Editing Talk:Te

*removed speculation that the planet orbited Installation 02 '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
**Fair enough. Just making an educated guess. --[[User:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 00:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

How would the elites move, let alone fight on a planet with nearly 2 more gravities than their homeworld? --[[User talk:Jaguartalon|Jaguartalon]] 20:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Send in rangers? Antigrav tech could reduce the gravity felt.[[User talk:That Geek|That Geek]] 07:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

==Stub==
Is this really a stub? In my view it has a fair amount of information to be complete. [[User talk:TailSpin|TailSpin]] 03:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

== Gas giant ==

So, a while ago [https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2988575_Catalog-Interaction.aspx#post2988575 Catalog stated] that Te is a gas giant. This creates an inconsistency with the [[Bestiarum]], which clearly describes the planet as a terrestrial one. Previously, ''Contact Harvest'' mentioned that the Lekgolo were first encountered in the rings of a gas giant that was never named, so the inconsistency could be bypassed by assuming this gas giant was a Lekgolo colony separate from Te (something that is presently reflected in our relevant articles). But with Catalog's statement supporting the idea that the gas giant mentioned in ''Contact Harvest'' was indeed Te, should we simply ignore the Bestiarum's descriptions when it comes to the canonical article body and note the discrepancy accordingly? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 02:12, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
:The discrepancy should be noted, but I'd consider the Bestiarum as higher in the canonical hierarchy since it was material from a game, making it the supreme source in this case. I favor sticking with it. We could also explain the Bestiarum's description of Te as an error made by 343 Guilty Spark, as his observations are noted to be "under investigation."--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:45, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
::Both the Bestiarum and the original Visual Guide entry on Hunters refer to Te as though it's a rock/metal world and not a gas giant. Gas giants do not possess a surface as such and are gas to the core. The core only exists at crushing depths often made from metallic hydrogen...a hydrogen so densely packed it's atomic structure lines up  like a lattice structure in a metal. Suffice it to say, nothing would live there. Catalog has not been infallible, so I'd chalk this up to a mistake on its part which may get resolved. Simply put, Te cannot be a gas giant if it has a surface and things live on it. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 22:32, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
:::Would you say that the mention of the Lekgolo living in the rings of a gas giant in ''Contact Harvest'' was also in error and that said ringed planet was in fact meant to be Te, or that the ringed gas giant was in fact a different planet? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 23:16, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

:My understanding has always been that out-of-universe statements of canon trump fictional works set in-universe, except where a clear contradition that isn't an outright retcon occurs. It looks like Contact Harvest was retconning the Bestiarum, and then the Visual Guide retconned it back, and now Catalog is re-retconning it. Assuming that more recent sources are more reliable, I would say that Te has to be a gas giant, and that previous statements treating it as a literal homeworld that the Lekgolo originated on are no longer valid. Of course, 343i could handwave it all by playing the "alien biology" card... -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:11, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

::The Lekgolo (through whatever means) had the capability to venture into space. It need not be the case that the ring material they are found on orbiting a gas giant is the same as their terrestrial home world. If you read the content of the Bestiarum, it's clear that their homeworld has a solid ground with mining concerns on the surface when the Sangheili arrived. You won't find mining metals and minerals in a gas giant. Next time I contact Catalog, I'll ask for clarification. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:10, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

:Once again, Te is stated to be a gas giant in ''Broken Circle'' (page 186). - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 23:24, 4 November 2014 (EST)

::And now, with the release of the ''H2A'' terminals which again assert Te is synonymous with the ringed gas giant where the Lekgolo were first encountered, the evidence for a retcon is pretty damning. I guess we'll just have to ignore the Bestiarum on this particular matter—it always did have that caveat noting that all of the information may not be 100% accurate for in-universe reasons. Maybe whatever Forerunner entity compiled the Bestiarum misinterpreted Te's nature and the stated mining operations actually occurred on Te's many moons instead? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:51, 16 November 2014 (EST)

:::The ''Encyclopedia'' claims that it simply looks like a gas giant and is often mistaken as one. Apparently the gaseous clouds that cover the planet were formed when the Lekgolo ate the Forerunner orbital ring, which emitted the gas. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 13:22, 16 November 2014 (EST)
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+*removed speculation that the planet orbited Installation 02 '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
-*removed speculation that the planet orbited Installation 02 '''Honour Light Your Way - '''File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 **Fair enough. Just making an educated guess. --[[User:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 00:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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 :::Would you say that the mention of the Lekgolo living in the rings of a gas giant in ''Contact Harvest'' was also in error and that said ringed planet was in fact meant to be Te, or that the ringed gas giant was in fact a different planet? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 23:16, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
-:My understanding has always been that out-of-universe statements of canon trump fictional works set in-universe, except where a clear contradition that isn't an outright retcon occurs. It looks like Contact Harvest was retconning the Bestiarum, and then the Visual Guide retconned it back, and now Catalog is re-retconning it. Assuming that more recent sources are more reliable, I would say that Te has to be a gas giant, and that previous statements treating it as a literal homeworld that the Lekgolo originated on are no longer valid. Of course, 343i could handwave it all by playing the "alien biology" card... -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:11, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
+:My understanding has always been that out-of-universe statements of canon trump fictional works set in-universe, except where a clear contradition that isn't an outright retcon occurs. It looks like Contact Harvest was retconning the Bestiarum, and then the Visual Guide retconned it back, and now Catalog is re-retconning it. Assuming that more recent sources are more reliable, I would say that Te has to be a gas giant, and that previous statements treating it as a literal homeworld that the Lekgolo originated on are no longer valid. Of course, 343i could handwave it all by playing the "alien biology" card... -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:11, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
 ::The Lekgolo (through whatever means) had the capability to venture into space. It need not be the case that the ring material they are found on orbiting a gas giant is the same as their terrestrial home world. If you read the content of the Bestiarum, it's clear that their homeworld has a solid ground with mining concerns on the surface when the Sangheili arrived. You won't find mining metals and minerals in a gas giant. Next time I contact Catalog, I'll ask for clarification. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:10, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
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 :::The ''Encyclopedia'' claims that it simply looks like a gas giant and is often mistaken as one. Apparently the gaseous clouds that cover the planet were formed when the Lekgolo ate the Forerunner orbital ring, which emitted the gas. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 13:22, 16 November 2014 (EST)
-::::Despite the Encyclopedia's reputation, we could actually use that bit of info, which while not the perfect explanation may be preferable to fully dismissing the Bestiarum info as non-canonical. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:10, 17 November 2014 (EST)
-The new Bulletin {{Plain|[http://youtu.be/w1MmH1l4XzA confirms]}} (in response to Mr. Loftus, in fact) that Te is a gas giant. How should we go about adjusting the article? --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:09, 13 February 2015 (EST)
-:I had asked 4 questions (from Talk pages here on Halopedia) of 343i the other day. I was surprised that they chose that format to answer, but at least we have something definitive from them now. Despite their claim that the questions came from Twitter (I don't have an account), I had just sent them in via email. I would assume linking to the video should be fine. They may ultimately make it more explicit on Waypoint sometime as well. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:26, 13 February 2015 (EST)
-::I suppose we state that the planet is often mistakenly called a terrestrial planet when it is a gas planet. Then, either in the Trivia section or as a note, we mention that Te's planet type is very inconsistent with several contradicting sources. Although lines such as "the Sangheili also confronted the Lekgolo on the surface of Te" will have to be altered somehow. Lines like "very high concentrations of rare metals in its crust" can be changed, as no source I can find actually states that the metal is found in the crust. I wish that 343i just decided Te was a terrestrial planet. It makes more sense, in my opinion. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 19:54, 13 February 2015 (EST)