Editing Talk:Team Omega

==Number of Members and affiliation with Red Team==
In the Halo Wars announcement trailer we see 5. In-game we see 6. This article however claims that there are 3, 4, 5 and 6. This needs to be cleaned up. From what I recall from the game there were 6 in total but I don't remember the exact makeup of male/female and the weapons distribution. 6 however were dropped into the fray via Pelicans, 2 Pelicans to be exact.

As for their affiliation, I've seen multiple references made in the Halopedia so far that have claimed that Jerome, Alice and Douglas are part of Team Omega stemming from the HBO reference page. It's also claimed that Team Omega was assigned during the Fall of Reach as one of the Red Team subdivisions. I don't see anything which supports that currently, does anyone else? Luckly that does not appear here, however Team Omega is still being listed under Red Team though I do not recall an Omega mentioned elsewhere or at any time until the the HW trailer.

I don't want to make any revisions until we can get some discussion and come to a consensus. --[[User talk:Avatar of Chaos|Avatar of Chaos]] 12:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The Spartans that arrive at the end of Arcadia Outskirts are Team Omega, I'm pretty sure this is the only time we see them. As the transcript reads "This is Omega Team, this sector is clear, we're gone." Although Douglas, Jerome and Alice join the Spirit of Fire its unclear as to which subdivision they belong.

Halo Wars (Arcadia Outskirts) provides a direct source for the number of Spartans in Team Omega. Any number higher would need sourcing elsewhere to prove it, while any number fewer from another source is irrelevant because we see that there was more members in Halo Wars... unless of course it makes an effort to state that the number in Arcadia Outskirts was incorrect.

So... the solution is simple, someone needs to play Arcadia Outskirts and count the number of Spartans that arrive to help Douglas, Alice and Jerome. But take caution, whilst difficulty affects the number of enemy units in play, I'm unsure whether it has any relation to friendly support. Perhaps a few trials are necessary. Good hunting, -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 23:32, 06 May 2009 (GMT)

:It's a bit murkier. In the gameplay cinematic before the Arcadia City level, 6 total Spartans appear on Cutter's viewscreen taking part in a ground battle in what is likely Pirth. The level, however, features 4 non-playable Spartans. Keiichi, Jerome, Douglas and Linda. This is regardless of difficulty.

:In Arcadia Outskirts, Jerome, Douglas and Linda (Red Team) accompany Forge and his men. The level is scripted to wait about 18-20 minutes for Team Omega from what I've experienced in testing it, who drop as 6 Spartans out of 2 Pelicans regardless of difficulty level in that in-game scene regardless of difficulty. Keiichi is not specifically named as a member of Omega and did not accompany the group in the gameplay. If we do not include him in the ranks of Team Omega, that means at least 10 Spartans were operating on Arcadia, if Omega's appearance is canonical and not a gameplay convention. Regardless, there is no point where Team Omega is specifically designated a part of Red Team and despite a confirmed Red Team being present there was no subdesignation assigned to Jerome's group.

:If we're going to try to use speculation as a basis for including information in the article or in saying that Team Omega is a part of Red Team I can easily speculate other plausible scenarios that are just as likely and just as valid. --[[User talk:Avatar of Chaos|Avatar of Chaos]] 14:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

In response to Avatar of Chaos' other points, its true, there isn't actually a point in-game where Team Omega are classified as part of Red Team, are they? Team Omega presence outside Halo Wars needs sourcing to clarify particular assumptions, such as their participation at Reach. For all we know, Omega may be a subgroup of Green Team, for example. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 23:41, 06 May 2009 (GMT)

It is a Red Team Splinter with 4 males and 2 females.

==Keiichi==
Are we assuming that he is part of Omega now? I notice we're referring to Red Team as Jerome, Douglas and Linda and then mentioning Omega, but forgetting completely that Keiichi was involved in the engagement at Pirth City. There was a 4 Spartans in the City. 3 met up with Omega. As the article currently reads it omits that.--[[User talk:Avatar of Chaos|Avatar of Chaos]] 22:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, should sign your comments, but that's not important... This article currently reads there were six Spartans in Team Omega... that Team Omega (as we are assuming they're in Red Team) split up with Jerome, Douglas and Alice (not Linda) who we know were Red Team. When was Keiichi involved in the engagement at Pirth City, can you make a citation for this please? Anyway, regarding Keiichi and the Unnamed Spartan listed on Red Team at that page, I wouldn't look in to it too deeply, as they seem more like promotional material... backed up by that in game, you don't see any Spartans until the Arcadia tour, to be honest they should probably be removed from Red Team. This article currently reads that there were 9 Spartans in the city by the way: Jerome, Douglas, Alice and Team Omega. I hope that sort of clears things up for you in some way. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 12:46, 30 May 2009 (GMT)

If you've played the game then it should be extremely obvious that Keiichi was at Pirth City given that Keiichi is one of the 4 Spartans along with Jerome, Douglas and Alice that are computer controlled NPC's during mission 4 and assist you in protecting the transports. Scroll over all 4 Spartans in the level and you will see their names. The cutscene prior to the level shows 6 (unknown) engaged in battle on Cutter's viewscreen. Gameplay tells us that there are 4 (Keiichi, Jerome, Alice, Douglas) in Pirth City. 9 appear in the following level (6 Omega + 3 (Jerome, Alice, Douglas) and Keiichi was not present per the gameplay unless he was a member of Omega. If my math is correct, that means as many as 10 Spartans are present on Arcadia, which of course assumes that Keiichi is not an Omega member. --[[User talk:Avatar of Chaos|Avatar of Chaos]] 22:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I played the level a few times, had a good scan around, but I can't spot Keiichi anywhere, are you sure its him? Maybe you're mistaking him for another Spartan. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 17:20, 2 June 2009 (GMT)

Keichii does not appear in game, ever. --[[w:c:halo:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[w:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br />21:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


==Reach?==
Were they present at the battle of Reach. if they were are they dead

i doubt, since they are probably still stuck on the Spirit of Fire on the end of halo 3. oh and please sign your posts...--[[User talk:Fipas|Fipas]] 23:05, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

First off sir, um, The Spirit of Fire was in Halo Wars and they left after they took back the city. They were also protecting acradia while red team took back pirth, so maybe they died durnind the second battle of Arcadia-NotaAnon 4:08 PM April 25, 2010

read better next time, i said STILL STUCK wich means that before H3 happens they were stil stuck on the SoF, and i don't know where did you got the idea that they participated on the 2nd battle of arcadia, since in the last cutscene of HW you can see that the SoF is still in the system of the shield world, and with ou their slipspace drive, it would take them years to leave that system, much less get all the way back to arcadia or even reach! --[[User talk:Fipas|Fipas]] 21:14, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Fipas your thinking of Jerome-092, Douglass-042 and Alice-130, Red Team. Team Omega Leaves after they take back the City Of Pirth- NotaAnon

oh...i thought they were the same, sorry then, my bad--[[User talk:Fipas|Fipas]] 21:32, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but does anybody Know if they participated in the Fall Of Reach-NotaAnon

==Let's Find out Roughly who was in Team Omega==
*This is going by the basis that they are preexisting SPARTANs, albeit unnamed.
The female Spartans that could fit the role include:
*Daisy
*Linda
*Maria
*Kelly
*Grace
*Carris
*Cal
*Sheila
*Vinh

Now let's rule people out.
*Daisy - was KIA on Harvest, she's gone.
*Linda - Served with Blue Team, can't be her
*Maria - it has been implied that she was too wounded to actively serve for most of the war. That would rule her out.
*Kelly - same as Linda

So that gives us 5 females who are the likely candidates for Team Omega (Remember this is assuming 343i don't stuff it up by saying that they're 6 new, totally different Spartans).

Now the Males:
There are a lot, so this one will be much more vague than the females. Straight away we can rule out John, Fred and Kurt as they were in Blue Team in 2531. Also Sam died in 2525, as did the Unidentified Spartan who participated in the Harvest Campaign. Minus Jerome and Douglas from Red Team, all participants of grey and black and Randall. That gives us a whopping 14 potential members of Team Gamma. Now I believe Keiichi is definately in the team, so 3 or 4 of the males of Team Gamma could be:
 	SPARTAN-008: Li - Listed as MIA during Slipspace anomaly battle. Assumed KIA due to nearby plasma torpedo detonation. 
 	SPARTAN-029: Joshua - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA during the Fall of Reach due to a direct hit from a Covenant cruiser's plasma weaponry. 
 	SPARTAN-034: Samuel - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA due to destruction of the Covenant ship they had boarded. First to destroy a Covenant ship in a non-ship to ship battle. 
 	SPARTAN-039: Isaac - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA after the Fall of Reach. 
 	SPARTAN-043: William - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA by Hunter pair during the Battle of Onyx. 
 	SPARTAN-044: Anton - MIA during Slipspace anomaly battle, though assumed KIA due to nearby plasma torpedo detonation. 
 	SPARTAN-052: Jorge - Listed as MIA, confirmed KIA during the Fall of Reach after detonating a slipspace bomb on a Covenant Corvette. 
 	SPARTAN-059: Malcolm - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA during the Fall of Reach. 
 	SPARTAN-069: Solomon - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA by Covenant antimatter charge decoy during a SPARTAN mission to rescue Dr. Catherine Halsey. 
 	SPARTAN-079: Arthur - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA by Seraph-class starfighters during SPARTAN mission to rescue Dr. Catherine Halsey. 
 	SPARTAN-122: Joseph - Status unknown, last seen in 2525. Assumed KIA during Fall of Reach. 
 	"Beta Red Actual" - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA during the Fall of Reach. 
 	"Red-Fifteen" - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA during the Fall of Reach. 
        and Keiichi

<font color="black">Something<b>Different</b></font> 19:27, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
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 Hey, I played the level a few times, had a good scan around, but I can't spot Keiichi anywhere, are you sure its him? Maybe you're mistaking him for another Spartan. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 17:20, 2 June 2009 (GMT)
-Keichii does not appear in game, ever. --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br />21:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
+Keichii does not appear in game, ever. --[[w:c:halo:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[w:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br />21:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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 <font color="black">Something<b>Different</b></font> 19:27, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
-:Not bad deduction. We have too little information to figure out who exacty was present though. :\ -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 21:35, 10 March 2012 (EST)
-==Omega Team on the Spirit of Fire==
-well i always tought that they were on it cause on the level Cleansing i would some times get them instead of Red Team but now im more sure of it because ive seen sources leading to nurse Hershey's personal logs me loveing Halo wars i had to read them and one of them said A new enemy.... The Flood it dont come out and say it but eny way the last thing it says is "More incoming in a minute.  Omega.  God, what would happen if one of them turned?"
-heres the link to it http://www.graemedevine.com/graemedevine/Spirit_of_Fire/Entries/2009/2/2_Incoming.html
-so eny way its something to note --[[User talk:10of13|10of13]] 20:36, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
-:By his own admission, what's posted on Graeme Devine's personal website is fan fiction. Please correctly me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I have seen 343 Industries acknowledge it as canon. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 21:31, 10 March 2012 (EST)
-::yeah he said "Bits and pieces not in the game, but made to support the story and help the team get the vibe of what it was like to be on “Spirit of Fire”. (essentially this is fan fiction)" but they are alluded to in the game(some what) like Hershey is talked about in the Halo Wars timeline 12 March 2531 theirs even concept art showing the cat on the ship but anyway i thank it should at lest be noted I know this stuff may not be canon but at one time I believe it was. --[[User talk:10of13|10of13]] 17:48, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
-:::That's essentially correct. Nurse Hershey and Chief Engineer Prescott exist in canon as they are mentioned in the in-game timeline, even if their journal entries from Devine's website aren't canon. Some elements, like Team Omega being on ''Spirit of Fire'', are not canon, since only Jerome, Douglas, and Alice actually left Arcadia. Another glaringly non-canon element of Mr. Devine's "fan fiction" is the Cyclops being designed as a shock infantry platform and being replaced by the SPARTAN-IIIs; ''The Essential Visual Guide'' provides a totally different and much more believable background. For the most part these fanfic pieces don't blatantly contradict established canon, but 343 Industries doesn't seem to acknowledge their existence, so I tend to ignore them as well. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 19:22, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- Well unless its also stated some were else in the canon(if so please tell me were) one of his fanfics i thank its called "what happen to the spirit of fire" or something like that. talks about how the families of those on the spirit fought to keep them as MIA and to release more information about what happen to them one of the Waypoint videos mentioned that as well (im not saying there canon but you COULD look at them in a ILB way) --[[User talk:10of13|10of13]] 14:23, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
-== Omega in Infinite ==
-Regarding the newly-added images of Omega's Halsey-refit Mk. IV armour in Halo: Infinite, I would suggest retaking them (and editing the associated text) to remove all three helmet attachments (BRONTES, GHOSWHIT, and TYPHON-X). The only reason Omega's images are shown equipped with them is purely to show off the contents of the store bundle. The helmets come with an optional attachment, like every Mk. IV helmet in the store, but none of them are actually utilised by the canon Omega Team in any of their previous depictions.
-Omega Team never use the Corinthian Sigil, yet every screenshot released by 343 shows at least one of them equipped with it - because it's in the Bundle. Omega Team don't use green 'Enlisted' visors, but the images for the Ardent, Paladin and Valiant bundles all show them. This is not some new addition to their armour - it's because their Bundles don't include visors, plain and simple.
-I would suggest retaking these images with the helmet attachments removed, and to better suit their canon depictions, either the Noble, Vandal, or Aurum Evolved visors. [[Special:Contributions/2.29.64.207|2.29.64.207]] 10:32, January 31, 2024 (EST)