Editing Talk:Sumda'te-pattern Scarab

--[[User:Shun Kanamee|Shun Kanamee]] ([[User talk:Shun Kanamee|talk]]) 18:36, 14 March 2014 (EDT)How many feet feet long, tall, and width is the Super Scarab? And how big is it compared to the Harvester? I need to know.

: I don't actually know. Since it was not one of the objects included in the first Halo Visual Guide, I didn't have any of the scans or data on that Scarab. I could figure it out if I had the model as I helped devise the measurements of ''Halo Wars'' objects for the book but I don't if any extracted mesh models from the game exist out there. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 20:16, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

==Catalog confirms==
Catalog just confirmed that the Halo 2 Scarab is the T-36 Scarab. Any thoughts or disagreements before I do a massive overhaul of the T-36 and T-47 pages?[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 01:09, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
:Now that I see it, the "head" of the Super-Scarab looks very similar to the H2 Scarab's "head".--[[User:Dr Mutran|They&#39;re coming. They&#39;re hungry.]] ([[User talk:Dr Mutran|talk]]) 01:19, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
::For a long time the T-47 page assumed that the Scarab in Halo Wars was a Halo 2 Scarab. Then one day [[Halo 4: The Essential Visual Guide]] popped up to put an end to that. Though me and Stephen Loftus had a discussion before I made this page and did say that the T-36 wasn't the Halo 2 Scarab. Of course 343 may have changed their minds on it.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 01:23, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
:::Seems to have been overwritten. The original source of the Halo 2 and 3 Scarabs both being the T-47 was from the Scarab entry in the first Visual Guide, where Halo 2 is cited as an appearance, yet only T-47 appears in any descriptions on the page. This was actually discussed during the production of the book. The reference in the Halo 4 Visual Guide to T-36 was intended to refer to the Halo Wars variant, but it seems that Catalog has retconned that now. If I can follow up with them, I'll post in again. Don't change it just yet - remember, Palace Hotel is still explicitly referring to the "tee forty-seven" as the Halo 2 Scarab. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 14:39, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
::::Okay I'll wait.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 16:33, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

So it's been about two months and the MCC is right around the corner. Did you get an answer Stephen?[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 17:11, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

:When I'd last messaged Catalog, it was still being bandied about. I just sent a follow up so hopefully I'll get a response in a day or so. Thanks for the reminder...this one had slipped past me.[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 21:22, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

::Sounds good. I'll still work on the [[User:Sith Venator/Draft|draft]] until then.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 00:43, 23 October 2014 (EDT)

I know it has been a few months, but I wanted to through my two cents in. First of all, in regards to [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] on August of 2014, I would take anything Palace Hotel says with a grain of salt. Remember it is an alternate telling of Halo 2, so it's not explicitly canon. Second I don't usually like retcons at all but with the gathering of more information, the statement from Catalog, and the very appearance of the Type 36 in comparison to the Type 47, I would say 343 has retconned the Scarab from Halo 2 as being a Super Scarab. They appear the same in design and size and both sport super powered main guns in comparison to the Halo 3 type scarab.

I know I am a junior member, so what I say doesn't mean much at all. But I just wanted to throw in my support of including the Halo 2 Scarab in the Type 36 article. Of course I do understand if we do not have enough information to do so.[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 10:56, 10 November 2014 (EST)

:''"I know I am a junior member, so what I say doesn't mean much at all."'': Veterancy on this wiki means nothing (save for the occasional "get a life!"). What matters is what you can contribute to the wiki. Just have to clarify this.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:11, 10 November 2014 (EST)

::Thanks. Also, Sith Venator I do have a suggestion on the draft. The main picture you have is very cool, but in my opinion does not make for a good main picture. The smog is covering up most of the vehicle. I would suggest putting the one you have below it, with the white background. It may not be as neat, but it gives a better view of the Scarab. I would keep the current main picture and put it in the gallery section however as it is neat and relevant to the article in question. However that is just what I would do and just a suggestion at that. Obviously the end result is up to you.[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 18:08, 10 November 2014 (EST)

:::As he said, it's only a draft made on his personal page, so this bad image would almost certainly never make it as the official page's main image. Anyway we'll probably get a better image of the ''Halo 2 Anniversary'' Scarab in the near future. Or at least, I hope so. I can't stand 343i's stance on not having Campaign Theater anymore. We'll have to rely on cinematics and, possibly, renders if Blur ever release some of their development stuff (not certain). More generally, I do suspect than the Scarab's designation was retconned, simply due to the fact that the ''Halo 2'' and the ''Halo 3'' versions look too different. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 18:34, 10 November 2014 (EST)

::::Yah, thanks for clarification. Like I said, I am new to this so I am still getting used to the procedure. If I ever come across as bossy or pushy, I apologize as that's not my intent. If I knew I had the authorization to do it, I would also try to change the page. But since he beat me to it and I would probably accidentally add information that is not confirmed, I feel like it's best for me to sit back and observe until I get enough experience. As such Sith is doing a great job on the draft, I just didn't know how they went. And that pisses me off about theater too. I liked to get different angles on things that happened on the game.[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 18:59, 10 November 2014 (EST)