Editing Talk:Thel 'Vadam

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==Oi ya comic image==
[[File:Thel `Vadam Tranparent.png|150px|right|thumb|The current image]]
[[File:Thel 2558.png|150px|right|thumb|Proposed new image]]
Okay if we have to have a discussion about it then let it be. Who's up for having that Escalation image as the introductory image? Does fit policy that way.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 13:42, 11 December 2013 (EST)

I personally prefer the current image over the newer proposed one. Just looks cleaner and represents him better in my opinion.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 14:08, 11 December 2013 (EST)

:Well since I don't have the comic, does anyone know if there is possibly a better picture of Arby in Escalation?[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 14:10, 11 December 2013 (EST)

::Sadly, no; the rest of his shots: or are close ups, or he is covered by another character.--[[User:Dr Mutran|They&#39;re coming. They&#39;re hungry.]] ([[User talk:Dr Mutran|talk]]) 14:38, 11 December 2013 (EST)

:::I vote we change it to the new image, we are a wiki after all and it is our job to keep things up to date. {{User:JJAB91/Sig}}

:I say keep it the way it is, don't change it. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 17:32, 11 December 2013 (EST)Xamikaze330

Personal preference aside, I think it is best if the article maintains a consistent image of the subject rather than constantly having to update the introductory image. This is, of course, subject to whether the new updated image is from a low-tier media (i.e. comic book/graphic novel) or a high-tier media (i.e. games/film). The quality of the image is of the essence and I'm not referring to resolution or pixel density; it is the quality of presenting the subject in the best possible light. That being said, I think it is best to revert back to the ''H3'' image and place the "''updated''" image of Thel in the Gallery section. Once 343i releases a proper quality image, then we should revisit this discussion again and reconsider. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  21:36, 11 December 2013 (EST)

[[File:Thel 2552 Transparent.png|150px|left|thumb]]
What about this image? [[User:M0aHerder|M0aHerder]] ([[User talk:M0aHerder|talk]]) 22:54, 11 December 2013 (EST)
:I disagree about the difference between having to make such a distinction between media types like that. Low-tier, high-tier. It's halo, not star wars.
I wasn't sure what the message meant. Sorry about that.
Now, I think it'd be much better to use thus edited image because it's representative of the arbiter's current situation. It's a rather big difference I think to justify this new updated image. If he was featured with his old armour, yeah keep the better one. But this image's quality is high enough and represents his current situation in the universe better. I vote form the new image. 
[[User:Erickyboo|Erickyboo]] ([[User talk:Erickyboo|talk]]) 23:09, 11 December 2013 (EST)

::What Subtank said. The ''Halo 3'' image is better in terms of quality and more representative of the character and until - ''unless'' - he appears in his new armor in a game, the old image works better as the introductory one. If we did this for all characters (always keep changing the introductory image as new media comes along, irrespective of media format) we'd have to change the main images all the time, often to inferior ones, quality- and indeed canon-wise (in this case game to comic, in-studio art vs external comic artists who are notorious for their own, fanciful takes on established visuals). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:08, 12 December 2013 (EST)


Its time to use the new image [[User:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] ([[User talk:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|talk]]) 17:04, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
:The image from ''Escalation'' or the one from ''Halo 2 Anniversary''? --[[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 17:17, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
:Anniversary, we've replaced Johnson's, Lord Hood's, and Regret's photos.  Time for Thel to get his sparkly new photograph. [[User:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] ([[User talk:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|talk]]) 17:24, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
::I'd rather wait for one that didn't look like Thel was thinking that the reader looked like a juicy [[colo]], but I suppose we could change when we get a new one. --[[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 17:31, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
:::Hahaha I suppose, but we have replaced every other image with a more modern one [[User:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] ([[User talk:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|talk]]) 20:22, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
::::We could replace the current one with [[:File:H2A - Arbiter.png|this one]]. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 16:48, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::I say yes. Anyone else oppose? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 20:22, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::In favour. Tangent, but where did that one come from? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 03:01, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::::The image is from the ''Halo 2 Anniversary'' cinematic trailer by Blur. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 09:05, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

(''reset indent'') Go for it.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:05, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

== Image from Epilogue/ Prologue ==

Should we use a photo from the Anniversary Prologue/ Epilogue for Thel's profi pic? It is canonically the most up to date.[[User:Lord &#39;Themee|Lord &#39;Themee]] ([[User talk:Lord &#39;Themee|talk]]) 10:53, 11 November 2014 (EST)

:I think so, that looks like a new armor design so we'll need an image either way. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 16:51, 11 November 2014 (EST)
::I think [[:File:H2A Thel Epilogue.png|this]] is probably the best we'll get until Halo 5.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 07:10, 15 November 2014 (EST) 
:::I agree. The image is both photorealistic and canonically up-to-date. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 19:42, 15 November 2014 (EST)
::::I think  [[:File:H2A-Thel 'Vadam post-war 2.png|this image]] is a bit more clear, the current one is kind of dark and you can barely see his face. [[User:Lord &#39;Themee|Lord &#39;Themee]] ([[User talk:Lord &#39;Themee|talk]]) 14:55, 25 November 2014 (EST)

:::::Any comments?[[User:Lord &#39;Themee|Lord &#39;Themee]] ([[User talk:Lord &#39;Themee|talk]]) 19:57, 29 November 2014 (EST)

::::::That's a tough one. The current one shows more of his armour/body, but this one isn't so dark and is a better face shot. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:56, 8 December 2014 (EST)

== Profile Pic ==

[[File:H5G_-_Arbiter_face.png|thumb]]

^^^that one is much better; not as dark and a good angle to show his face.[[Special:Contributions/70.190.250.193|70.190.250.193]] 16:25, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:That one is concept art (or similar) so it is less canonically correct, I am sure others have their own points. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - [[Blue Team|Team Chief]] 16:30, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:The ''Halo 2: Anniversary'' Thel is his canonical appearance. His appearance in ''Halo 5'' is just due to the fact they reused the Sangheili model for him as they didn't want to make a whole new model. -- [[User:Topal the Pilot|'''Topal the Pilot''']] [[File:Blueteam.png|20px]] <small>([[User talk:Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Talk'''</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Contribs'''</span>]])</small> 16:59, 18 November 2015 (EST)

I'm not so sure. Yes, they reused the unarmored Sangheili model from Spartan Ops in Halo 5 (bigger head, thicker body, unclosed mandibles, scaled skin, cuttlefish eyes.) rather than the Anniversary model (lankier body, longer neck, closed mandibles, unscaled skin, human-like eyes), but they also changed the armor considerably in Halo 5. It's bigger, a slightly different color, and has a closed helmet with a larger mouthguard. Given that the scenes with the new armor in Halo 2A were retconned out and so have some inconsistencies like Thel using a blue sword instead of the Prophet's Bane, I think the Halo 5 version would be the canonical one. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 17:41, 18 November 2015 (EST)

Halo 5 is the newer depiction therefore its the newest canon. . Cortanas facial appearances changes literally every game--[[User:Guardian117|Guardian117]] ([[User talk:Guardian117|talk]]) 17:48, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:I can't find it, but i'm sure either Grim or Catalog said the H2A version is the canon appearance, I could be mistaken though. Also, wouldn't the armor have to change as his body is a very different shape?  -- [[User:Topal the Pilot|'''Topal the Pilot''']] [[File:Blueteam.png|20px]] <small>([[User talk:Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Talk'''</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Contribs'''</span>]])</small> 18:22, 18 November 2015 (EST)

::I remember that Grim said that the H2A one is the canon appearance, I might look for it if I have the time. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - [[Blue Team|Team Chief]] 20:32, 18 November 2015 (EST)

:The H2A image may be dark, but the lighting on the proposed one is extremely flat and unnatural. The current one looks much more presentable. I also distinctly remember Grim's statement about the H2A model being his canon appearance, though I'm not quite sure where it was. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:28, 19 November 2015 (EST)

::I don't think this specific proposed image should be used, but the design shown here should be. The current image is dark and has very little [[Wikipedia:Headroom (photographic framing)|headroom]] (second time I get to say that today). An image of Thel from the last cutscene would probably be best, as it appears to be prerendered and so is the most detailed. If you find Grim's claim, then we'll go with that, but I'm curious as to whether he might've been referring to the armor or to his unarmored appearance. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 02:33, 19 November 2015 (EST)

:::Grim is for sure referring to Thel's physical appearance, rather then the armor. I have [https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/why-the-heck-are-thel-s-covenant-wearing-h4-armor/662e9ed3-828e-448b-bd79-d6cf2c9bab06/posts?page=1#post20 this link] on the page itself, but Grim made a lot of comments around E3 so you may have to dig deeper to find something more specific then this.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 10:51, 19 November 2015 (EST)

== Relevant Photos to the Paragraph ==

User Japeth555, you are consistantly undoing my edit where I applied appropriate photos to what was being said. Please ''explain'' why you feel that it should be undone. I might even agree with you if you actually tell me your reasoning. Undoing it without any explaination is not a good argument.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 21:24, 15 May 2017 (EDT)