Editing Talk:Thom-A293

Kinda funny that his name and number are just off [[Tom-B292]]. Heh. //--[[User:Teh Krush|TehK]] <small>([[User talk:Teh Krush|tok]])</small> 21:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


==Original member==
Maybe thats why Kat felt so down when he died-NotaAnon

==What planet?==

I'm confused on information. I was previously under the impression that the Reach Campaign starts before the actual attack on Reach, and displays some of the events leading up to it. I thought that the huge explosion at the end of the VGA Awards trailer was just for dramatic effect. Thom didn't die on Reach, a replacement wouldn't have been sent then. However the VGA Awards trailer seemed to show that the replacement was during the battle. Did Thom die on Reach, or was it on some other planet? ----[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="color:maroon; font-family: skia; font-size: 100%;">'''Si3rra'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:Kurt - O51|<span style="color:darkgrey; font-family: skia; font-size: 100%;">'''o51'''</span>]] [[Image:Autoturrethud.svg|18px]] 19:03, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

:He died around March. Are you sure this extra SPARTAN isn't one of the Noble team backups? We do know that other 'special' S-IIIs were moved into Noble team from their own specialist groups as replacements.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 21:31, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

== Deliver Hope SPARTAN ==

Any debate over whether or not the SPARTAN who nukes the Covenant ship is Thom should go here.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:18, August 26, 2010 (UTC)''

:I wouldn't add any pic of that SPARTAN in Deliver Hope until the game is released and we are sure if its B319 or Thom-293. Kat deffinately has the two arms on this one, but weather she does at the start of Reach or not is another matter [[User talk:VARGR|VARGR]] 16:24, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

::This guy dies; I don't think Bungie would reveal a spoiler like that if it were B312. That and Kat's arms certainly suggested that it's Thom.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:31, August 26, 2010 (UTC)''

:::Bungie pretty much confirmed it's Thom [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23004964&postcount=525 on NeoGaf] with the following (ManCannon is Brian Jarrard IIRC):

:::''you guys nailed it - essentially this is Kat pre-arm loss - the mission in which she lost it - and presumably the original noble six you replace at the start of Reach the game. This was Bungies position, that it's not actually on Reach - but its intentionally nebulous. Casual fans won't care and will assume it's Reach, hardcore fans know it cant be.'' --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 16:34, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

::::I was gonna throw in the fact that Kat has the robotic arm in the opening cinematic level, Noble Actual. You obviously have enough proof :p -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:42, August 26, 2010 (UTC)''
::::I'd like to ask: Did Thom die In the explosion? I am pretty certain he did but I am not sure [[User talk:John Yautja|John Yautja]] 20:16, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

In the Urban Holland Noble Team report thing for Kat/Carter when he mentions Thom, doe she not state he was ambushed? I am assuming this means jumped by enemy ground/air support rather than dieing in an explosion. How do we reconcile the two explanaitions of his death? Not denying any of the evidence for Deliver Hope, i completely agree with it; just playing devils advocate, could it be a Noble 6 Thom replaced [if such a thing happened]?

:It could have been an ambush that lead to that battle or perhaps he was ambushed during his escape from the Covenant ship--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 03:00, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

==Noble 6/Thom==
Does anyone else think that Bungie wanted Thom to look exactly like how Noble 6 has been shown in all the material so far (default armour/black) to try to get the idea of Noble 6 looking like anything away from people? I know they did all default/black to stop people creating a specific image of 6, but that still creates one too, and to me it seems this counters that pretty well, any thoughts? [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
:I believe Bungie showed Noble Six. Not the Reach one, the original. They did that for advertisements. The new Six is going to look however the player wants them to.[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 13:04, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
Umm, yeah, the original Noble 6: Thom, that's what I said. Like I was trying to say, my theory is that Bungie has Thom in Deliver Hope wear default armour (more or less) in black to look just like how they've shown the new Noble 6, to get rid of people's image of the new Noble 6 being all default/black, because he had to look like something in the previews and trailers, so whatever they picked is what people would think of Noble 6 as, because people can't help doing that. So now they're trying to make us think of Thom when we see that armour and colour, so we're less likely to think of the new Noble 6 this way, and it'll be easier to make 6 into whoever we want her/him to be. Make sense now? [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
:I thought it was Noble Six.'''[[User:Captain Michael-P452|<font color="silver">Captain Michael-P452</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Captain Michael-P452|<font color="lightgreen">Reporting for duty.</font>]]</sup>''' 01:59, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
It ain't, it's Thom. Kat still has her arm in the trailer and and well all know full well what happened to Six! (Regarding the armor, though, that similarity COULD be why Carter and Kat were being so frosty to Six at the beginning...) [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 02:07, 18 October 2010 (EDT)

:As I said on old Halopedia:
:The ad has two readings - symbolic, and canonical. Symbolically, it sums up the desperate fight for Reach, the tragedies that Noble team go through, and the fact that not everyone (read: anyone) is coming home from this. Canonically, it serves as backstory, a bit of leadup to the events just before Reach, showing the man whose shoes Six is stepping in to fill. I think the ad works on both levels. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:12, 18 October 2010 (EDT)

==Spartan-III?==
I was wondering if it was ever stated that Thom was specifically a Spartan-III? The Spartan tags on Bungie.net were ambiguous (S-052, S-259, S-320...). While more information was revealed for the most significant Spartans (namely those featured in the game), Thom's origin remains a mystery. For all we know, he could have been a Spartan-II (his tag is still lower than Ralph's one, well Ralph is hardly a good comparison but there's still an undisclosed reason for the existence of such high tags...), or maybe even a Spartan-II from class 2, like Nicole. And it's the same for Rosenda, whose tag may be accurate for a class 2 Spartan-II. Having both Spartan-IIs and IIIs in Noble Team doesn't seem problematic, first there's Jorge, and second, on Bungie.net it's said that the new Noble Six could have been a Spartan-II but they were all unavailable. It's usually accepted as a fact that Jorge is the only Spartan-II in the team, but that's mainly from the game's perspective, I think. I may have missed something in which it's specifically said that both Thom and Rosenda were Spartan-IIIs, so if you have anything about that, add it as a source in the article. If not, maybe there should be a conjecture template or something like that. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 17:01, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
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 Kinda funny that his name and number are just off [[Tom-B292]]. Heh. //--[[User:Teh Krush|TehK]] <small>([[User talk:Teh Krush|tok]])</small> 21:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
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 ==What planet?==
-I'm confused on information. I was previously under the impression that the Reach Campaign starts before the actual attack on Reach, and displays some of the events leading up to it. I thought that the huge explosion at the end of the VGA Awards trailer was just for dramatic effect. Thom didn't die on Reach, a replacement wouldn't have been sent then. However the VGA Awards trailer seemed to show that the replacement was during the battle. Did Thom die on Reach, or was it on some other planet? ----[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="color:maroon; font-family: skia; font-size: 100%;">'''Si3rra'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:Kurt - O51|<span style="color:darkgrey; font-family: skia; font-size: 100%;">'''o51'''</span>]] File:Autoturrethud.svg|18px]] 19:03, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
+I'm confused on information. I was previously under the impression that the Reach Campaign starts before the actual attack on Reach, and displays some of the events leading up to it. I thought that the huge explosion at the end of the VGA Awards trailer was just for dramatic effect. Thom didn't die on Reach, a replacement wouldn't have been sent then. However the VGA Awards trailer seemed to show that the replacement was during the battle. Did Thom die on Reach, or was it on some other planet? ----[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="color:maroon; font-family: skia; font-size: 100%;">'''Si3rra'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:Kurt - O51|<span style="color:darkgrey; font-family: skia; font-size: 100%;">'''o51'''</span>]] [[Image:Autoturrethud.svg|18px]] 19:03, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 :He died around March. Are you sure this extra SPARTAN isn't one of the Noble team backups? We do know that other 'special' S-IIIs were moved into Noble team from their own specialist groups as replacements.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 21:31, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
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 :As I said on old Halopedia:
-:The ad has two readings - symbolic, and canonical. Symbolically, it sums up the desperate fight for Reach, the tragedies that Noble team go through, and the fact that not everyone (read: anyone) is coming home from this. Canonically, it serves as backstory, a bit of leadup to the events just before Reach, showing the man whose shoes Six is stepping in to fill. I think the ad works on both levels. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:12, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
+:The ad has two readings - symbolic, and canonical. Symbolically, it sums up the desperate fight for Reach, the tragedies that Noble team go through, and the fact that not everyone (read: anyone) is coming home from this. Canonically, it serves as backstory, a bit of leadup to the events just before Reach, showing the man whose shoes Six is stepping in to fill. I think the ad works on both levels. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:12, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
 ==Spartan-III?==
-I was wondering if it was ever stated that Thom was specifically a Spartan-III? The Spartan tags on Bungie.net were ambiguous (S-052, S-259, S-320...). While more information was revealed for the most significant Spartans (namely those featured in the game), Thom's origin remains a mystery. For all we know, he could have been a Spartan-II (his tag is still lower than Ralph's one, well Ralph is hardly a good comparison but there's still an undisclosed reason for the existence of such high tags...), or maybe even a Spartan-II from class 2, like Nicole. And it's the same for Rosenda, whose tag may be accurate for a class 2 Spartan-II. Having both Spartan-IIs and IIIs in Noble Team doesn't seem problematic, first there's Jorge, and second, on Bungie.net it's said that the new Noble Six could have been a Spartan-II but they were all unavailable. It's usually accepted as a fact that Jorge is the only Spartan-II in the team, but that's mainly from the game's perspective, I think. I may have missed something in which it's specifically said that both Thom and Rosenda were Spartan-IIIs, so if you have anything about that, add it as a source in the article. If not, maybe there should be a conjecture template or something like that. Edit: I forgot to mention that I don't have the revised edition of the Encyclopedia and the Reach strategy guide, so maybe you could check them to see if it's mentioned. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 17:01, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
+I was wondering if it was ever stated that Thom was specifically a Spartan-III? The Spartan tags on Bungie.net were ambiguous (S-052, S-259, S-320...). While more information was revealed for the most significant Spartans (namely those featured in the game), Thom's origin remains a mystery. For all we know, he could have been a Spartan-II (his tag is still lower than Ralph's one, well Ralph is hardly a good comparison but there's still an undisclosed reason for the existence of such high tags...), or maybe even a Spartan-II from class 2, like Nicole. And it's the same for Rosenda, whose tag may be accurate for a class 2 Spartan-II. Having both Spartan-IIs and IIIs in Noble Team doesn't seem problematic, first there's Jorge, and second, on Bungie.net it's said that the new Noble Six could have been a Spartan-II but they were all unavailable. It's usually accepted as a fact that Jorge is the only Spartan-II in the team, but that's mainly from the game's perspective, I think. I may have missed something in which it's specifically said that both Thom and Rosenda were Spartan-IIIs, so if you have anything about that, add it as a source in the article. If not, maybe there should be a conjecture template or something like that. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 17:01, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
-:Well, the concept art for Thom looks younger than Jorge's and fits in nicely with the rest of the Spartan-IIIs, so it is unlikely that he's a Spartan graduate of 2525. Bungie does not consider I Love Bees as canon (unlike 343i), so he is unlikely a Spartan graduate of 2536. According to the development sheet for Jorge shown in PAX 2010, Jorge is the only member in the team stated to be "older than the rest of the team and remembers earlier battles and stories of his former life as a Spartan-II." "Older" in this context would carry the meaning of being decades apart from the rest of the members I would say. All in all, the only choice left is him being a Spartan-III. — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 00:27, 24 July 2013 (EDT)
-Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation for his tag is that he's a Spartan-III on a primarily Spartan-III team, as opposed to a Spartan-II with an unexplained higher tag or from a rather obscure second class. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 01:45, 24 July 2013 (EDT)
-:Yeah right, maybe I was trying to exploit this possibility for his origin a bit too much. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 09:42, 24 July 2013 (EDT)