Editing Talk:UNSC Pillar of Autumn

==POA Map?==
[[File:HaloCE-Maw-PoA-Fore-Crash.jpg|thumb|POA on Halo]]Someone should make a map of the autumn cause that would be cool with with everything from front to back. Also does anyone know what those 2 people in that skybox like window in the Bridge are soposed to be doing in in the Piller Of Autumn level.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 22:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
:[http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_poaconundrum/images/POA-Full-Int-Ext.jpg Here] is a map. Bungie didn't design the inside and the outside to be the same scale, though. I don't know about the other. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 23:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

How about more pictures of the Bridge?--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 21:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well i tried to make a paint map.[[User:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 20:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

==Timeline Confusion==
I read the Fall of Reach. When did The Autumn land on Reach and needed Noble Six to help them escape? I know the levels says it happened on August 30, 2552, but from what I remember, in August 30, the following happened:
*The Autumn engaged Covenant in space.

*In space, Keyes sent 2 teams of SPARTAN-IIs: Blue Team (to destroy UNSC Circumference's data base) and Red Team (to protect MAC guns shield generators).

*Blue Team (John and wounded Linda, James went MIA because of his damaged T-Pack) and 4 Marines, returned to the Autumn.

*Cortana "random" slipspace jumped the Autumn to Alpha Halo (Installation 04)

*More things happened after that, but the Autumn was not involved.
Can someone explain when and how the Autumn got on Reach?


Thanks, S331 13:32, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

:The Autumn had been on Reach for a while, undergoing modifications. If the rest of that FoR section is canon, the Autumn then deploys SPARTANs before evacuating from the system.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 13:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)''
::So let me get this straight: all those things I listed happened after Noble Six helped PoA to escape Reach? Thanks for replying anyways S331 14:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
:::To me, it would seem that they happened before Noble Six helps the PoA escape. The ''Autumn'' partook in the space battle earlier in the day, and was going to jump away, but returned to Reach to the drydock for some reason, possibly for repairs or to retrieve the data delivered by Noble Team. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:52, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

::::That's possible. The detail I'm unsure about is the whole "marines putting on several house-sized ejectable engines within a few minutes" situation. I would prefer that they simply flew back to Reach for repairs.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 15:14, September 16, 2010 (UTC)''

:::::They had several hours to attach those rockets. I'm pretty sure they did that in space before they landed in Aszod, as the Autumn wasn't rated to land in atmosphere and as such, would need the additional engines to make a successful landing. Plus, who said the engines weren't already attached to the Autumn before the battle? They may also serve the purpose of the emergency thrusters mentioned in the book. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the discussion. I think the Autumn landed on Reach after the Chief and Linda returned, and landed there for repairs + package. Somewhat of an eye opener. [[User:Spartan331|S331]] 16:21, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
:::::btw, am I the only one who thinks the PoA in these two scenes are placed in an awfully similar way? 
File:Reach 3889544 Full.jpg|200px File:HaloCE-Maw-PoA-Critical.png|200px[[User:Spartan331|S331]] 03:57, 16 November 2010 (EST)

==Navy==
In the section of this article it doesn't include the spartans even though they are part of the navy--[[User:Irving|Irving]] 00:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

==Zeta Doradus?==
If you read page 238 in The Fall of Reach it says:"Halcyon-class ships were pulled from long-term storage--they were designed to be scrapped, in fact. The Autumn was refit in 2550, to serve in the current conflict in near Zeta Doradus," and we all know what planet the Zeta Doradus system holds--[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 17:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, I thought about that too, but nothing else came of it, apparently. -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

==310%==
I'm not sure if I should ask but I just went over Halo:FOR and I saw the POA's engine output could be boosted to 300%, where was 310% mentioned. It may seem like an insignificant thing but I have nothing better to do then look at fine details.
[[User:James-001|James-001]] 23:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
:Change it if its wrong. -[[User:ED|ED]] 17:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== Emergency Thrusters ==

The PoA was missing it's port emergency thrusters, but they are used twice (Fall of Reach pages 271, 292, 320).--[[User:Raptor117|Raptor117]] 01:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:That is noted on the [[List of Inconsistencies in Halo]] article. -[[User:ED|ED]] 17:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== What logo? ==

If you stare hard enough at the ship's side, you will see a Marathon logo imprinted. There are larger images in the talk page on the MAC gun. -Blemo 02:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Archer Missle Pods ==

I thought 128 was a bit unusual, so I checked the source, it said "30 across, 10 Down" That could be 40...but that could also mean 300! It also said that each of them carried DozenS of missles. HELP!--[[User:JohnSpartan117]] 23:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:I thought it was 300 pods for a total of hundreds of missiles. It's been proven that hundreds of missiles are needed to cause any type of significant damage to any Covenant ship, and the UNSC would have compensated by adding this many missiles. It's enough missile pods to fill a shuttle bay, and the [[Pillar of Autumn]] was a large ship with ample space for that many pods.[[User:The one092001|The one092001]] 19:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It has already been proven in the Halo novels that the Autumn supported THOUSANDS of archer missiles, she was refitted prior to the battle for Reach to take a squad of spartans into Covenant space so the Autumn was deliberately fitted with well over the normal limit of armaments aboard UNSC ships. Basically she had HUNDREDS of pods, therefore, THOUSANDS of missiles. Kaosobsidian 21:45 20th December 2007.

==Scorpion Tank Complement==

I personally remember seeing at least 8 Scorpion tanks in the [[Autumn]]'s bay. Two were sitting on each of the four landing pads, for at least 8 in that bay although I'm not certain how many others were stored elsewhere.[[User:The one092001|The one092001]] 19:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Stationary ==

Is it worth noting in the trivia section that in the cinematics the Pillar of Autumn is not moving? Or would this be better suited in the Pillar of Autumn (Level) page. This is pointed out in the Legendary Edition DVD, by the way. [[User:Jimberson|Fred]] 11:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

:Exept in the Ending scene of the PoA level, where it overtakes the lifeboat the chiefs on.[[User:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 20:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

::That's the camera movement, not the Autumn's--[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 22:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

:So how does the pod go in front then ends up behind? AND... Cortanas quote in the pod would make sence with the ship moving.[[User:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 20:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

::because the pod WAS moving. Try watching the dvd

:::Its a simple camera trick, I believe. In terms of canon, yeah, the Autumn is moving. But since the Pillar of Autumn is a static object in the ''game'', Bungie moved the pod and camera to give the illusion of movement. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 10:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Cleanup==
This needs some cleanup. The History section. It was uusing an unofficial version of the "3 make that 4 kills" part. Also, it has no information of the lifeboats. I ahve had to add some myself.[[User:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 20:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== pillar of autumn  ==

what are them pointy things on the poa's bow.



First: I think they are candy sticks jk

Second: Please sign your post

[[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 04:25, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Problably some sort of MAC guns[[User talk:Spartan238|Adrian Shephard]] 04:18, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

They may be sensors of some sort.[[Special:Contributions/98.154.61.193|98.154.61.193]] 23:15, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

==Marathon-class Cruiser?==
[[File:Battle_of_Reach.jpg|thumb]]
The ship on this image is seems to be Marathon-class rather than the Halcyon-class. Is this just Bungie's mistake?



yes[[User talk:God2845|God2845]] 16:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== i thought... ==

it was destroyed in the first level

:It crash-lended in the first level on Halo. the Covenant then captured the wreck. Later, the ODST's that abandoned the ship raided it for suppllies and food. When the Master Chief had to destroy Halo, he caused the fusion core to destabilize and the resulting explosion destroyed halo. Does that help any??--[[User talk:Arabsbananas|Arabsbananas]] 18:08, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
that reminds me, when the ODST's raided it they would have marked its place, but when MC came along he needed to find the PoA.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 03:51, April 11, 2010 (UTC)



oh.

== Quote ==

I changed the quote from the prophet of Regret to the prophet of Truth. I listened to that part, and it seemed pretty obvious to me.

== Lifepods ==

Where is the lifepod numbers from?

and the ones that say "Lifeboats destroyed by the Covenant to make way for a Boarding Craft." what if they got out and then the boarding craft got in? at least have something like unknown what happend to them. [[User talk:Voy101|Voy101]]

:At one point, some marines head over to an airlock to evacuate. Then there's a huge explosion as the boarding craft crushes the lifeboat to make way for it.-- ||||

If their is a Lifepod 63, then their should be a least 63 lifepod, right?? Not 18+, besides 18 lifepods could only carry around 107 people, only a tiny part of the crew, assuming they whern't destroyed by whatever caused the crew to abandon ship. 63 lifepods could carry about 567 people, a large part of the crew and makes more sense seeing as most (modern) ships have enough lifeboats to carry at least half the crew. Would it be alright if I change that??--'''<span style="background:Brown;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Arabsbananas|<font color="White">CR8ZY-ArAB</font>]]</span>''' 01:47, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Tripulation ==

If not badly I remember, one year ago the crew of the [[UNSC Pillar of Autumn]] was of '''20000''', but now it turns out that it is of '''2000'''. I ask nicely the managers of Halopedia to clarify the doubt. Please, thank you very much.
--[[User talk:H A L O Legend|H A L O Legend]] 23:02, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

== Hangars/Launch Bays==
Can I get a confirmation on eight hangar bays? I thought we were only given that there was a launch bay seven (something that had to have been facing forward as given by the opening's exterior hull model and the size itself), possibly above the three prongs/blast shields at the bottom of the ship. At any rate, if the bay did face forward (which it seems to in-game), it would be okay for there to be an odd number of bays. I'm just wondering if the eight number is an assumption or an absolute fact.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 10:33, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

== Autumn in Origins ==

I didn't look that carefully, but how do we know that the Halcyon in the asteroid field is the Pillar of Autumn?

Because in FoR, the ''Autumn'' fought a covenant vessel int eh asteroids, and there was only one other halcyon cruise left in active service, the ''[[UNSC Dawn Under Heaven]]'' [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Blue">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:48, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

== Halcyon/POA modifications ==

Should'nt this page be broken up into 3 sections as all the details are mixed, the Pillar of Autumn was a very differant ship when it was first used and then eventually mothballed, then later for the Human Covenant war it was brought back out into service with some modifications, it is then badly damaged at Arcadia and then at a later date it is modified once again for the spartan mission.


To save confusion this ships modifications should be displayed separatly to show its evolution as in each incarnation it is never the same. The same should apply to the halcyon class itself as no ship could have remained exactlyy the same throughout the whole war from its initial launch.[[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 05:21, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

==Better Picture ==

anyone have a pic of the reimagined PoA Halo: CE beginning because that seems to show more detail than the ship-braking yards--[[Special:Contributions/97.106.137.90|97.106.137.90]] 15:43, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:I'd like to add to that: a better picture should be added not only from ''Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary'', but also from ''Halo: Reach'', like a transparent cutout image would definitely be nice. I know the image I uploaded of CommanderTony's ''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser may not be enough, especially because it is quite possibly somewhat out of date compared to other higher-quality screenshots from other, newer Halo video games. Actually, come to think of it, both the ''Pillar of Autumn'' of ''Halo: Reach'' and ''Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary'' are aesthetically the same, considering 343i is using graphic assets from ''Halo: Reach''. Also, I think that whatever new image is made should also be posted in the [[Halcyon-class light cruiser|''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser]] article as well. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 14:01, 15 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:'''UPDATE''': Got plenty of new images both from ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo: Reach''. So no need to worry anymore. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 09:59, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

==Changes Section==
Shouldn't there be a Changes section on how it was designed and redesigned in the ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo: Reach''? Something like a compare and contrast type of thing from game to game. I feel it is important that it be added so people can see more of a difference. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 09:59, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:Well, one sentence ought to do it: ''"The Pillar of Autumn was redesigned in ''Halo: Reach'', now sporting additional antennas, visible defense turrets/cannons, <insert-more-changes-here>."'' Honestly (and joking aside), the design changes wasn't that drastic enough for the article to even consider having a Changes section. Compared to H4's redesign of almost everything, PoA's redesign is expected and falls within fan's satisfactory threshold. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:23, 9 July 2013 (EDT)

::Well, put that way, I guess that should be more than enough. It is enough to leave it at that. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 11:39, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

==ODST numbers==
How can there be 530 ODSTs but only 400 marines? {{Unsigned|162.234.136.110}}

:Probably because the ODSTs were assigned to the Autumn to support the Spartans in Operation RED FLAG, while the Marines were either from the original complement, or stragglers from Reach desperate to get offworld. I highly doubt either number is the typical complement of a UNSC cruiser. The Autumn was the exception to a lot of rules. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:22, 27 November 2015 (EST)
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 It has already been proven in the Halo novels that the Autumn supported THOUSANDS of archer missiles, she was refitted prior to the battle for Reach to take a squad of spartans into Covenant space so the Autumn was deliberately fitted with well over the normal limit of armaments aboard UNSC ships. Basically she had HUNDREDS of pods, therefore, THOUSANDS of missiles. Kaosobsidian 21:45 20th December 2007.
-Why does Halo Warfleet claim that the PoA has only 32 pods? Or rather, they seem to count pods as 5-tube groups, since the visual model has 32x5 Archer pods, or 160 pods. I wonder, should one either change the nomenclature of the wiki (refering to pods as 5-tube groups), or change the description here to either 160 or 32x5 for the sake of internal consistency?
---[[User:Hakura 99|Hakura 99]] ([[User talk:Hakura 99|talk]]) 07:48, February 19, 2021 (EST)
 ==Scorpion Tank Complement==
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 ::because the pod WAS moving. Try watching the dvd
-:::Its a simple camera trick, I believe. In terms of canon, yeah, the Autumn is moving. But since the Pillar of Autumn is a static object in the ''game'', Bungie moved the pod and camera to give the illusion of movement. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 10:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
+:::Its a simple camera trick, I believe. In terms of canon, yeah, the Autumn is moving. But since the Pillar of Autumn is a static object in the ''game'', Bungie moved the pod and camera to give the illusion of movement. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 10:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
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 How can there be 530 ODSTs but only 400 marines? {{Unsigned|162.234.136.110}}
-:Probably because the ODSTs were assigned to the Autumn to support the Spartans in Operation RED FLAG, while the Marines were either from the original complement, or stragglers from Reach desperate to get offworld. I highly doubt either number is the typical complement of a UNSC cruiser. The Autumn was the exception to a lot of rules. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:22, 27 November 2015 (EST)
+:Probably because the ODSTs were assigned to the Autumn to support the Spartans in Operation RED FLAG, while the Marines were either from the original complement, or stragglers from Reach desperate to get offworld. I highly doubt either number is the typical complement of a UNSC cruiser. The Autumn was the exception to a lot of rules. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:22, 27 November 2015 (EST)
-==Longsword Numbers==
-How can there be only 5 Longswords onboard? Halo: Warfleet states that the UNSC Pillar of Autumn had only 5 Longswords on board but it lost 5 during the Fall of Reach and had two escorting in Halo: Combat Evolved, and then there is the one Chief used to escape? So shouldn't the number be 8? Should a note be made about the correct amount or should the inconsistency be ignored and just accept what Halo: Warfleet states?