Editing Talk:UNSC Infinity

== Halo 4 ==
Nothing on Halo 4?

You'll have to forgive me becuse I'm new to the wiki but here gose nothing. I noticed that there wasn't anything about what it could be doing in Halo 4. Are there any leads about that that people can't put in the artical becuse it's unconfirmed? [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 01:30, 11 November 2011 (EST)
:Considering the game is still over a year from release, it's not surprising at all that there is no info on what it's doing in Halo 4 as of yet.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Lt. Commander</span>]]''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:cyan">光环的家伙1234</span>]] '''''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]''''' ''([[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:gold">Contribs</span>]])'' '''([[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:cyan">Edits</span>]])''' 01:35, 11 November 2011 (EST)
The UNSC Infinity has been mentioned various times in association with Halo 4. The artwork of the Infinity is from the Halo 4 panel. [[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]

== Already? ==
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could have been made already.  First of all, the first time they have ever even seen Forerunner technology was just 4 (or so) months ago when Cortana came back to Earth.  Second, humanity and ONI are now just jumping on the idea of '''Covenant''' technology, the technology that Cortana brought back, that the Separatists are showing them, and the amount they have been able to reverse-engineer; much less something like Forerunners.  Third, Cortana only brought back software, and they have only been able to see actual Forerunner hardware on Trevelyan.  Fourth, ships take a long time to make, I don't care if you're talking about a super-advanced Covenant warship or a UNSC battle-cruiser.  Ships take a LONG time to make.  So I don't see how they could have constructed anything in that time.

So I have a few theories.  Maybe this originally started out as the UNSC just building an experimental really-awesome, super huge and super powerful warship..  But then after they started discovering Covenant technology (i.e., incorporating plasma hand-held weapons on a large scale), they changed it from just a really strong warship, to a place to test out their attempts at reverse engineering Covenant technology on a large scale (and stuff like the Ascendant Justice helped speed that along quite well).  Then, after they got the Halo data, they changed it from a Covenant reverse-engineering project to a Forerunner data incorporation program.

So the way I picture Infinity is not a well uniformed, perfectly functional Forerunner warship.  Rather a clunky, very jumbled piece of ship-ery.  With some parts being advanced human warship, some parts being attempted Covenant reverse engineering, and some (probably the smallest, read my first reason in the first paragraph) parts being attempted reverse-enginnered Forerunner technology.

Also this is not to say at all that Infinity will be anything '''close''' to even the weakest of Forerunner ships, for reasons like the ones I said above and things like it took the Covenant ''thousands'' of years to reverse-engineer their technology to the level that they had, and it still wasn't anything '''close''' to achieving its full power.

So yeah, I like to think of Infinity as a very jumbled, very ununiform piece of technology.  Think of it as a mid-pubecent teenager. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  18:34, 12 November 2011 (EST)!

:You don't give Humanity very much credit. They have had extensive access to Forerunner artifacts since 2531 on Arcadia. Also, Halsey had access to that Forerunner complex on Reach for like a year. Noble team spent what seemed like an hour as she dowloaded all of her data. You're right when you say it was probably already a different class, but they did have lots of time to create the enchancements. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 08:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)

::Yeah, but the San Shyuum' had unrestricted access to a fucking Forerunner Dreadnought for thousands of years and look how much they managed to reverse engineer it. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  10:57, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

::Fatalsnipe: they do have access to those artefacts, but I would have assume that to crack that Forerunner technology would require within a century to crack it. It took a group of human scientists almost 20+ years to construct a proper shielding system for the MJOLNIR using Kig-yar defense gauntlet as a reference, a technology that was alien to them and almost non-existent. Those scientists were still unable to figure out how Covenant weapons function (i.e. Needler being the best example) even till the end of the Human-Covenant War. But within several years after the war, they manage to crack every alien technology as if they've stumbled upon a "How-To-Use/DIY" manual? It's all too iffy to me.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)

:::Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - [[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park|when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!]] -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, but when Pirates of the Carribean breaks down, it doesn't cause a cataclysmic slipspace eruption that swallows the ship. Lol, I had to. Anyways, I agree, it isn't ''likely'' but it is feasible. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 17:16, 13 November 2011 (EST)

::::And that is the question: what is the data recovered from the Halo? I would say building Forerunner legos; you can almost build anything with [http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/8/89/Imagination.gif the power of imagination]! :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 17:26, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Yeah, like I said, Forerunner.  It definitely isn't perfect, and in my mind I picture it as more of a clunky, jumbled-up thing rather than a fully functional Forerunner ship of war. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  17:25, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

I'm assuming humanity's Reclaimer status also had something to do with our rapid grasp of Forerunner technology - either that or it was part of the geas implanted by the Forerunners [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 23:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Hmmm, didn't think of that.  Which is funny because I was the one who came up with that theory in the first place, derp. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  23:12, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

Humanity also had all the of the Huragok they brought back on the Gettysburg, and then Vergil. So they could have quickly managed to bring things online... and we don't know how long M.P. and Oni have known about Installation 03. A functioning sane Monitor, or... even an insane one... could have helped them along. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 23:40, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Actually, at the beginning it says that they had 5 more Halos to find.  Which means that they had known about Installation 03 for around 4 months AT MOST. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  19:59, 15 November 2011 (EST)

I personally think that humanity would really be that fast with forerunner technologie. Because the San Shyuum didn't acces the Dreadnought they also didn't found other thinks, see contact Harvest. The humans however, didn't mind toutching the forerunner tech, and as such they would be faster with engineering!--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 13:23, 23 December 2011 (EST)
*True, but you're forgetting the thousands of years when the San 'Shyuum locked themselves in the Dreadnought and while they were in space. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!

Just a reminder, Glasslands said that workers were stationed in the Oort cloud over several YEARS, not months. Obviously this tells me they began working on the ship at least sometime between 2540-2552. Humans were reverse-engineering covenant technology since 2532, so the UNSC Infinity makes perfect sense. They simply made the decision to conceal it from the covenant (and everyone else) by enforcing a communications blackout and having it constructed somewhere the covenant wouldn't give a crap about. Thus humanity was given an opportunity to pour every piece of covenant & forerunner tech into it without it being destroyed like other advance tech before it. Also it is quite possible that there is more than one of these kinds of ships being constructed in the same place considering there were two "Infinity's" in the concept picture. Hopefully Halo 4 and the sequel to Glasslands will explain what we want to know.--[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 15:00, 17 January 2012 (EST)
*Hmm.. Interesting theory.. I will keep that in the back of my head.--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 15:20, 17 January 2012 (EST)
*Even a modern, non-space ship, takes many many years to build.  But yeah, which is exactly why I said what I said in the initial post.  So does that mean you agree? '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!

:I agree with you that the ship could have taken many years to build. However, considering it's the 2500's, construction methods & times may be a lot different than today and it may take shorter amounts of time to construct massive mile-long ships than ever thought possible. Also, I just don't agree with your theory that not much development/research had gone into covey/forn tech until Cortana came back w/ 4 months worth of forerunner tech. I'm basically going off canon info- seeing that the UNSC had a prototype tank that fired plasma rounds in 2531, that tech could have been shipped back to the ''Infinity'' construction site- it even says: "...the data gleaned from the Rhino's development and use was later used on other projects." So to me it's quite possible. Now maybe not much forerunner tech had been reversed-engineered, so it may not be much of a comparison w/ actual forerunner ships, but humanity is just getting back on their feet after years of fighting a powerful foe. Give them a chance! My bad for talking your head off but hard to explain myself in short sentences.--[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 13:39, 22 February 2012 (EST)

== Concern over updated image ==


I found an updated, higher quality image of the UNSC Infinity. This is NOT a scan therefore it is allowed. Images of the same nature are allowed on this site so why not this one? 
The main image for this article is taken from a camera and is poorer quality than this one and is also outdated since the new UNSC logo is visible on the ship. It's the same image that we have on the article except it has the Game Informer logo on it.
--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 15:38, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

== First appearance in The Thursday War? ==

Since the Infinity is clearly seen on the cover of The Thursday War, would this make it the first actual appearance and not Halo 4? --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 19:25, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

:Nope. It first appeared in the concept art of Halo 4. That should be its first appearance since that was first revealed to the public. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  19:33, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

Though when Noble Team first appeared in [[Deliver Hope]], that counts as their first appearance, not Reach. So if the Infinity is in The Thursday War (not a reference, but it's actually in the book) then it counts as a first appearance while Halo 4 will be a first in-game appearance. Many Halo elements appeared in the books first. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 04:36, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

:While I will still stick to my opinion, I don't know how we can resolve this appearance issue. Perhaps the users behind these "List of appearances" project could provide their input? — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:00, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
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+== Halo 4 ==
-== Drives ==
+Nothing on Halo 4?
-''Mythos'' (p132) says the ship has repulsor engines. ''H4 EVG'' identifies them as "XR2 Boglin Fields: S81/X-DFR". Assuming DFR refers to "deuterium fusion reactor" (which we have assumed so far) it seems somewhat out of place for engines so technologically different to be grouped in the same category as humanity's more conventional fusion thrusters. In all fairness, it could be that the engines use repulsor technology and only derive their power from deuterium-deuterium reactors, while the "X" before the "DFR" could indicate "experimental" or "xeno" or something similar. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 02:53, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+You'll have to forgive me becuse I'm new to the wiki but here gose nothing. I noticed that there wasn't anything about what it could be doing in Halo 4. Are there any leads about that that people can't put in the artical becuse it's unconfirmed? [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 01:30, 11 November 2011 (EST)
+:Considering the game is still over a year from release, it's not surprising at all that there is no info on what it's doing in Halo 4 as of yet.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Lt. Commander</span>]]''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:cyan">光环的家伙1234</span>]] '''''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]''''' ''([[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:gold">Contribs</span>]])'' '''([[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:cyan">Edits</span>]])''' 01:35, 11 November 2011 (EST)
+The UNSC Infinity has been mentioned various times in association with Halo 4. The artwork of the Infinity is from the Halo 4 panel. [[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
-:Yeah, [[:File:Infinity_fud_scale.jpg|DFR does we refer to "deuterium fusion reactor"]]. Perhaps replusor engine is being used as a descriptor? Not sure if that would make much sense though. It most likely is your last point. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 11:14, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+== Already? ==
+I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could have been made already.  First of all, the first time they have ever even seen Forerunner technology was just 4 (or so) months ago when Cortana came back to Earth.  Second, humanity and ONI are now just jumping on the idea of '''Covenant''' technology, the technology that Cortana brought back, that the Separatists are showing them, and the amount they have been able to reverse-engineer; much less something like Forerunners.  Third, Cortana only brought back software, and they have only been able to see actual Forerunner hardware on Trevelyan.  Fourth, ships take a long time to make, I don't care if you're talking about a super-advanced Covenant warship or a UNSC battle-cruiser.  Ships take a LONG time to make.  So I don't see how they could have constructed anything in that time.
-::Ah, I'd forgotten about that schematic. Given that "repulsor engine" is a proper in-universe term for Covenant-style drives, I doubt it's simply a descriptor. I suspect it's a semi-retcon to make the ''Infinity'''s engines out to be more advanced, though it's not too much of a stretch to assume the deuterium reactors only serve as the power plants rather than expelling their fusion exhaust for thrust like in traditional human drives. It's still surprisingly low-tech seeing as the slipspace drive is apparently powered by a vacuum energy siphon (also per ''Mythos''), but it's possible they couldn't rig that to power the sublight drives since the indication is that they essentially just strapped a Forerunner drive to the ship and are lucky even that works as well as it does. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 13:08, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+So I have a few theories.  Maybe this originally started out as the UNSC just building an experimental really-awesome, super huge and super powerful warship..  But then after they started discovering Covenant technology (i.e., incorporating plasma hand-held weapons on a large scale), they changed it from just a really strong warship, to a place to test out their attempts at reverse engineering Covenant technology on a large scale (and stuff like the Ascendant Justice helped speed that along quite well).  Then, after they got the Halo data, they changed it from a Covenant reverse-engineering project to a Forerunner data incorporation program.
-:::The difference can be as simple as in a car example as the gasoline and the engine. The fusion reactor may just be what powers the alien-inspired repulsor engine. As for the grouping, I thinkk the categories are just main sublight engine and slipspace drive, whatever their technological origin. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 18:47, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+So the way I picture Infinity is not a well uniformed, perfectly functional Forerunner warship.  Rather a clunky, very jumbled piece of ship-ery.  With some parts being advanced human warship, some parts being attempted Covenant reverse engineering, and some (probably the smallest, read my first reason in the first paragraph) parts being attempted reverse-enginnered Forerunner technology.
-== image is too small ==
+Also this is not to say at all that Infinity will be anything '''close''' to even the weakest of Forerunner ships, for reasons like the ones I said above and things like it took the Covenant ''thousands'' of years to reverse-engineer their technology to the level that they had, and it still wasn't anything '''close''' to achieving its full power.
-Can we make the dimensions larger?[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 03:59, 10 December 2016 (EST)
+So yeah, I like to think of Infinity as a very jumbled, very ununiform piece of technology.  Think of it as a mid-pubecent teenager. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  18:34, 12 November 2011 (EST)!
-== Infinity's cannons ==
+:You don't give Humanity very much credit. They have had extensive access to Forerunner artifacts since 2531 on Arcadia. Also, Halsey had access to that Forerunner complex on Reach for like a year. Noble team spent what seemed like an hour as she dowloaded all of her data. You're right when you say it was probably already a different class, but they did have lots of time to create the enchancements. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 08:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-It's described that the UNSC Infinity sports four super-heavy MACs, but why does she feature a fifth barrel modelled at the front section? Is there a reason for this, or is it just a modelling error? --[[User:Shadow-Hunter|Shadow-Hunter]]. (talk) 09:33, 12 March 2017 (EDT)
+::Yeah, but the San Shyuum' had unrestricted access to a fucking Forerunner Dreadnought for thousands of years and look how much they managed to reverse engineer it. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  10:57, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
-:The latter. That error is fixed in ''Halo 5''. --[[User:Dr Mutran|They&#39;re coming. They&#39;re hungry.]] ([[User talk:Dr Mutran|talk]]) 11:22, 12 March 2017 (EDT)
+::Fatalsnipe: they do have access to those artefacts, but I would have assume that to crack that Forerunner technology would require within a century to crack it. It took a group of human scientists almost 20+ years to construct a proper shielding system for the MJOLNIR using Kig-yar defense gauntlet as a reference, a technology that was alien to them and almost non-existent. Those scientists were still unable to figure out how Covenant weapons function (i.e. Needler being the best example) even till the end of the Human-Covenant War. But within several years after the war, they manage to crack every alien technology as if they've stumbled upon a "How-To-Use/DIY" manual? It's all too iffy to me.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-==Waterproof==
+:::Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - [[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park|when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!]] -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-I can'r believe we are actually having this conversation, but it must be said that it is extremely silly to say the Infinity is waterproof. What does that even mean? Ken was just answering a question and was overthinking it and thinking about how the internal systems of any ship would respond to any leak in its water supply. If someone wants to artfully explain what he actually said, Okay. Don't just say "The infinity is waterproof". Come on now, lol.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 23:33, 17 January 2018 (EST)TheEld
+::::Yeah, but when Pirates of the Carribean breaks down, it doesn't cause a cataclysmic slipspace eruption that swallows the ship. Lol, I had to. Anyways, I agree, it isn't ''likely'' but it is feasible. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 17:16, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-:Yeah, this is silly. I can tell you the notion of its 'waterproofness' was not a topic of discussion during Warfleet production. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:30, 18 January 2018 (EST)
-Here. https://youtu.be/aE_O_it1Q5k?t=4530. [[User:AlertFiend|AlertFiend]] - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. <small>([[User talk:AlertFiend|Converse]]) </small> 21:58, 18 January 2018 (EST)
+::::And that is the question: what is the data recovered from the Halo? I would say building Forerunner legos; you can almost build anything with [http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/8/89/Imagination.gif the power of imagination]! :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 17:26, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-==Crew counts==
+Yeah, like I said, Forerunner.  It definitely isn't perfect, and in my mind I picture it as more of a clunky, jumbled-up thing rather than a fully functional Forerunner ship of war. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  17:25, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
-I noted something curious. And I am "guessing" that the Halo 4 booklet that had numbers only applies in February 2558. And isnt accurate in Late 2558 which we may have gotten numbers for in Halo Warfleet.
-*Halo 4 Thornes book (February 2558)
+I'm assuming humanity's Reclaimer status also had something to do with our rapid grasp of Forerunner technology - either that or it was part of the geas implanted by the Forerunners [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 23:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-**Total Crew: 17,151
-**Naval - 8954, Marine - 6021, Intelligence - 1699, Civilian - 477
-*Halo Warfleet (Late 2558 Refit?)
+Hmmm, didn't think of that.  Which is funny because I was the one who came up with that theory in the first place, derp. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  23:12, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
-**Total Crew: 18,262 (Spartans not included)
-**Navy - 8900, ONI - 1700, UEG - 480, Swords of Sangheilios - 24, Special Assets - 8
-**Marines - 5400, Spartans - [REDACTED], Army - 800, ODST - 750, Air Force 200
-Regardless I am hoping to at least get this out there so its written down.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 10:51, 19 March 2018 (EDT)
+Humanity also had all the of the Huragok they brought back on the Gettysburg, and then Vergil. So they could have quickly managed to bring things online... and we don't know how long M.P. and Oni have known about Installation 03. A functioning sane Monitor, or... even an insane one... could have helped them along. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 23:40, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-:You're right to note the difference between when ''Infinity'' issued Thorne's booklet and the end of Halo 5/Warfleet data; there is an update in between. For the Spartans, I don't know that they are a permanent presence (at least not all of them) but I suspect they are rotated in and out on a mission-by-mission basis as needed. I do have the 'redacted' Spartan count, but unfortunately I'm not at liberty to say until 343i divulges it. I'm glad to see the Spartan count range that was listed yesterday has been removed....I was going to write here that the source should be cited. - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 12:00, 19 March 2018 (EDT)
+Actually, at the beginning it says that they had 5 more Halos to find.  Which means that they had known about Installation 03 for around 4 months AT MOST. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  19:59, 15 November 2011 (EST)
-== Original purpose? ==
+I personally think that humanity would really be that fast with forerunner technologie. Because the San Shyuum didn't acces the Dreadnought they also didn't found other thinks, see contact Harvest. The humans however, didn't mind toutching the forerunner tech, and as such they would be faster with engineering!--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 13:23, 23 December 2011 (EST)
+*True, but you're forgetting the thousands of years when the San 'Shyuum locked themselves in the Dreadnought and while they were in space. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!
-I've heard from a few YouTube videos that the point of originally building the Infinity (and the Eternity) was as a lifeboat for humanity in case there was ultimately no way found to win the war with the Covenant. Is there any canonical evidence for this, and if so, how reasonably effective could it be at such a role? Is ~17k enough to effectively start humanity over? (Assuming both ships were completed conventionally without any of the tech captured and incorporated post-war and then sent off in seperate directions.)
+Just a reminder, Glasslands said that workers were stationed in the Oort cloud over several YEARS, not months. Obviously this tells me they began working on the ship at least sometime between 2540-2552. Humans were reverse-engineering covenant technology since 2532, so the UNSC Infinity makes perfect sense. They simply made the decision to conceal it from the covenant (and everyone else) by enforcing a communications blackout and having it constructed somewhere the covenant wouldn't give a crap about. Thus humanity was given an opportunity to pour every piece of covenant & forerunner tech into it without it being destroyed like other advance tech before it. Also it is quite possible that there is more than one of these kinds of ships being constructed in the same place considering there were two "Infinity's" in the concept picture. Hopefully Halo 4 and the sequel to Glasslands will explain what we want to know.--[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 15:00, 17 January 2012 (EST)
+*Hmm.. Interesting theory.. I will keep that in the back of my head.--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 15:20, 17 January 2012 (EST)
+*Even a modern, non-space ship, takes many many years to build.  But yeah, which is exactly why I said what I said in the initial post.  So does that mean you agree? '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!
-: Here, in this article called [[Project OUROBOROS]], mentioned in the book ''[[Halo: Warfleet – An Illustrated Guide to the Spacecraft of Halo|Halo: Warfleet]]''. --[[User:Dr Mutran|They&#39;re coming. They&#39;re hungry.]] ([[User talk:Dr Mutran|talk]]) 00:55, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
+:I agree with you that the ship could have taken many years to build. However, considering it's the 2500's, construction methods & times may be a lot different than today and it may take shorter amounts of time to construct massive mile-long ships than ever thought possible. Also, I just don't agree with your theory that not much development/research had gone into covey/forn tech until Cortana came back w/ 4 months worth of forerunner tech. I'm basically going off canon info- seeing that the UNSC had a prototype tank that fired plasma rounds in 2531, that tech could have been shipped back to the ''Infinity'' construction site- it even says: "...the data gleaned from the Rhino's development and use was later used on other projects." So to me it's quite possible. Now maybe not much forerunner tech had been reversed-engineered, so it may not be much of a comparison w/ actual forerunner ships, but humanity is just getting back on their feet after years of fighting a powerful foe. Give them a chance! My bad for talking your head off but hard to explain myself in short sentences.--[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 13:39, 22 February 2012 (EST)
-:: They might have been able to stuff a lot of people in the ship's cargo bays if they were kept in portable cryotubes, which would retain a lot of the genetic diversity without having to feed them. But it doesn't necessarily exclude any other ships being reassigned to carry additional people alongside the ''Infinity'', either. [[Special:Contributions/Sev40|<font color="red">'''ERROR 343''': Requested database has been </font>]][[User:Sev|<font color="#00e6e6">'''''Sev'''''</font>]][[User talk:Sev|<font color="#ffcc00">'''ered'''</font>]] 03:31, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
-== [Redacted] Spartans ==
+== Concern over updated image ==
-SCP reference ?! [[Special:Contributions/95.55.216.151|95.55.216.151]] 02:27, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
-:SCP didn't invent the use of the term redacted. [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 07:53, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
+I found an updated, higher quality image of the UNSC Infinity. This is NOT a scan therefore it is allowed. Images of the same nature are allowed on this site so why not this one?
+The main image for this article is taken from a camera and is poorer quality than this one and is also outdated since the new UNSC logo is visible on the ship. It's the same image that we have on the article except it has the Game Informer logo on it.
+--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 15:38, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
+== First appearance in The Thursday War? ==
+Since the Infinity is clearly seen on the cover of The Thursday War, would this make it the first actual appearance and not Halo 4? --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 19:25, 4 May 2012 (EDT)
+:Nope. It first appeared in the concept art of Halo 4. That should be its first appearance since that was first revealed to the public. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  19:33, 4 May 2012 (EDT)
+Though when Noble Team first appeared in [[Deliver Hope]], that counts as their first appearance, not Reach. So if the Infinity is in The Thursday War (not a reference, but it's actually in the book) then it counts as a first appearance while Halo 4 will be a first in-game appearance. Many Halo elements appeared in the books first. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 04:36, 5 May 2012 (EDT)
+:While I will still stick to my opinion, I don't know how we can resolve this appearance issue. Perhaps the users behind these "List of appearances" project could provide their input? — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:00, 6 May 2012 (EDT)