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The problem with this is it treats Bungie as a monolith that wholesale changed the forerunners in Halo 3. '''This is not the full truth.''' | The problem with this is it treats Bungie as a monolith that wholesale changed the forerunners in Halo 3. '''This is not the full truth.''' | ||
Paul Russel later clarified [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1603050616028368897 "''The game and terminal writers were separate teams with overlap; they didn’t think the discrepancy would matter; management vetting never read or cared about continuity; morning bagels were more important than canon.''"] Acknowledging that [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602720596328169475 "''H3 shipped with both versions and both were approved''".] | Paul Russel later clarified [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1603050616028368897 "''The game and terminal writers were separate teams with overlap; they didn’t think the discrepancy would matter; management vetting never read or cared about continuity; morning bagels were more important than canon.''"] Acknowledging that [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602720596328169475 "''H3 shipped with both versions and both were approved''".] | ||
* According to Russel, Halo 3 shipped with the "Game" team and the "Terminals" team having '''contradicting ideas on the forerunners, and both were approved''' as management was more focused on shipping the game. | * According to Russel, Halo 3 shipped with the "Game" team and the "Terminals" team having '''contradicting ideas on the forerunners, and both were approved by''' as management was more focused on shipping the game. | ||
====Terminal forerunners were also early humans==== | ====Terminal forerunners were also early humans==== | ||
Paul also later then clarifies that according his friend who was on the terminal writing team [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1603053863866880000 "''the (terminal) forerunners were a “…subset of early humans uplifted by another group (the precursors?)”.''".] Indicating that in even in the Halo 3 terminals, Forerunners weren't yet entirely separate as depicted in later works by 343i (Forerunner Saga, Halo 4 etc.). The article does bring this up, but notes it as "''disagreement even within the terminal writing team''". | Paul also later then clarifies that according his friend who was on the terminal writing team [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1603053863866880000 "''the (terminal) forerunners were a “…subset of early humans uplifted by another group (the precursors?)”.''".] Indicating that in even in the Halo 3 terminals, Forerunners weren't yet entirely separate as depicted in later works by 343i (Forerunner Saga, Halo 4 etc.). The article does bring this up, but notes it as "''disagreement even within the terminal writing team''". | ||
* But as Paul is clearly saying this is what he was told by '''''a member of the terminal writing team''''' this isn't a "disagreement". '''This is what the terminals actually say.''' Unless another member of the terminal writing | * But as Paul is clearly saying this is what he was told by '''''a member of the terminal writing team''''' this isn't a "disagreement". '''This is what the terminals actually say.''' Unless another member of the terminal writing says something different, this is truth as from Paul. | ||
Of course we later see that the forerunners ''were'' changed to be an entirely separate species in The Forerunner Saga, but that is clearly a change from the terminals. The article already has an section dedicated to differences from the terminals to those books, this is just another one. | Of course we later see that the forerunners ''were'' changed to be an entirely separate species in The Forerunner Saga, but that is clearly a change from the terminals. The article already has an section dedicated to differences from the terminals to those books, this is just another one. | ||
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The article notes that [[Joseph Staten]] and was placed on administrative leave during a period of Halo 3's development, and meanwhile wrote the book [[Contact Harvest]] which included information that humans are forerunners. The article then claims "''Staten was therefore not privy to what was going on with the decisions made for the terminals, explaining his novel's contradiction with Bungie's new stance that humans and Forerunners were separate species.''". But as explained above; "Bungie" did not have a "new stance" wholesale, and Terminal forerunners were also early humans. | The article notes that [[Joseph Staten]] and was placed on administrative leave during a period of Halo 3's development, and meanwhile wrote the book [[Contact Harvest]] which included information that humans are forerunners. The article then claims "''Staten was therefore not privy to what was going on with the decisions made for the terminals, explaining his novel's contradiction with Bungie's new stance that humans and Forerunners were separate species.''". But as explained above; "Bungie" did not have a "new stance" wholesale, and Terminal forerunners were also early humans. | ||
* The article tries to explain this by that first part of the quote being directly from [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602510864774582272 Paul's tweet], '''but tacks on the second part to fit the incorrect context the author is giving it. Paul only mentioned the terminals here, not all of Bungie.''' Also the reason stated for Joe's leave is incorrect, with "''he was placed on temporary administrative leave to reduce tension within the writing team''" and "''Staten was brought back into the studio just before launch for final polish, after the writing team's differences had been settled.''" '''But that isn't what Paul said. [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602511567307816960 tension] and [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602513112850378752 settled differences] wasn't from | * The article tries to explain this by that first part of the quote being directly from [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602510864774582272 Paul's tweet], '''but tacks on the second part to fit the incorrect context the author is giving it. Paul only mentioned the terminals here, not all of Bungie.''' Also the reason stated for Joe's leave is incorrect, with "''he was placed on temporary administrative leave to reduce tension within the writing team''" and "''Staten was brought back into the studio just before launch for final polish, after the writing team's differences had been settled.''" '''But that isn't what Paul said. [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602511567307816960 tension] and [https://twitter.com/docabominable/status/1602513112850378752 settled differences] wasn't from "writing team", it was with [[Marcus Lehto]].''' | ||
=====Joe was likely on the "humans are forerunners" side===== | =====Joe was likely on the "humans are forerunners" side===== | ||
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I know this was long and the topic has been endlessly controversial, But I'm not trying to flame anyone and again, just want accuracy and neutrality. | I know this was long and the topic has been endlessly controversial, But I'm not trying to flame anyone and again, just want accuracy and neutrality. | ||
[[User:TNS22|TNS22]] ([[User talk:TNS22|talk]]) 02:30, December 19, 2022 (EST) | [[User:TNS22|TNS22]] ([[User talk:TNS22|talk]]) 02:30, December 19, 2022 (EST) | ||