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There were no brutes during the San Shyuum Sanghelli soo.. this story is completely well blammed up isn't it? Unless it spans multiple years, but it would seem to just focus on the initial interactions. So this story can't be canon because it would completely reset the history of the covenant fleshed out in all the novels and games so far. Thoughts? [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 20:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC) | There were no brutes during the San Shyuum Sanghelli soo.. this story is completely well blammed up isn't it? Unless it spans multiple years, but it would seem to just focus on the initial interactions. So this story can't be canon because it would completely reset the history of the covenant fleshed out in all the novels and games so far. Thoughts? [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 20:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:No where in the timeline did it say when the Jiralhanae were assimilated into the Covenant Empire, and for the record, every story in ''Legends'' except for ''[[Odd One Out]]'' is official canon. | :No where in the timeline did it say when the Jiralhanae were assimilated into the Covenant Empire, and for the record, every story in ''Legends'' except for ''[[Odd One Out]]'' is official canon. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}} | ||
::Thank you the "for the record" I couldn't read that in the news on my own. We know the only species present during the founding of the Covenant were the Prophets and the Elites. They founded the Writ of Union and proceeded to search for the rings discoverying the species and assimilating them as they went along. We also know that the Brutes are more recent additions as of Contact Harvest where it is strongly implied that they have recently been assimilated. page 194 of Contact Harvest states that the Covenant discovered the Brutes and enlisted them into the empire, there was no, as of yet known, Brute and Covenant war. So the Brutes are after the Elites, and the addition of them to the early Elite experiences within the Covenant is wrong. It resets the entire established canon that the Elites and the Prophets formed a mutual alliance to start the Great Journey, they are the client races. All others came after. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Thank you the "for the record" I couldn't read that in the news on my own. We know the only species present during the founding of the Covenant were the Prophets and the Elites. They founded the Writ of Union and proceeded to search for the rings discoverying the species and assimilating them as they went along. We also know that the Brutes are more recent additions as of Contact Harvest where it is strongly implied that they have recently been assimilated. page 194 of Contact Harvest states that the Covenant discovered the Brutes and enlisted them into the empire, there was no, as of yet known, Brute and Covenant war. So the Brutes are after the Elites, and the addition of them to the early Elite experiences within the Covenant is wrong. It resets the entire established canon that the Elites and the Prophets formed a mutual alliance to start the Great Journey, they are the client races. All others came after. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::First off, don't be a smartass, I was just stating the canon status of this film, as per official statements. As for the Jiralhanae, what says that their inclusion in ''Duel'' is of that of joining the Empire? For all we know, they could have stumbled upon Sangheilos or another Sangheili colony, and confronted them, sparking the first hatred between the two species. No where in the IGN description does it state that the Jiralhanae join the Covenant at this time, nor does it even mean that they have a large role. So until we watch the very last second of this series or even get a clearer description of the film, ''Duel'' as of this moment, has not disregarded a single bit of canon information. | :::First off, don't be a smartass, I was just stating the canon status of this film, as per official statements. As for the Jiralhanae, what says that their inclusion in ''Duel'' is of that of joining the Empire? For all we know, they could have stumbled upon Sangheilos or another Sangheili colony, and confronted them, sparking the first hatred between the two species. No where in the IGN description does it state that the Jiralhanae join the Covenant at this time, nor does it even mean that they have a large role. So until we watch the very last second of this series or even get a clearer description of the film, ''Duel'' as of this moment, has not disregarded a single bit of canon information. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}} | ||
Maccabeus says, and the Beaastiary included in Halo 3 supports, that the Jiralhanae had nuked themselves to the brink and were just recovering their basical WWI level technologies when the Covenant found them and converted them. They would have had no spacecraft allowing them to stumble across the Sangheili worlds. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | Maccabeus says, and the Beaastiary included in Halo 3 supports, that the Jiralhanae had nuked themselves to the brink and were just recovering their basical WWI level technologies when the Covenant found them and converted them. They would have had no spacecraft allowing them to stumble across the Sangheili worlds. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Alright, but like you've stated before, this story may take place over a number of years. So that technology that they had after their near-extinction event was enhanced during the time of this story. And going back to that quote you provided, that even some of the Sangheili were just founded by the Covenant, and whether or not this states that the Covenant is the post-war civilization or simply the San 'Shyuum has left to be told. And if it is pre-war, then the Jiralhanae may still have spacecraft capable of interstellar flight, which would lead to Duel having no retcons at all. So like I said, until we get '''EVERY ABSOLUTE PIECE''' of information, we...well, we don't know sh!t. | ::Alright, but like you've stated before, this story may take place over a number of years. So that technology that they had after their near-extinction event was enhanced during the time of this story. And going back to that quote you provided, that even some of the Sangheili were just founded by the Covenant, and whether or not this states that the Covenant is the post-war civilization or simply the San 'Shyuum has left to be told. And if it is pre-war, then the Jiralhanae may still have spacecraft capable of interstellar flight, which would lead to Duel having no retcons at all. So like I said, until we get '''EVERY ABSOLUTE PIECE''' of information, we...well, we don't know sh!t. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}}. | ||
IGN were wrong. I saw that trailer, and that was DEFINITELY a Samaurai ELITE, not a Brute. Have a look: | IGN were wrong. I saw that trailer, and that was DEFINITELY a Samaurai ELITE, not a Brute. Have a look: | ||
IGN are geniuses! | [[File:New Elite armour.jpg|thumb|IGN are geniuses!]] | ||
See the seperated lower mandible? Brutes have a complete lower jaw, remember? | See the seperated lower mandible? Brutes have a complete lower jaw, remember? | ||
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==What is ''That''?== | ==What is ''That''?== | ||
{{Quote|Cortana, what exactly am I looking at?|Miranda Keyes}} | {{Quote|Cortana, what exactly am I looking at?|Miranda Keyes}} | ||
For anyone who saw the very short, and anticlimactic Duel preview on Waypoint, they'll have seen a very strange, orange-brown alien speaking in a female voice. I'm sure we're all wondering the same thing: what the ''hell'' is that? It looks like one of the female aliens from Avatar (which I haven't seen, so don't correct me), or a cross between snake and a human woman. What is a creature like that doing on [[Sanghelios]]? If it was already native to the planet, then why did the Covenant not absorb it? I'm sure the actual episode will explain, but as of now it looks pretty screwed up. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC) | For anyone who saw the very short, and anticlimactic Duel preview on Waypoint, they'll have seen a very strange, orange-brown alien speaking in a female voice. I'm sure we're all wondering the same thing: what the ''hell'' is that? It looks like one of the female aliens from Avatar (which I haven't seen, so don't correct me), or a cross between snake and a human woman. What is a creature like that doing on [[Sanghelios]]? If it was already native to the planet, then why did the Covenant not absorb it? I'm sure the actual episode will explain, but as of now it looks pretty screwed up. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Some are speculating that it's actually a female Sangheili. I posted a bunch of speculation about it on my DA page: [http://slaskia.deviantart.com/journal/28411040/ My speculation]. I'd repost it here, but it's a huge chunk of text. [[User talk:Zeno 'Ribal|Zeno 'Ribal]] 22:41, November 18, 2009 (UTC) | :Some are speculating that it's actually a female Sangheili. I posted a bunch of speculation about it on my DA page: [http://slaskia.deviantart.com/journal/28411040/ My speculation]. I'd repost it here, but it's a huge chunk of text. [[User talk:Zeno 'Ribal|Zeno 'Ribal]] 22:41, November 18, 2009 (UTC) | ||