Editing Talk:UNSC Infinity

== Halo 4 ==
Nothing on Halo 4?

You'll have to forgive me becuse I'm new to the wiki but here gose nothing. I noticed that there wasn't anything about what it could be doing in Halo 4. Are there any leads about that that people can't put in the artical becuse it's unconfirmed? [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 01:30, 11 November 2011 (EST)
:Considering the game is still over a year from release, it's not surprising at all that there is no info on what it's doing in Halo 4 as of yet.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Lt. Commander</span>]]''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:cyan">光环的家伙1234</span>]] '''''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]''''' ''([[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:gold">Contribs</span>]])'' '''([[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:cyan">Edits</span>]])''' 01:35, 11 November 2011 (EST)

== Already? ==
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could have been made already.  First of all, the first time they have ever even seen Forerunner technology was just 4 (or so) months ago when Cortana came back to Earth.  Second, humanity and ONI are now just jumping on the idea of '''Covenant''' technology, the technology that Cortana brought back, that the Separatists are showing them, and the amount they have been able to reverse-engineer; much less something like Forerunners.  Third, Cortana only brought back software, and they have only been able to see actual Forerunner hardware on Trevelyan.  Fourth, ships take a long time to make, I don't care if you're talking about a super-advanced Covenant warship or a UNSC battle-cruiser.  Ships take a LONG time to make.  So I don't see how they could have constructed anything in that time.

So I have a few theories.  Maybe this originally started out as the UNSC just building a really-awesome, super huge and super powerful warship that would just be really powerful.  But then after they started discovering Covenant technology (i.e., incorporating plasma hand-held weapons on a large scale), they changed it from just a really strong warship, to a place to test out their attempts at reverse engineering Covenant technology on a large scale (and stuff like the Ascendant Justice helped speed that along quite well).  Then, after they got the Halo data, they changed it from a Covenant reverse-engineering project to a Forerunner data incorporation program.

So the way I picture Infinity is not a well uniformed, perfectly functional Forerunner warship.  Rather a clunky, very jumbled piece of ship-ery.  With some parts being advanced human warship, some parts being attempted Covenant reverse engineering, and some (probably the smallest, read my first reason in the first paragraph) parts being attempted reverse-enginnered Forerunner technology.

Also this is not to say at all that Infinity will be anything '''close''' to even the weakest of Forerunner ships, for reasons like the ones I said above and things like it took the Covenant ''thousands'' of years to reverse-engineer their technology to the level that they had, and it still wasn't anything '''close''' to achieving its full power.

So yeah, I like to think of Infinity as a very jumbled, very ununiform piece of technology.  Think of it as a mid-pubecent teenager. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  18:34, 12 November 2011 (EST)!

:You don't give Humanity very much credit. They have had extensive access to Forerunner artifacts since 2531 on Arcadia. Also, Halsey had access to that Forerunner complex on Reach for like a year. Noble team spent what seemed like an hour as she dowloaded all of her data. You're right when you say it was probably already a different class, but they did have lots of time to create the enchancements. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 08:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)

::Yeah, but the San Shyuum' had unrestricted access to a fucking Forerunner Dreadnought for thousands of years and look how much they managed to reverse engineer it. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  10:57, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

::Fatalsnipe: they do have access to those artefacts, but I would have assume that to crack that Forerunner technology would require within a century to crack it. It took a group of human scientists almost 20+ years to construct a proper shielding system for the MJOLNIR using Kig-yar defense gauntlet as a reference, a technology that was alien to them and almost non-existent. Those scientists were still unable to figure out how Covenant weapons function (i.e. Needler being the best example) even till the end of the Human-Covenant War. But within several years after the war, they manage to crack every alien technology as if they've stumbled upon a "How-To-Use/DIY" manual? It's all too iffy to me.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)

:::Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - [[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park|when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!]] -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
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+== Halo 4 ==
-== Drives ==
+Nothing on Halo 4?
-''Mythos'' (p132) says the ship has repulsor engines. ''H4 EVG'' identifies them as "XR2 Boglin Fields: S81/X-DFR". Assuming DFR refers to "deuterium fusion reactor" (which we have assumed so far) it seems somewhat out of place for engines so technologically different to be grouped in the same category as humanity's more conventional fusion thrusters. In all fairness, it could be that the engines use repulsor technology and only derive their power from deuterium-deuterium reactors, while the "X" before the "DFR" could indicate "experimental" or "xeno" or something similar. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 02:53, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+You'll have to forgive me becuse I'm new to the wiki but here gose nothing. I noticed that there wasn't anything about what it could be doing in Halo 4. Are there any leads about that that people can't put in the artical becuse it's unconfirmed? [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 01:30, 11 November 2011 (EST)
+:Considering the game is still over a year from release, it's not surprising at all that there is no info on what it's doing in Halo 4 as of yet.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Lt. Commander</span>]]''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:cyan">光环的家伙1234</span>]] '''''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]''''' ''([[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:gold">Contribs</span>]])'' '''([[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:cyan">Edits</span>]])''' 01:35, 11 November 2011 (EST)
-:Yeah, [[:File:Infinity_fud_scale.jpg|DFR does we refer to "deuterium fusion reactor"]]. Perhaps replusor engine is being used as a descriptor? Not sure if that would make much sense though. It most likely is your last point. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 11:14, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+== Already? ==
+I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could have been made already.  First of all, the first time they have ever even seen Forerunner technology was just 4 (or so) months ago when Cortana came back to Earth.  Second, humanity and ONI are now just jumping on the idea of '''Covenant''' technology, the technology that Cortana brought back, that the Separatists are showing them, and the amount they have been able to reverse-engineer; much less something like Forerunners.  Third, Cortana only brought back software, and they have only been able to see actual Forerunner hardware on Trevelyan.  Fourth, ships take a long time to make, I don't care if you're talking about a super-advanced Covenant warship or a UNSC battle-cruiser.  Ships take a LONG time to make.  So I don't see how they could have constructed anything in that time.
-::Ah, I'd forgotten about that schematic. Given that "repulsor engine" is a proper in-universe term for Covenant-style drives, I doubt it's simply a descriptor. I suspect it's a semi-retcon to make the ''Infinity'''s engines out to be more advanced, though it's not too much of a stretch to assume the deuterium reactors only serve as the power plants rather than expelling their fusion exhaust for thrust like in traditional human drives. It's still surprisingly low-tech seeing as the slipspace drive is apparently powered by a vacuum energy siphon (also per ''Mythos''), but it's possible they couldn't rig that to power the sublight drives since the indication is that they essentially just strapped a Forerunner drive to the ship and are lucky even that works as well as it does. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 13:08, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+So I have a few theories.  Maybe this originally started out as the UNSC just building a really-awesome, super huge and super powerful warship that would just be really powerful.  But then after they started discovering Covenant technology (i.e., incorporating plasma hand-held weapons on a large scale), they changed it from just a really strong warship, to a place to test out their attempts at reverse engineering Covenant technology on a large scale (and stuff like the Ascendant Justice helped speed that along quite well).  Then, after they got the Halo data, they changed it from a Covenant reverse-engineering project to a Forerunner data incorporation program.
-:::The difference can be as simple as in a car example as the gasoline and the engine. The fusion reactor may just be what powers the alien-inspired repulsor engine. As for the grouping, I thinkk the categories are just main sublight engine and slipspace drive, whatever their technological origin. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 18:47, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+So the way I picture Infinity is not a well uniformed, perfectly functional Forerunner warship.  Rather a clunky, very jumbled piece of ship-ery.  With some parts being advanced human warship, some parts being attempted Covenant reverse engineering, and some (probably the smallest, read my first reason in the first paragraph) parts being attempted reverse-enginnered Forerunner technology.
-== image is too small ==
+Also this is not to say at all that Infinity will be anything '''close''' to even the weakest of Forerunner ships, for reasons like the ones I said above and things like it took the Covenant ''thousands'' of years to reverse-engineer their technology to the level that they had, and it still wasn't anything '''close''' to achieving its full power.
-Can we make the dimensions larger?[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 03:59, 10 December 2016 (EST)
+So yeah, I like to think of Infinity as a very jumbled, very ununiform piece of technology.  Think of it as a mid-pubecent teenager. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  18:34, 12 November 2011 (EST)!
-== Infinity's cannons ==
+:You don't give Humanity very much credit. They have had extensive access to Forerunner artifacts since 2531 on Arcadia. Also, Halsey had access to that Forerunner complex on Reach for like a year. Noble team spent what seemed like an hour as she dowloaded all of her data. You're right when you say it was probably already a different class, but they did have lots of time to create the enchancements. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 08:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-It's described that the UNSC Infinity sports four super-heavy MACs, but why does she feature a fifth barrel modelled at the front section? Is there a reason for this, or is it just a modelling error? --[[User:Shadow-Hunter|Shadow-Hunter]]. (talk) 09:33, 12 March 2017 (EDT)
+::Yeah, but the San Shyuum' had unrestricted access to a fucking Forerunner Dreadnought for thousands of years and look how much they managed to reverse engineer it. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  10:57, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
-:The latter. That error is fixed in ''Halo 5''. --[[User:Dr Mutran|They&#39;re coming. They&#39;re hungry.]] ([[User talk:Dr Mutran|talk]]) 11:22, 12 March 2017 (EDT)
+::Fatalsnipe: they do have access to those artefacts, but I would have assume that to crack that Forerunner technology would require within a century to crack it. It took a group of human scientists almost 20+ years to construct a proper shielding system for the MJOLNIR using Kig-yar defense gauntlet as a reference, a technology that was alien to them and almost non-existent. Those scientists were still unable to figure out how Covenant weapons function (i.e. Needler being the best example) even till the end of the Human-Covenant War. But within several years after the war, they manage to crack every alien technology as if they've stumbled upon a "How-To-Use/DIY" manual? It's all too iffy to me.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-==Waterproof==
+:::Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - [[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park|when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!]] -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-I can'r believe we are actually having this conversation, but it must be said that it is extremely silly to say the Infinity is waterproof. What does that even mean? Ken was just answering a question and was overthinking it and thinking about how the internal systems of any ship would respond to any leak in its water supply. If someone wants to artfully explain what he actually said, Okay. Don't just say "The infinity is waterproof". Come on now, lol.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 23:33, 17 January 2018 (EST)TheEld
-:Yeah, this is silly. I can tell you the notion of its 'waterproofness' was not a topic of discussion during Warfleet production. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:30, 18 January 2018 (EST)
-Here. https://youtu.be/aE_O_it1Q5k?t=4530. [[User:AlertFiend|AlertFiend]] - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. <small>([[User talk:AlertFiend|Converse]]) </small> 21:58, 18 January 2018 (EST)
-==Crew counts==
-I noted something curious. And I am "guessing" that the Halo 4 booklet that had numbers only applies in February 2558. And isnt accurate in Late 2558 which we may have gotten numbers for in Halo Warfleet.
-*Halo 4 Thornes book (February 2558)
-**Total Crew: 17,151
-**Naval - 8954, Marine - 6021, Intelligence - 1699, Civilian - 477
-*Halo Warfleet (Late 2558 Refit?)
-**Total Crew: 18,262 (Spartans not included)
-**Navy - 8900, ONI - 1700, UEG - 480, Swords of Sangheilios - 24, Special Assets - 8
-**Marines - 5400, Spartans - [REDACTED], Army - 800, ODST - 750, Air Force 200
-Regardless I am hoping to at least get this out there so its written down.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 10:51, 19 March 2018 (EDT)
-:You're right to note the difference between when ''Infinity'' issued Thorne's booklet and the end of Halo 5/Warfleet data; there is an update in between. For the Spartans, I don't know that they are a permanent presence (at least not all of them) but I suspect they are rotated in and out on a mission-by-mission basis as needed. I do have the 'redacted' Spartan count, but unfortunately I'm not at liberty to say until 343i divulges it. I'm glad to see the Spartan count range that was listed yesterday has been removed....I was going to write here that the source should be cited. - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 12:00, 19 March 2018 (EDT)
-== Original purpose? ==
-I've heard from a few YouTube videos that the point of originally building the Infinity (and the Eternity) was as a lifeboat for humanity in case there was ultimately no way found to win the war with the Covenant. Is there any canonical evidence for this, and if so, how reasonably effective could it be at such a role? Is ~17k enough to effectively start humanity over? (Assuming both ships were completed conventionally without any of the tech captured and incorporated post-war and then sent off in seperate directions.)
-: Here, in this article called [[Project OUROBOROS]], mentioned in the book ''[[Halo: Warfleet – An Illustrated Guide to the Spacecraft of Halo|Halo: Warfleet]]''. --[[User:Dr Mutran|They&#39;re coming. They&#39;re hungry.]] ([[User talk:Dr Mutran|talk]]) 00:55, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
-:: They might have been able to stuff a lot of people in the ship's cargo bays if they were kept in portable cryotubes, which would retain a lot of the genetic diversity without having to feed them. But it doesn't necessarily exclude any other ships being reassigned to carry additional people alongside the ''Infinity'', either. [[Special:Contributions/Sev40|<font color="red">'''ERROR 343''': Requested database has been </font>]][[User:Sev|<font color="#00e6e6">'''''Sev'''''</font>]][[User talk:Sev|<font color="#ffcc00">'''ered'''</font>]] 03:31, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
-== [Redacted] Spartans ==
-SCP reference ?! [[Special:Contributions/95.55.216.151|95.55.216.151]] 02:27, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
-:SCP didn't invent the use of the term redacted. [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 07:53, July 1, 2019 (EDT)