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| You can find one(terminal) in the remake of the first chamber after Shafted in the level Silent Cartographer from Halo:CE just under the ramp --[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 16:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC) | | You can find one(terminal) in the remake of the first chamber after Shafted in the level Silent Cartographer from Halo:CE just under the ramp --[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 16:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| If I remeber correctly, in Halo 2, when Cortana goes into the system on High Charity, she mentions that there is an extremely powerful presence there. Maybe thats Mendicant Bias? --CSKnight78 | | If I remeber correctly, in Halo 2, when Cortana goes into the system on High Charity, she mentions that there is an extremely powerful presence there. Maybe thats Mendicant Bias? --CSKnight78 |
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| You don't actually have to do anything on legendary to access the 'extra' information, you can just skip straight to that level and put the difficulty on legendary and you will be able to read it.
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| Does the game automatically pause when the player is reading a terminal, like in Marathon 1 and Oni, or does in-game time pass while reading, as in Marathon 2 and Infinity? --[[User:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 20:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | | Does the game automatically pause when the player is reading a terminal, like in Marathon 1 and Oni, or does in-game time pass while reading, as in Marathon 2 and Infinity? --[[User:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 20:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| I don't hink so, because you can sometimes hear 343 speak and time passes, so don't read them while playing the meta-game.. It doesn't really matter though because they're never near any combat zones.
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| It dosen't pause when veiwing the terminals, in some cases you can lure enemies into the same room where you activate the Terminal, you are invincable while reading it and can hear them repeatedly sticking you.[[User talk:Haydn|Haydn]] 06:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| In the Terminal readouts, Guilty Spark is not labelled as Guilty Spark but rather as 04-343 ( Installation 04, Monitor 343 ). In the readouts, 343 gets quite annoyed at the Terminal AI ( Perhaps it is Bias ) and starts to Name-call it. Perhaps 343 gains the moniker "Guilty Spark" because he causes Bias to become Rampant. Thus he is "Guilty" of causing the Forerunner's downfall because he is the "Spark" of Bias' rampancy. [[User:5748 PrimaryCipher|5748 PrimaryCipher]] 05:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | | In the Terminal readouts, Guilty Spark is not labelled as Guilty Spark but rather as 04-343 ( Installation 04, Monitor 343 ). In the readouts, 343 gets quite annoyed at the Terminal AI ( Perhaps it is Bias ) and starts to Name-call it. Perhaps 343 gains the moniker "Guilty Spark" because he causes Bias to become Rampant. Thus he is "Guilty" of causing the Forerunner's downfall because he is the "Spark" of Bias' rampancy. [[User:5748 PrimaryCipher|5748 PrimaryCipher]] 05:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| The above I believe is NOT true, I am pretty sure Guilty Spark is just the model of him...And, the installation 4, probably mean he was on the fourth Halo.(It's in the first Halo game)
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| :Spark didn't seem to know who he was talking to, though. You'd think he would have remembered MB if he'd met him before. He specifically said his makers restricted his knowledge of other installations, so it's possible he knew nothing about MB before the terminals. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 05:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC) | | :Spark didn't seem to know who he was talking to, though. You'd think he would have remembered MB if he'd met him before. He specifically said his makers restricted his knowledge of other installations, so it's possible he knew nothing about MB before the terminals. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 05:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| The message you get on at least some of the Terminals vary by difficulty level. For example, I remembered Terminal 3 saying something different when I found it, so I went to check. On Normal and Heroic, it contains what you've got here. But on Legendary, the content changes to some talk about anomalies and a conversation between the Flood and Mendicant Bias. Check it out for yourself. | | The message you get on at least some of the Terminals vary by difficulty level. For example, I remembered Terminal 3 saying something different when I found it, so I went to check. On Normal and Heroic, it contains what you've got here. But on Legendary, the content changes to some talk about anomalies and a conversation between the Flood and Mendicant Bias. Check it out for yourself. |
| : could you put up a transcript? Not all of us have your 1337 skillz ;) '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 07:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | | : could you put up a transcript? Not all of us have your 1337 skillz ;) '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 07:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| :''The Transcripts of each Terminal need to be updated. When played on Legendary, they are vastly different, and reveal MUCH more information. PLEASE try to obtain the full transcripts. Everything is different, including the initial display that can only be read in a limited amount of time.'' | | :''The Transcripts of each Terminal need to be updated. When played on Legendary, they are vastly different, and reveal MUCH more information. PLEASE try to obtain the full transcripts. Everything is different, including the initial display that can only be read in a limited amount of time.'' |
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| If you can help out in any way, that'd be great! Edits to this page can be counted towards the Halo 3 Launch Contest, so why not register as a user, and/or for the contest, and help us out?! | | If you can help out in any way, that'd be great! Edits to this page can be counted towards the [[Halopedia:Halo 3 Launch Contest|Halo 3 Launch Contest]], so why not register as a user, and/or for the contest, and help us out?! |
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| [[User:Manticore|<font color=black>'''Manticore'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Manticore|<font color=black>Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<font color=black>Contributions</font>]]</sup> 18:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | | [[User:Manticore|<font color=black>'''Manticore'''</font>]] [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px|Manticore is a Halopedia administrator.]] <sup>[[User talk:Manticore|<font color=black>Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<font color=black>Contributions</font>]]</sup> 18:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| This article is getting way too long. I propose that it be spliced into seperate articles, and a brief summary provided on the page linking to each. Thoughts? -- [[User:Manticore|Manticore]] [[User_talk:Manticore|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|Contributions]] 18:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC) | | This article is getting way too long. I propose that it be spliced into seperate articles, and a brief summary provided on the page linking to each. Thoughts? -- [[User:Manticore|Manticore]] [[Image:Fleet_Admiral.jpg|Fleet_Admiral.jpg]] [[User_talk:Manticore|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|Contributions]] 18:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| Well, we could leave one page just to talk about the Terminals, and others for each terminal and their Transcripts... ~~ Spartan729 | | Well, we could leave one page just to talk about the Terminals, and others for each terminal and their Transcripts... ~~ Spartan729 |
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| I think that each should have an individual page assigned to it, with a copy of the location instructions, transcript, and an objective section about specualations. There is no good spot as far as I know for this sort of thing, so it would probably help. I would also like the dialog snippets that Cortana says when finding number 7 be documented. [[User:166.109.124.218|166.109.124.218]] 18:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC) | | I think that each should have an individual page assigned to it, with a copy of the location instructions, transcript, and an objective section about specualations. There is no good spot as far as I know for this sort of thing, so it would probably help. I would also like the dialog snippets that Cortana says when finding number 7 be documented. [[User:166.109.124.218|166.109.124.218]] 18:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC) |
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| I updated the 'terminal 7' portion to include cortanas dialogue.
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| Theres an 8th terminal on Cortona | | Theres an 8th terminal on Cortona |
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| The terminal on cortana doesn't count to the achievement, but you can't just go into the terminal and then get straight out; you have to wait to be redirected.
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| Anto - Ive been having the same problem recently now and i cannot get the achievement. Ive went through.. beat all the levels with the terminals (after accessing of course) and even made sure to go through the entire terminal to its full-ist. Nothin still. I went to "Halo" to try the whole "just reactivate the last one" ordeal... still i got nothin. Please help out :) 08:44 est. Sept. 29th 2008
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| You can still access the Terminals from within your saved films! '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 23:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC) | | You can still access the Terminals from within your saved films! '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 23:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| Hate to see that you guys went to all that trouble to do all that but a guy already did ALL of this including MB's error messages almost 2 weeks ago. It's already got a lengthy discussion and everything. Just thought credit should be given where credit is due. | | Hate to see that you guys went to all that trouble to do all that but a guy already did ALL of this including MB's error messages almost 2 weeks ago. It's already got a lengthy discussion and everything. Just thought credit should be given where credit is due. |
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| my friend was playing co-op with his mate and they found another silver skull in the game. they new it werent one of the other skulls because they have already got them. | | my friend was playing co-op with his mate and they found another silver skull in the game. they new it werent one of the other skulls because they have already got them. |
| -Easter eggs are not really eggs. they are used to enhance the graphics of the game. if you can. look in "Sandtrap", those towers that are around the map have easter eggs on each one. its hard to get out of the map but if you can. look closely, they should be near the top of those odd towers- "Sgt Teddybear59"
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| Can someone please tell me were is it exactly located (the level is 'Cortana', isn't it?)? | | Can someone please tell me were is it exactly located (the level is 'Cortana', isn't it?)? |
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| Same room as the skull (3nd or 4th chamber) just on the bottom/basement level --[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 01:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC) | | Same room as the skull (3nd or 4th chamber) just on the bottem/basement level --[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 01:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC) |
| how do u access the terminals | | how do u access the terminals |
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| Can someone post the transcript of the Cortana term. ? [[User:82.22.181.114|82.22.181.114]] 11:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC) | | Can someone post the transcript of the Cortana term. ? [[User:82.22.181.114|82.22.181.114]] 11:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC) |
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| i have bolded and italicised what i am concerned may be errors. i have no way to check them myself or i would. all i can do is call attention to them.
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| REPORT: SECURITY BREACH 2/3 Although [adjacent] systems reacted to the disturbance withing expected parameters, a more comprehensive investigation was undertaken. A physical '''''search w revealed''''' that there was no [corporeal] tampering at the [alpha site].
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| REPORT: SECURITY BREACH 3/3 In the [42 minutes, 9 seconds] since the original anomaly was discovered two more anomalies were detected in the unrelated systems.
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| The portal management/life support central system within the boundary complex was momentarily disabled before the cause was ['''''settles'''''] and disassembled. A diagnostic sweep of the central archives was initiated and subsequently halted. The origin on the request cannot be traced.
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| LF.Xx.3273.> Perhaps they have found {~} of making that decision for themselves? Perhaps they chose to leave it {~} impartial outsider; cast '''''your''''' as '''''and''''' arbiter during this time of great need?
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| If we start immediately--commence total biosphere elimination of life sustaining worlds (as indicated in the accompanying charts) and relocate evacuated populations to facilities such as those described in the [Onyx project]--all this could be achieved in ['''''57,1590''''' (+/-2,184) hours].
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| I think (well, for me, as a huge story buff), that this opens a whole new level to the terminals and am currently composing a transcript of (what I think) they say.
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| :I've heard those messages. I've alwasy wondered what they said. Nice find. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]]</b> 20:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
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| I have accessed all the terminals like 10 times but I can't seem to get the achievement.--[[User talk:Edamee|Edamee]] 20:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)Edamee
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| I have a problem, when i'v accesed a terminal during the game and watch the movie later on it automaticlly enters the terminal and then i can't get out.
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| In Halo's control room there's some type of terminal esque spinning object during the Guilty Spark Cutscene in the background. It looks like some type of control for the installation. Doe's anyone else have any ideas about anything relating to this?[[User talk:Doylej0131|Doylej0131]] 18:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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| "The word ghost seen above could mean something. It could be something that connects with the Ghosts of Halo. "
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| :[http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Halopedia:Sandbox&oldid=855925 Here's my solution]. In that Sandbox revision, I've two possible formats for a Terminal page: a lot of HTML with a lot of CSS (could be made easier with a template), or a little HTML with a little CSS. ''(Note to self: try lightening Page 1's background to #555.)''
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| :More specifically, I can use HTML and CSS to generate a close visual approximation of a Terminal page while sticking to text; or I can use basic HTML and CSS to replicate textual details (alignment of characters, spacing, etc.) without replicating color.
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| :Furthermore, error messages need not be reproduced in the text -- I can probably write an alternative code with just a message describing what happens.
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| :<span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 11:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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| ::''*votes for '''a lot of HTML with a lot of CSS (could be made easier with a template)'''*''. I think this style/format looks nicer.- <b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 12:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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| Sorry if i seem a bit stupid, but how do you read them? [[User talk:Lunar ankou2|Lunar ankou2]] 06:50, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
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| This page needs to be smaller. It is very bulky, mostly due to the terminal transcripts. I suggest we set them up in a similar way to the [[Data Drop]] page. Agreed? [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 17:16, 16 November 2011 (EST)
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| :Agreed. All that is needed is a consensus. :) — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 06:43, 17 November 2011 (EST)
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| ::Definitely agreed. The Data Drop page format is pretty handy in pages like these. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 06:50, 17 November 2011 (EST)
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| What's the status on this? Is it a go? [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 16:56, 9 December 2011 (EST)
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| :Start a proposal section with a voting subsection (avoid neutral since it's a useless category). — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 17:50, 9 December 2011 (EST)
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| ==Proposal (Closed)==
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| Fellow editors, this page is a mess. It is far too long to navigate easily, and the transcripts are the main culprit: they take up over 3/4 of the page. It's bulky, it's unsightly and it doesn't look all that professional. I propose that we put the terminals into a tabbed format, nearly identical to the [[Data Drop]] page. It would be a bit of work, but it would be very much worth it to transform an important page. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 09:20, 11 December 2011 (EST)
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| *{{Support}}- per the above [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 09:20, 11 December 2011 (EST)
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| *{{Support}} - as per FS117. [[Talk:Terminal/Halo 3#Length|Déjà vu]]? Should we do the same for Anniversary terminals too? That's [[Talk:Terminal/Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary|another story]] I guess. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 09:34, 11 December 2011 (EST)
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| *{{Support}} - As per above. Plus splitting the Anniversary Terminals may work out well too.--'''''<span style="color:green">Commander</span>''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:red">Halofan1234</span>]] (''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">I say</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">the cabal</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:purple">does not exist</span>]]'') 11:46, 11 December 2011 (EST)
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| *{{Support}} - why not? It is very bulky, and I could fix this up in like 5 minuets. oops, sorry. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 14:15, 11 December 2011 (EST)
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| *{{Support}} Fer both. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:27, 11 December 2011 (EST)
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| *{{Support}} - Agreed. This is far too long an article. Must be shortened. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 18:14, 11 December 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330
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| :Done. For future reference, you don't really need to create Oppose/Support sections as we have visual templates that clearly shows how many votes there is.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 20:28, 17 December 2011 (EST)
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| == Name Change ==
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| I think the name should be changed to Terminal (Halo 3) rather than Terminal/Halo 3. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 00:46, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
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| :We have it that way so it is a subpage of the main [[Terminal]] article.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 01:00, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
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| == Terminal Transcript Text Size ==
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| Can we consider editing the transcripts for all terminals to a larger text size so that they are easier to read? The text size used for the Data Drop transcripts would seem reasonable. Though I'm not sure how much effort that would entail or how the larger text size would affect the page layout. [[User:S.g.ali|S.g.ali]] ([[User talk:S.g.ali|talk]]) 00:28, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
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| :Adjusted to 13px. Prior to this, it looks fine on Linux and Windows. Is it different in Mac? — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 10:49, 3 October 2013 (EDT)
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| ::It's not any issue with the OS or internet browser. The transcript text was just small and couldn't be read without zooming in. I wouldn't want to read all the transcripts without squinting my eyes much. [[User:S.g.ali|S.g.ali]] ([[User talk:S.g.ali|talk]]) 10:42, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
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| :::I ran some tests and it appears monospace is rendered/sized differently on Mac. Who knew... — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 21:52, 7 October 2013 (EDT)
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| == Terminal Five ==
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| Terminal Five is broken, for some reason. I took a look at the source and nothing seemed amiss(I touched nothing, I swear).--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 16:18, 16 February 2019 (EST)d9328
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| :[https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Terminal/Halo_3&diff=next&oldid=1269124 My fault], missed that small detail when I added the tabcontainer template the other day. >_< --{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 16:31, 16 February 2019 (EST)
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| == On the new tweets from Paul Russel ==
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| Recently, [[User:TheArb1ter117|TheArb1ter117]] has [https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Terminal_(Halo_3)&oldid=1565746 revamped] the "Production Notes" section with new information [[Paul Russel]] shared on Twitter. However, I believe that the changes made are selective around Paul's tweets, reflecting the bias of the member (preferring humans and forerunners to be separate species) and is not representative what Paul Russel ultimately said.
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| Obviously, this issue has been hotly debated for many years now, and everyone here will have bias themselves; myself included. So, for fairness I admit I am of the side of humans and forerunners being the same species, but all I am trying to do is maintain neutrality and accuracy in the article. And instead of just editing the article myself likely causing an edit war, I'm choosing to try and settle this here. '''I maintain I hold no ill will towards this user and if my words seem slighted It is not my intention.''' But I also believe given what I understand from the history and opinions of this wikis members my words may be significantly unpopular, so I am trying to be explicitly clear and comprehensive.
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| ===3 Key Issues===
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| My Issue is with the middle point of the section which is broken into 3 parts. '''I also claim that the first and last parts of the "Production Notes" section is accurate as of this time and does not need to be changed.'''
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| ===="Bungie" did not entirely change the forerunners====
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| The article tries to address the issue by claiming "''according to Paul Russel, the studio had made the decision (to split humans and forerunners) sometime during the development of Halo 3'''" and sources this tweet from Russel: [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602455841793347585 "''The Forerunners changed for the Halo 3 terminals. I know everyone responsible for that. It was a change that was vetted and approved by Bungie''"].
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| The problem with this is it treats Bungie as a monolith that wholesale changed the forerunners in Halo 3. '''This is not the full truth.'''
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| Paul Russel later clarified [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1603050616028368897 "''The game and terminal writers were separate teams with overlap; they didn’t think the discrepancy would matter; management vetting never read or cared about continuity; morning bagels were more important than canon.''"] Acknowledging that [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602720596328169475 "''H3 shipped with both versions and both were approved''".]
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| * According to Russel, Halo 3 shipped with the "Game" team and the "Terminals" team having '''contradicting ideas on the forerunners, and both were approved''' as management was more focused on shipping the game.
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| ====Terminal forerunners were also early humans====
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| Paul also later then clarifies that according his friend who was on the terminal writing team [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1603053863866880000 "''the (terminal) forerunners were a “…subset of early humans uplifted by another group (the precursors?)”.''".] Indicating that in even in the Halo 3 terminals, Forerunners weren't yet entirely separate as depicted in later works by 343i (Forerunner Saga, Halo 4 etc.). The article does bring this up, but notes it as "''disagreement even within the terminal writing team''".
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| * But as Paul is clearly saying this is what he was told by '''''a member of the terminal writing team''''' this isn't a "disagreement". '''This is what the terminals actually say.''' Unless another member of the terminal writing team says something different, this is truth as from Paul.
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| Of course we later see that the forerunners ''were'' changed to be an entirely separate species in The Forerunner Saga, but that is clearly a change from the terminals. The article already has an section dedicated to differences from the terminals to those books, this is just another one.
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| ====Joe Staten and Contact Harvest====
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| The article notes that [[Joseph Staten]] and was placed on administrative leave during a period of Halo 3's development, and meanwhile wrote the book [[Contact Harvest]] which included information that humans are forerunners. The article then claims "''Staten was therefore not privy to what was going on with the decisions made for the terminals, explaining his novel's contradiction with Bungie's new stance that humans and Forerunners were separate species.''". But as explained above; "Bungie" did not have a "new stance" wholesale, and Terminal forerunners were also early humans.
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| * The article tries to explain this by that first part of the quote being directly from [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602510864774582272 Paul's tweet], '''but tacks on the second part to fit the incorrect context the author is giving it. Paul only mentioned the terminals here, not all of Bungie.''' Also the reason stated for Joe's leave is incorrect, with "''he was placed on temporary administrative leave to reduce tension within the writing team''" and "''Staten was brought back into the studio just before launch for final polish, after the writing team's differences had been settled.''" '''But that isn't what Paul said. [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602511567307816960 tension] and [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602513112850378752 settled differences] wasn't from the "writing team", it was with [[Marcus Lehto]].'''
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| =====Joe was likely on the "humans are forerunners" side=====
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| As this point is not 100% confirmed, I am not stating it as fact. And I do not claim it must be included. However, I believe it's clear that this is almost certainly true. And if the article is going to include this topic, (which I believe it currently does, from implications where Joe "settled differences" with the "writing team") In the effort to be neutral, it should at least be put up alongside any claims otherwise.
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| Joe is known for being the "Director of Cinematics" on [[Halo: Combat Evolved credits|Halo 1]] and [[Halo 2 credits|Halo 2]], and (essentially lead) writer of Halo 2 (And also essentially Halo 1). On his LinkedIn he states he was [https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-staten-8196015/details/experience/ "''Creative lead responsible for developing the story foundations of the Halo universe''"]. There are countless examples of Joe being integral to Halo's original lore and story. You can also analyze that he often uses religious parallels (The [[Ark]] was used against the [[Flood]] etc.) and [[religion]] has a huge role in Halo's main story. If he didn't come up with the idea that humans are forerunners on his own he certainly subscribed to it. The article notes that in the [[Earth Ark#Escaping the Ark|original ending for Halo 2]] this was going to be revealed at the end of the game, and of course it was revealed in his book Contact Harvest.
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| * The key here is as noted by Paul, and the game team had different ideas about the forerunners than the terminals team, and Joe Staten worked on Halo 3's story team ''near the'' '''''end''''' ''of development.'' On his LinkedIn Joe states the on Halo 3 he: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-staten-8196015/ "''''''Provided design and story feedback, as well as wrote and re-wrote dialog and cinematic scripts to help these games hit AAA levels of polish.'''''".]
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| Joe was likely writing on Halo 3's story with the intention that humans are forerunners, as that would explain certain dialogue from Halo 3's story implying so. Dialogue from the [[Prophet of Truth]] even seems to directly link to the reveal in Contact Harvest, In the book, after [[Mendicant Bias]] reveals that the humans on [[Harvest]] are his makers, The prophets react by saying "''The forerunners... some were left behind.''" In Halo 3, truth tells [[Johnson]]: [https://www.halopedia.org/The_Covenant_(level)#Journey's_End "''Your forefathers wisely set aside their compassion(...) I see now why they left you behind.''"]
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| * '''1. Rewrite with the understanding that Bungie was split on the issue, the "Game" side and "Terminal" side offering different ideas from each other, and that both were approved by management. '''
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| * '''2. Rewrite with the currently understood truth as from Paul, the terminals were written as with the forerunners being a subsect of ancient humans uplifted by most likely precursors, and not separate species. This should likely also be addressed in the section "In''' '''''The Forerunner Saga"''''' '''
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| * '''3. Rewrite that Contact Harvest was only contradicting the terminals team's idea, not "Bungie" as a whole.'''
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| * '''3a. If the article is to include Joe Staten's involvement with Halo 3 forerunners, it should be neutral, and not take any one claim over the other. If the article includes a side of the story that Joe was writing with the "Terminals" team's idea, it should also include a side that he was writing on the "Game" team's idea.'''
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| I know this was long and the topic has been endlessly controversial, But I'm not trying to flame anyone and again, just want accuracy and neutrality.
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| [[User:TNS22|TNS22]] ([[User talk:TNS22|talk]]) 02:30, December 19, 2022 (EST)
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| : Weird. I've not kept up on the details here but to me the Terminals have always shown that Forerunners were just ancient humans and not a separate species. I thought that distinction was only introduced in the Forerunner saga novels... -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:32, December 19, 2022 (EST)
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| ::I believe that my points are being left as they are, so I'm adding my proposed changes. [[User:TNS22|TNS22]] ([[User talk:TNS22|talk]]) 10:03, December 19, 2022 (EST)
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| :::Us on the team are still discussing stuff regarding this on the Discord! 😀 We'll probably post here after/before we done some Tweeks!-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 14:08, December 19, 2022 (EST)
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| ::::Ok! So I've seen the new [https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Terminal_(Halo_3)&oldid=1565945 edit] from [[User:Tacitus|Tacitus]] and I have to say I'm thrilled with this! I really have to thank the staff for being able to take the criticism and keeping all my proposed changes! I was honestly thinking this would be a much more heated discussion, but I'm very glad it's been calm and simple.
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| ::::And the decision to merge down the "In ''The Forerunner Saga''" into the "Production Notes" section is a really great one, it looks much nicer this way. I think having the main issue in it's own part in there is also the right move.
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| ::::The lore clarifications and additions made are also appreciated, I think the article is super clear and accurate to current knowledge about all the little details and contentions. In particular the clarification on the exact differences between the original idea and the terminals/iris are really good. Also the point on The Forerunner Saga's point of view is great too, I struggled find a way to word that myself, good change.
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| ::::As someone on the original side of the debate I do want to say that I don't agree with the part on where it says where Contact Harvest and lines Halo 3 may imply the original idea wouldn't be contradictions with the terminals, if they ''do'' mean to say Forerunners are ancient humans as originally thought than wouldn't that be a contradiction the terminals? And isn't that proven for Contact Harvest? I think a better way to say it is that they could be understood in another context regardless. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. But of course given that we don't know what the actual intentions of any exact lines I'm not saying for certain, and I suppose this could be a way of being neutral showing "both sides" as I originally proposed so I'll just leave it at that. :P
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| ::::The one and only thing I think should be changed is the edit from:
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| :::: * '''"However, it is not known exactly what stance he might have taken on the team." --> "However, how much he knew remains uncertain"''''
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| ::::I don't understand the new phrasing here, It's not about knowledge, it's about what Joe's intention was right? Isn't it about if he was writing with the original forerunners idea or the new one? If the idea is to make it less combative I think it should be:
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| :::: * ''''"However, what his intentions might have been remains uncertain."''' or '''"However, what implications he may had remains uncertain."'''
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| ::::Or something along those lines.
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| ::::Again, thanks for listening and for all the great additions! I imagine it was a little tense but I think this has worked out just fine. [[User:TNS22|TNS22]] ([[User talk:TNS22|talk]]) 12:36, December 20, 2022 (EST)
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| :::::Glad to have this resolved. For the record, I actually agree with your points (and interpretation of Russel's tweets ''and'' the terminals) as do several others in the team. It was mostly just a matter of phrasing things right.
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| :::::To clarify: ''Contact Harvest'' is not an ''explicit'' contradiction because the information is presented to us by an in-universe character (Mendicant Bias) who may be mistaken. Now, this was almost certainly not Joe Staten's intent at the time, but it's a reasonable interpretation in a scenario where humans and Forerunners are biologically near-identical (which may still be the case if they were uplifted early humans; the biological connection in the original context could've been very close, we just don't know), same with Truth, Guilty Spark, or the Gravemind alluding to humans as being Forerunners. It only becomes a contradiction after the Forerunner Saga clearly establishes them as distinct species, to the point that them being mistaken for the same one isn't as likely anymore. Nevertheless, I see your point about that sentence and it's been changed. --[[User:Tacitus|Tacitus]] ([[User talk:Tacitus|talk]]) 13:19, December 20, 2022 (EST)
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| ::::::I'm glad that we agree, and also to have this resolved. While I still personally think Contact Harvest contradicts the terminals because of Staten's intention, I suppose it's a matter of [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist Watsonian versus Doylist] ideology. And also yeah, I think it's good for neutrality.
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| ::::::Finally, I also want to ask if [[Forerunner#Production_notes]] should be updated. I think actions removing "Potentially" from Contact Harvest's mention and changing/clarifying the part about "During the development of Halo 3, this changed so that humans and Forerunners were suggested to be distinct from one another" should be done. [[User:TNS22|TNS22]] ([[User talk:TNS22|talk]]) 13:57, December 20, 2022 (EST)
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| :::::::Feel free to update the relevant section of the Forerunner article if you like, using this one as a base yeah. No need to ask permission for stuff like that - usually if they're not being done it's simply because someone's just not got around to it yet lol.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 14:00, December 20, 2022 (EST)
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