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==Longswords?== | ==Longswords?== | ||
It is assumed that Keyes' [[Longsword]]s would have been destroyed outside of Earth. [[User:KillerCRS|KillerCRS]] 02:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC) | It is assumed that Keyes' [[Longsword]]s would have been destroyed outside of Earth. [[User:KillerCRS|KillerCRS]] 02:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
Does the frigate really include a squadron of Longswords? Seems far too small for those and at least 4 or 5 pelicans and an albatross. Plus wouldn't Keyes have used the longswords in the battles on Delta Halo? {{unsigned|128.206.178.201}} | Does the frigate really include a squadron of Longswords? Seems far too small for those and at least 4 or 5 pelicans and an albatross. Plus wouldn't Keyes have used the longswords in the battles on Delta Halo? {{unsigned|128.206.178.201}} | ||
Of coarse they have them, and she did use them in the battle of the ark. Remember the one that gets shot down? Also if you go near the crashed pelican it says "Flash two coming about" that is most likley a longsword. -Knife 26 February 17 | Of coarse they have them, and she did use them in the battle of the ark. Remember the one that gets shot down? Also if you go near the crashed pelican it says "Flash two coming about" that is most likley a longsword. -Knife 26 February 17 | ||
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Sure they are small but not that small any UNSC ship would look small compared to a Covenant ship.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 21:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | Sure they are small but not that small any UNSC ship would look small compared to a Covenant ship.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 21:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
I'm simply taking its compliment facts from ''[[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]'' and ''[[Halo 2]]''. Its credulity hasn't registered yet in my mind. cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''' 16:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | I'm simply taking its compliment facts from ''[[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]'' and ''[[Halo 2]]''. Its credulity hasn't registered yet in my mind. cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]][[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 16:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
In Halo: Fall of Reach the Frigate UNSC Commonwealth has at least one squadron of Longswords. Since most frigates/destroyers/cruisers etc are built to standard designs and specifications then it is reasonable to assume that at that point most frigates held longswords. If frigates are built to fufill specifications then the new frigates would also have the capacity to hold longswords. Also the fact that it specifically mentions that Destroyers have No single ships-that suggests to me that destroyers dont have single ships UNLIKE frigates. [[Special:Contributions/81.76.51.222|81.76.51.222]] 23:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC) | In Halo: Fall of Reach the Frigate UNSC Commonwealth has at least one squadron of Longswords. Since most frigates/destroyers/cruisers etc are built to standard designs and specifications then it is reasonable to assume that at that point most frigates held longswords. If frigates are built to fufill specifications then the new frigates would also have the capacity to hold longswords. Also the fact that it specifically mentions that Destroyers have No single ships-that suggests to me that destroyers dont have single ships UNLIKE frigates. [[Special:Contributions/81.76.51.222|81.76.51.222]] 23:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
There's a quote in the Halo 2 announcement trailer, "my frigates are Combat ineffective." should someone include that, or is it not enough? | There's a quote in the Halo 2 announcement trailer, "my frigates are Combat ineffective." should someone include that, or is it not enough? | ||
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those airlocks on the side seem to small when you look at the size comparison showing a marine and a spartan for evan a pelican, and the frigate does not carry longswords not only becaus eit is to small but it is not listed on its equipment list from HBO. [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 20:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC) | those airlocks on the side seem to small when you look at the size comparison showing a marine and a spartan for evan a pelican, and the frigate does not carry longswords not only becaus eit is to small but it is not listed on its equipment list from HBO. [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 20:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
aswell as this the frigates used before had rotating sections the new ones that we have seen on the game use artifical gravity plating indicating that they are upgraded ships and not the same. '''''[[User:J!MMY8806|<font color="blue">J!MMY</font>]]''[[User talk:J!MMY8806|<font color="silver">8806</font>]]''''' 20:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | aswell as this the frigates used before had rotating sections the new ones that we have seen on the game use artifical gravity plating indicating that they are upgraded ships and not the same. '''[[Image:Legendary.jpg|The Legendary difficulty level icon.|20px]]''[[User:J!MMY8806|<font color="blue">J!MMY</font>]]''[[User talk:J!MMY8806|<font color="silver">8806</font>]][[Image:Killimanjaro Medal.gif|22px]]''''' 20:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
Don't these have two MAC guns? Look at the picture... the two MAC guns are in the front. | Don't these have two MAC guns? Look at the picture... the two MAC guns are in the front. | ||
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I think it's logical to assume that there are multiple Frigate classes, as the term Frigate is used to describe ships of a certain tonnage and role. For instance, the UNSC Commonwealth might have been built with larger but fewer bays dedicated to storing Longswords whilst the UNSC In Amber Clad was built with more hanger bays dedicated to Pelicans, though smaller in size. | I think it's logical to assume that there are multiple Frigate classes, as the term Frigate is used to describe ships of a certain tonnage and role. For instance, the UNSC Commonwealth might have been built with larger but fewer bays dedicated to storing Longswords whilst the UNSC In Amber Clad was built with more hanger bays dedicated to Pelicans, though smaller in size. | ||
The only time in game that gives reason to believe frigates have longwords is in Halo 3 when a longsword crashed on The Ark (Level). Halo 2 frigates gave no evidence of carrying Longswords. What if instead of frigates, the sanghelian ships were reinforced with UNSC Longswords to add as much strength as possible for the obviously uneven naval combat that would commence once the humans/elites emerge from the portal. | The only time in game that gives reason to believe frigates have longwords is in Halo 3 when a longsword crashed on The Ark (Level). Halo 2 frigates gave no evidence of carrying Longswords. What if instead of frigates, the sanghelian ships were reinforced with UNSC Longswords to add as much strength as possible for the obviously uneven naval combat that would commence once the humans/elites emerge from the portal. | ||
As for the Commonwealth, perhaps the Longswords were carried externally, or it was retrofitted for extra firepower for its obviously important mission and is not standard pattern. | As for the Commonwealth, perhaps the Longswords were carried externally, or it was retrofitted for extra firepower for its obviously important mission and is not standard pattern. | ||
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I posted a picture on the main Frigate page, comparing the size of a Longsword to The Foward Unto Dawn. They are too big, they is no place on a frigate for them. I hope this can end that debate. | I posted a picture on the main Frigate page, comparing the size of a Longsword to The Foward Unto Dawn. They are too big, they is no place on a frigate for them. I hope this can end that debate. | ||
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Since destroyers have more than double the armour thickness and probably more cross-bracing then that means that frigates have more internal space. | Since destroyers have more than double the armour thickness and probably more cross-bracing then that means that frigates have more internal space. | ||
A 2525 frigate has a squadron of longswords and a 2552 frigate can hold them [[User talk:Molotovsniper|Molotovsniper]] 06:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC) | A 2525 frigate has a squadron of longswords and a 2552 frigate can hold them [[User talk:Molotovsniper|Molotovsniper]] 06:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
A serious look at the two ships will reveal that the hanger bay is too small for longswords, not too mention that they are not in the bay of the Gettysburg on page 275 of first strike, they are in the hanger bay of the Assualt carrier/capital ship ascendant justice. Halo 3 shows that a assualt carrier/capital is capable of housing an entire friage, that is the bay that is being described not the bay of the Gettysburg. Its in the chapter title. | A serious look at the two ships will reveal that the hanger bay is too small for longswords, not too mention that they are not in the bay of the Gettysburg on page 275 of first strike, they are in the hanger bay of the Assualt carrier/capital ship ascendant justice. Halo 3 shows that a assualt carrier/capital is capable of housing an entire friage, that is the bay that is being described not the bay of the Gettysburg. Its in the chapter title. | ||
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"Locklear wheeled the table into the Gettysburg's ''launch'' bay....three Longsword fighter craft were being repaired." [[User talk:Molotovsniper|Molotovsniper]] 16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC) | "Locklear wheeled the table into the Gettysburg's ''launch'' bay....three Longsword fighter craft were being repaired." [[User talk:Molotovsniper|Molotovsniper]] 16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
== 2552? == | == 2552? == | ||
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:Cheers, | :Cheers, | ||
:<tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> 05:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | :<tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 05:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
::TFoR, Chapter Twelve. The ''Commonwealth'' and a small Covenant ship engaged in battle while the Spartans and Dr. Halsey descended to the UNSC Damascus Materials Testing Facility on Chi Cheti 4 to test project MJOLNIR. If that's not action, I don't know what is. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 06:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | ::TFoR, Chapter Twelve. The ''Commonwealth'' and a small Covenant ship engaged in battle while the Spartans and Dr. Halsey descended to the UNSC Damascus Materials Testing Facility on Chi Cheti 4 to test project MJOLNIR. If that's not action, I don't know what is. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 06:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
Yes they've been around longer then we're being lead to belive.--[[User:ryanngreenday|<font color="red">'''ryan'''</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday/Archive|<font color="blue">'''n'''</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''green'''</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''day'''</font>]] 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | Yes they've been around longer then we're being lead to belive.--[[User:ryanngreenday|<font color="red">'''ryan'''</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday/Archive|<font color="blue">'''n'''</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''green'''</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''day'''</font>]] 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
Humanity did not have artificial gravity technology at the time of the Chi Ceti incident (they used centrifugal motion/spinning bits). The frigates seen in the games obviously do. Therefore, it is likely that the ''current'' class of frigate was introduced in 2552, and an older model was in use in 2525. | Humanity did not have artificial gravity technology at the time of the Chi Ceti incident (they used centrifugal motion/spinning bits). The frigates seen in the games obviously do. Therefore, it is likely that the ''current'' class of frigate was introduced in 2552, and an older model was in use in 2525. | ||
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...Is somewhat screwed. would anyone have the knowledge on how to fix it? Because it looks horrid. | ...Is somewhat screwed. would anyone have the knowledge on how to fix it? Because it looks horrid. | ||
:What's wrong? Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|My Name is Helen]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Contribs)</sup>]] [[user:CaptainAdamGraves|<sup>(Helen)</sup>]] | :What's wrong? Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|My Name is Helen]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Contribs)</sup>]] [[user:CaptainAdamGraves|<sup>(Helen)</sup>]] [[Image:CortanaRR.jpg|15px]] 02:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
:The Spacing, the template are all overlapped and not at the bottom, it's all weird.[[User:KillerCRS|KillerCRS]] 03:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC) | :The Spacing, the template are all overlapped and not at the bottom, it's all weird.[[User:KillerCRS|KillerCRS]] 03:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
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== MAC == | == MAC == | ||
this can not be the placeof the MAC as there is a hatch door located thier so unless you can think of a good reason to take a strole into a MAC barrel then this isnt the MAC '''''[[User:J!MMY8806|<font color="blue">J!MMY</font>]]''[[User talk:J!MMY8806|<font color="silver">8806</font>]]''' 16:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC) | this can not be the placeof the MAC as there is a hatch door located thier so unless you can think of a good reason to take a strole into a MAC barrel then this isnt the MAC '''[[Image:Legendary.jpg|The Legendary difficulty level icon.|20px]]''[[User:J!MMY8806|<font color="blue">J!MMY</font>]]''[[User talk:J!MMY8806|<font color="silver">8806</font>]]''' 16:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
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it look nothing like the halcyon class cruise and definatly not a smaller version of the ship [[User:Ralok|Ralok]] 13:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | it look nothing like the halcyon class cruise and definatly not a smaller version of the ship [[User:Ralok|Ralok]] 13:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
Perhaps a different class of Frigate was being talked about? '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font> | Perhaps a different class of Frigate was being talked about? '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Defences == | == Defences == | ||
On the Halo 3 level "The Ark," I can count three 50mm CIWS turrets - one on the Bridge, and two underneath. Does anyone have a different number? '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font> | On the Halo 3 level "The Ark," I can count three 50mm CIWS turrets - one on the Bridge, and two underneath. Does anyone have a different number? '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
If you do the 'camera outside of Sandtrap' glitch, the you can count four 50mm guns in total; two on each side. I may have missed one or so, but I'm pretty certain that there are only four turrets. I'll add the information later when I've double checked. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 01:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | If you do the 'camera outside of Sandtrap' glitch, the you can count four 50mm guns in total; two on each side. I may have missed one or so, but I'm pretty certain that there are only four turrets. I'll add the information later when I've double checked. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 01:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
How does a ship hover in an atmosphere?-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC) | How does a ship hover in an atmosphere?-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
It is possible that UNSC ships have some form of anti-gravity device which facilitates this (The human ships in Stargate are an obvious example). A more humble explanation would be that they use some form of thrust vectoring; essentially vertical engines. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 19:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC) | It is possible that UNSC ships have some form of anti-gravity device which facilitates this (The human ships in Stargate are an obvious example). A more humble explanation would be that they use some form of thrust vectoring; essentially vertical engines. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 19:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Picture of a unsc frigate. Is it worthy of the title picture? == | == Picture of a unsc frigate. Is it worthy of the title picture? == | ||
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== Freight Classes == | == Freight Classes == | ||
If you look at a picture of the back of In Amber Clad and Forward Unto Dawn you can tell that they are of different classes. The cargo bay on the back of Forward Unto Dawn that you jump into at the end of Halo 3 is missing on In Amber Clad. Just wanted to point this out, perhaps In Amber Clad was an older | If you look at a picture of the back of In Amber Clad and Forward Unto Dawn you can tell that they are of different classes. The cargo bay on the back of Forward Unto Dawn that you jump into at the end of Halo 3 is missing on In Amber Clad. Just wanted to point this out, perhaps In Amber Clad was an older freight. Forward Unto Dawn, Aegis Fate, and the third freight that fired on the Forerunner Dreadnought all appear to be of the same class. [[User:Adao1207|Adao1207]] 01:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Adao1207 | ||
That is possible, as Forward Unto Dawn is Miranda's ''new'' ship. | That is possible, as Forward Unto Dawn is Miranda's ''new'' ship. | ||
~Delta-718 | ~Delta-718 | ||
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== MAC == | == MAC == | ||
Do we know which of the bow "prongs" is the MAC? Top or bottom? I'm sure in a Destroyer both would be, but for a Frigate, just the one. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font> | Do we know which of the bow "prongs" is the MAC? Top or bottom? I'm sure in a Destroyer both would be, but for a Frigate, just the one. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 20:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
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This is from Halo 3 when the 3 frigates are firing at the forerunner dreadnought ~Adao1207 | This is from Halo 3 when the 3 frigates are firing at the forerunner dreadnought ~Adao1207 | ||
Then supposse that neither is a MAC, because the flash of fire does not come from either prong. ~Delta-178 | Then supposse that neither is a MAC, because the flash of fire does not come from either prong. ~Delta-178 | ||
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Spell "Laser" right. ppl who say lazer, lasor or lazor are wrong | Spell "Laser" right. ppl who say lazer, lasor or lazor are wrong | ||
:In addition, the lasers are actually emitted by the towers that ring the map, ''not'' the frigate. There's no indication that the ship has laser weaponry at all. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 08:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC) | :In addition, the lasers are actually emitted by the towers that ring the map, ''not'' the frigate. There's no indication that the ship has laser weaponry at all. --<b>[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]][[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 08:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Number of frigates left in the fleet == | == Number of frigates left in the fleet == | ||
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For that matter, how do we know there are ONLY 4 left? Where is this stated? Just because we only saw 3 attack the dreadnaught doesn't mean that's all there are. In many cases, when a smaller force takes heavy losses, they carefully shepard the forces they do have left by moving them to a safe location and only using them when absolutely necessary. So again, where does it say there are only 4 left??? [[User:SpartHawg948|SpartHawg948]] 01:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC) | For that matter, how do we know there are ONLY 4 left? Where is this stated? Just because we only saw 3 attack the dreadnaught doesn't mean that's all there are. In many cases, when a smaller force takes heavy losses, they carefully shepard the forces they do have left by moving them to a safe location and only using them when absolutely necessary. So again, where does it say there are only 4 left??? [[User:SpartHawg948|SpartHawg948]] 01:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
There were only 3 frigates attacking the Forerunner Dreadnaught, yes, but that doesn't mean those were the only frigates left in existence. Other frigates could have still been elsewhere around earth and the entire solar system. Truth never completely secured either the planet or the system, so there could be a sizeable portion of earth's home fleet remaining. | There were only 3 frigates attacking the Forerunner Dreadnaught, yes, but that doesn't mean those were the only frigates left in existence. Other frigates could have still been elsewhere around earth and the entire solar system. Truth never completely secured either the planet or the system, so there could be a sizeable portion of earth's home fleet remaining. | ||
== number of Archer missile pods == | == number of Archer missile pods == | ||
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Someone put that there are 30 Archer missile pods on a UNSC frigate but a UNSC frigate only holds 26. So that should be change back unless the UNSC made new frigates that hold 30 Archer missile pods or bungie put more Archer missile pods on it than it should have. | Someone put that there are 30 Archer missile pods on a UNSC frigate but a UNSC frigate only holds 26. So that should be change back unless the UNSC made new frigates that hold 30 Archer missile pods or bungie put more Archer missile pods on it than it should have. | ||
==Weight== | |||
Do we seriously want to be batting around the frankly impossible weight of 4,000 tons? | |||
The cited dimensions give a volume of around 8,083,936 cubic meters, but obviously the frigate isn’t a big box so let’s chop that by 75% to say 2,020,984 cubic meters. We’ll use basic titanium for density which is 4,500 kilograms per cubic meter. That gives us a mass of 10 MILLION tons, but the ship isn’t just a huge block of titanium obviously so let’s generously say 90% of it is hollow. | |||
Final weight? 1,002,489 million tons. | |||
This estimate is probably rather low as noted since it assumes 90% of the vessel is hollow which is rather unlikely. Just for fun let’s say the ship DOES weigh 4,000 tons well the above noted figures tell us the ship has a volume of about 2,020,984 cubic meters while 4,000 tons equals roughly 3,628,738 kilograms. Thus we have a volume of about 1.79 kilograms per cubic meter. AIR has a mass of 1.204 Kilograms per cubic meter at about room temperature… it wouldn’t QUITE float in an Earth Like Atmosphere, but it would be close. | |||
This estimate is probably rather low as noted since it assumes 90% of the vessel is hollow which is rather unlikely. Just for fun let’s say the ship DOES weigh 4,000 tons well the above noted figures tell us the ship has a volume of about 2,020,984 cubic meters while 4,000 tons equals roughly 3,628,738 kilograms. Thus we have a volume of about 1.79 kilograms per cubic meter. AIR has a mass of 1.204 Kilograms per cubic meter at about room temperature… it wouldn’t QUITE float in an Earth Like Atmosphere, but it would be close. | |||
I vote we Axe this nonsense on the grounds of being bloody impossible. [[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 02:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | I vote we Axe this nonsense on the grounds of being bloody impossible. [[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 02:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Where did we actually get the original figure of 4000 originally? Did we ever have a source, or was it just fanon someone just posted and we didn't notice? And on a related note, I found [http://www.5596.org/cgi-bin/structure.php this] - a calculator for starship weight. I don't think we know all of the neccessary factors yet, but I'd be interested in its initial results... -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 05:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | :Where did we actually get the original figure of 4000 originally? Did we ever have a source, or was it just fanon someone just posted and we didn't notice? And on a related note, I found [http://www.5596.org/cgi-bin/structure.php this] - a calculator for starship weight. I don't think we know all of the neccessary factors yet, but I'd be interested in its initial results... -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 05:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
I have no idea either. Vastly understating starship weight is a long proud tradition among sci-fi authors most of whom are, ironically, really bad at math. Still this is just outrageous as this number makes it less then half the weight of a modern destroyer it’s over three times the length of and probably dozens of times the volume. | I have no idea either. Vastly understating starship weight is a long proud tradition among sci-fi authors most of whom are, ironically, really bad at math. Still this is just outrageous as this number makes it less then half the weight of a modern destroyer it’s over three times the length of and probably dozens of times the volume. | ||
Volume is what determines mass, but how it works is somewhat counter intuitive. Namely volume (which as noted is what determines mass) goes up much faster you might expect with increased size. Still this lacks even that excuse as the number given isn't "heavy, but not heavy enough" it's wildly too light to begin with.--[[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 22:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC) | Volume is what determines mass, but how it works is somewhat counter intuitive. Namely volume (which as noted is what determines mass) goes up much faster you might expect with increased size. Still this lacks even that excuse as the number given isn't "heavy, but not heavy enough" it's wildly too light to begin with.--[[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 22:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
Mr. Nylund has a bachelors degree in chemical physics, though, which requires intimate knowledge of mathematics, so I'd assume he'd know how to calculate a ships mass. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC) | Mr. Nylund has a bachelors degree in chemical physics, though, which requires intimate knowledge of mathematics, so I'd assume he'd know how to calculate a ships mass. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
Apparently not given that I just proved above (with a few minor and logical assumptions) how absurd his number was with high school level math and about half an hour on Google. I didn't know he had a degree in a real science, in chemistry no less! In that case his insane number is even more illogical he MUST have some clue there is no godly way something that large made of metal could be that light. It then smacks not of lack of knowledge, but profound laziness. If he had such a degree and still published that number he can't have considered it for more then 30 seconds or run even the most basic of calculation on it. --[[ | Apparently not given that I just proved above (with a few minor and logical assumptions) how absurd his number was with high school level math and about half an hour on Google. I didn't know he had a degree in a real science, in chemistry no less! In that case his insane number is even more illogical he MUST have some clue there is no godly way something that large made of metal could be that light. It then smacks not of lack of knowledge, but profound laziness. If he had such a degree and still published that number he can't have considered it for more then 30 seconds or run even the most basic of calculation on it. --[[Special:Contributions/65.188.242.2|65.188.242.2]] 01:21, September 26, 2009 (UTC) | ||
If these vessels were truly so light, then any MAC round delivered over 10-40Km/s would be capable of tossing the ship about with ease due to the limited acceleration of UNSC vessels. The sheer recoil of a delivery mechanism punching out a 600 ton round at 0.4c (as some have postulated) would be sufficient as to apply an impulse of 71,950,189,800,000 kilogram-meter/second, which to a tiny 4000 ton vessel would be the equivalent of an 18,000km/s push in the opposite direction. I sincerely doubt the UNSC have the thrusters to compensate for a thousandfold increase in velocity. | If these vessels were truly so light, then any MAC round delivered over 10-40Km/s would be capable of tossing the ship about with ease due to the limited acceleration of UNSC vessels. The sheer recoil of a delivery mechanism punching out a 600 ton round at 0.4c (as some have postulated) would be sufficient as to apply an impulse of 71,950,189,800,000 kilogram-meter/second, which to a tiny 4000 ton vessel would be the equivalent of an 18,000km/s push in the opposite direction. I sincerely doubt the UNSC have the thrusters to compensate for a thousandfold increase in velocity. | ||
:how would a Magnetic Acceleration system produce recoil? i keep hearing people say it would but i have yet to hear an english explenation. untill i get one i believe the recoil would be insubstantial if at all existant. | :how would a Magnetic Acceleration system produce recoil? i keep hearing people say it would but i have yet to hear an english explenation. untill i get one i believe the recoil would be insubstantial if at all existant. | ||
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I was watching "Aliens" and the UNSC Frigate looks breathtakingly simalair to the marines ship on aliens. Also the female marine from the halo series is the same nationality as the one in aliens and the sargeant in aliens is a wisecracking african-american with a cigar always in his mouth Just like seargeant johnson. The marines armour and weapons are also simaliar. Additionally there are posters on the Pillar of Autumn on Halo CE which read "Missing cat, answers to Jonsey", the cat in aliens was named jonesy. I LOVE Halo and would not want bungie to get in trouble, but i felt the need to voice my concerns. [[User talk:Index3769|Index3769]] 00:35, September 5, 2009 (UTC) | I was watching "Aliens" and the UNSC Frigate looks breathtakingly simalair to the marines ship on aliens. Also the female marine from the halo series is the same nationality as the one in aliens and the sargeant in aliens is a wisecracking african-american with a cigar always in his mouth Just like seargeant johnson. The marines armour and weapons are also simaliar. Additionally there are posters on the Pillar of Autumn on Halo CE which read "Missing cat, answers to Jonsey", the cat in aliens was named jonesy. I LOVE Halo and would not want bungie to get in trouble, but i felt the need to voice my concerns. [[User talk:Index3769|Index3769]] 00:35, September 5, 2009 (UTC) | ||