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