Editing Talk:Special Operations Sangheili

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Just one question: What are hanging gardens, and what is the valley of tears? '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 03:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't recognize those names. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 03:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

== Isn't special ops the human title for them? ==

Doesn't make sense to combine English and the Sangheili language in the article title, don't you think it should be called "Special Operations Elite (Sangheili)"? I am not trying to cause controversy, just a simple question in my quest to make halopedia more understandable to the casual Halo player, and to make it more correct in it's use of Halo 3 terms. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 23:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)



I agree, things are getting way too confusing nowadays on Halopedia, it's supposed to have easy navigation, but when I looked at things like the weapons lists... it's just all gibberish and I had to go through them all to find a plasma rifle or whatever... it's got to be easier for newcomers to Halo and Halopedia. -- Joshua 029 (couldn't be arsed to sign in)

== colour scheme? ==

Im confused so the spec ops elites have dark blue armour and the spec ops majors and officers have very dark blue armour? is that right. [[User:Kami-Sama]]

I would just like to take this momment to say that spec ops KICK ASS YEAH!!!! [[User:Kami-Sama]]

is that a picture of a major elite on the main artical page the one that says elite weilding enegy sword on delta halo. [[User:Kami-Sama]]

Hell, yeah! The Spec Ops in Uprising can really kill! -[[User:Blemo|Blemo]]

== about the minor with a sword ==
BigQuote|Here is an intersting note. I was playing Delta Halo on Easy. A couple Minor Elites dropped down from a Phamtom and I charged foth to destroy them. Much to my suprise, one of the Minors dropped his weapon and drew a sword!
I wasent the one who put about the elite minor using a sword but who ever was please respond to this because I also played delta halo and there was a minor droped with a sword [[User:Kami-Sama|visit my page]]

:It was '''User:65.6.159.131''' on 19:16, 17 March 2007 you can leave a message on their [[User talk:65.6.159.131|IP talk page]] and they will see it next time they visit. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 15:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

yeah but it's intresting that a minor elite is wielding a energy sword plus if you do it on legendary mode it's an elite major who wields the sword. [[User:Kami-Sama]]

== A page for minor's ==

should some one make a page for the special operation minor elites it seems wierd that every elite rank has it's own page but the spec ops minor. [[User:Kami-Sama]]
:Feel free to do so. -[[User:ED|ED]] 21:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

how were do you go to start the page [[User:Kami-Sama]]
:Add the link to this page. Since the page doesn't exist yet, it will be red. Click on the red link to create the page. For example: Special Operations Minor Elite]]. -[[User:ED|ED]] 22:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks i get started [[User:Kami-Sama|KAMI]]

Seeing that no one ever made the page... I'm wondering if someone else wants to start on it. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> • <sup><small>[[Special:Mypage|<font color="#A9A9A9"><span class="insertusername">THE SOURCE OF SPAM</span></font>]] </small></sup> 04:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

i did make it some one deleted it [[User:Kami-Sama]]

== Flying ==

One can be seen floating on the Level cortana could somone take a picture of this and put it on this please? {{User:Capercorn/sig}} 04:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)



Are they even spec ops elites in H3? The so-called spec ops elite that player 4 uses, usze taham(I think) is fleet security, and he uses the assault harness.

: Yes, there are Spec Ops Elites in H3, as seen on the right. And please, sign your name. S331 15:34, August 30, 2010 (UTC)[[User:Spartan331|Spartan331]] 03:31 30 August 2010 (UTC)[[File:Halo_3_Spec_Ops_Elite.jpg|thumb|Picture taken on Floodgate, genius]]

== 3 Different Specop Ranks excluding Half-Jaw (the Commander) in Halo 2 ==

There are three different specop ranks in Halo 2
On The Oracle:
The first two elites you get are different ranks. The elite duel wielding plasma rifles will always have a dark BLUE color, almost like a Royal Blue. The other is just plain Black.
To confirm this, keep them alive after the "Elevator of Death", but before the "Infested Lab". There is one long hallway littered with dead heretic soldiers. Right in the middle of the Hallway, there is a "half-infected elite" that the Arbiter looks over. The light over it is VERY bright, equivalent to Master Chief's flashlight.

*This is the place Im talking about in The Oracle: Image:Curiosity16001200.jpg

If you kill both right next to each other, you will see that the duel wielding Specop has a nice dark blue color. The other specop elite has a dull black/aka light black pearlescent color, like the paint jobs on Need for Speed racing games.
I know that the Black Specop (aka Officer) is the higher ranking because they are seen the fewest and that he goes into the phantom right after Half Jaw when you go to cut the cables in The Oracle (After Cutscene of the Heretic Leader hiding behind plasma door). Then the Dark Blue Specop follows and then the grunts.
Im not sure if the Dark Blue Specop is a higher rank than the Dark Purple aka Plum colored Specop. I remeber seeing more Dark Purple specops in Halo 2 than the Dark Blue ones. But then again, my brother told me "isn't darker the better?"
I do know that both the Dark Blue and Black Specop have the same health. It takes 14 Carbine headshots to kill them (on Legendary).
Why do I know all of this? Because Im the only person in my state who pathetically spends his video gaming life playing Halo 2. Im sorry guys. No 360 for me.... Though I did have one for 29 days before returning it to Best Buy.
If anyone does play The Oracle, I hope they see the rank color difference like I did. I do remember seeing Dark Blue/Royal Blue specops on other levels like Gravemind and on The Great Journey (It is the Elite in the Spectre in the Begginning of the Level). When I first saw him, I figured his color looked that way just because of the lighting. Turns out I was wrong. Am I wrong? Thanks guys. Go Halo

You guys can call me the elitelover



No, I don't think you're saying this just to put it on the Talk page. I for one think you're on to something. I to play Halo 2 with much frequency (no 360 until September) and I have observed that the "Plum SpecOps", while seen the most frequently, is not the only Halo 2 SpecOps rank. Although many say the "Dark Blue SpecOps" is the only Halo 2 SpecOps rank, I have observed both in many levels (e.g. The Arbiter, The Oracle, Sacred Icon, Quarantine Zone, Gravemind, Uprising, The Great Journey), as well as a possible, mind you, "Dull Black" variant.

But, as many know the only two confirmed appearances of a SpecOps Officer are Zuka 'Zamamee in the novel ''Halo: The Flood'' and Bero 'Kusovai in the ''Halo Graphic Novel'', both of which take place during the events of ''Halo: Combat Evolved''. So that is where I continued my search for this ever elusive '''SpecOps Officer'''. Although at first glance all SpecOps Elites in Halo: Combat Evolved seem black, but on closer inspection most SpecOps have a "Dark Blue" coloring, while a few of the majority have "Mettalic Black" armor. This is most easily observed on the level ''Keyes''. Once you have found "Proto-Gravemind Keyes" on the bridge, you will be attacked by a swarm of Flood. Once they are all dead to your right (facing the bridge) there will be a door with SpecOps Grunts and Elites wating for you. Kill them all. among the bodies you will find many Dark Blue and a few Black Elites at this part alone. Note: Works best on Normal. And yes, I used the XBOX version, not PC.

The Hunt Continues,

[[User talk:TK 234|TK 234]] 15:28, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Spec Ops Elite Commando, and Spec Ops Officer, circa ''Halo Combat Evolved''[[User talk:TK 234|.TK 234]] 19:01, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

:Remember that slight shade variations are commonplace for all Sangheili units. It adds variety to the games.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:45, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

::I respectfully disagree, Forerunner. The only times where that has proven to be true are with the Sangheili Majors of ''Halo 2'' and ''Halo 3.''

:Look at these pics: File:Spec ops victory.jpg File:Spec Ops major.jpg File:SpecOpsMinor.jpg File:Spec OpsMajor.jpg File:Spec-Ops Elite Beam Rifle.jpg File:SpecOpsElite3.jpg All theseimages are of spec ops elites from ''Halo 2'' except the following: File:Catch.jpg Now that you've seen the pictures, you can decide what you think. Although I know that some of these pictures are vague, you can identify at least two different armor variations from them. Again I say that this page should be renamed "Special Operations Commando Sangheili", for that is in fact what they are refered to as in ''Halo: The Flood'', so it would be canonical and not just speculation.[[User talk:TK 234|TK 234]] 19:28, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
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==HeadHunter Elites?==
In the shot story HeadHunters. What are the Elites that killed everyone?[[User talk:Gogeta21|Gogeta21]] 02:59, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
:Some sort of super SpecOps. I don't think they'll be featured in the game. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 16:17, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

== Move ==

"Special Operations Sangheili" is to vague for a rank. Its name could refer to ''any'' of the ranks available for a Sangheili in SpecOps. Me and Subtank were discussing a change to the article's name.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 16:24, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

:No, because if you want to refer to one of the other ranks, you say 'spec ops officer' or 'spec ops commander', etc. The bottom rank has always just been referred to as 'spec ops elite'. Changing the name just makes it vague and seem like you're trying to insert your own opinions into what should strictly be canon. Canon(ish) sources just refer to this entry rank as Spec Ops Elites. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 16:32, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
:I think Forerunner is right. But I for one think the name should be changed to Special Operations Commando Sangheili, because in ''Halo: The Flood'' that is in fact what they are called, so it would be somewhat canonical, and not speculation. Seriously, Special Operations Standard?[[User talk:TK 234|TK 234]] 16:47, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

::I came up with "Minor" first, but Subtank said that it would be confused with the Minor Sangheili (Even though there's ''another'' Sangheili rank with "minor" in its name).-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 17:17, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
::No, because there are only two other known SpecOps ranks. - [[User: Echo 1 |Echoes are all you hear ]][[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_BLACK_KNIFE | until the day is done and night returns again...]] 01:09, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

:::I somewhat agree. there is a fair bit of confusion with this page and the main spec ops page, but it IS the proper name. [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 23:02, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

:::If it is renamed (which I hope not) then it ought to be SpecOps Minor, rather than SpecOps Standard Sangheili as the template says. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:14, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

:::I think it is fine the way it is currently. Searching for "Covenant Special Operations" gives you the page of the same title, about the military organization; while "SpecOps Elite" or any variation thereof ("Special Operations Sangheili", etc) give you the rank. [[User:SquirrellyOtter|<span style="color:green">SquirrellyOtter</span>]] [[User talk:SquirrellyOtter|<sup><span style="color:purple">Discussions Held Here</span></sup>]] 01:45, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

:::I say yes, but for the love of the Forerunners, NOT SpecOps Standard Sangheili. SpecOps Lower Sangheili. THAT'll do. {{SUBST:The Halfblood}} 13:41, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

::::"Minor" was an alternative term me and Subtank discussed.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 13:43, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

:::::"SpecOps Sangheili Minor" or "Special Operations Sangheili Minor" would indeed sound better than "Standard". --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:53, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::::%230 yes for SpecOps Sangheili Minor. {{SUBST:The Halfblood}} 14:11, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

:::::Me, i think it is fine as it is. First off, no source calls SpecOps Elites "minors", secondly it could imply that they're equal to Minor Domos (to some at least, the Covies are after all aliens and may not have same standards as us etc). Standard does sound horrible and shouldn't be used really. As for the vagueness.. couldn't simply "Were you looking for [the other ranks]?" at the top of the page solve any search issues? [[User talk:T51b|T51b]] 22:12, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

:::::I say just leave it be. it doesn't matter if you personally think it's too vague and want to create an superfluous page, there's really no evidence to support the existence of a "minor" SpecOps Elite.--[[User talk:Zervziel|For the Swarm!]] 03:08, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

:But what about the [[Sangheili Zealot]] rank? There are different kinds of the Zealot rank such as [[Shipmaster]], [[Field Master]], [[Sangheili General|General]], etc... So I think that the same should be done to that page if this one is moved. And there are Zealots in ''[[Halo 2]]'' and ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]'' that are just simply called "Zealot" not "Field Master" or anything else. --{{User:Cally99117/Sig}}

::::::So is there ever going to be a decision because this name template has been here '''''forever'''''--File:Legendary.jpg|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Orange">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>File:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 17:16, 18 November 2010 (EST)

== The Concept Art ==

Where are people getting these? Just curious [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 20:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)

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== title pic ==

Shouldn't we use the last Canon appeareance of the Special Operations Sangheili(Halo 3) and not one from Reach, the armor had undergone serious design changes later on in the 9th age of Reclamation and no longer appeared like the Reach version, actually this could be extended to all of the Reach Elite articles. thoughts?--[[User talk:The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee]] 12:16, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

:Canonically, Reach ''is'' the last canon appearance, because it's the most recent release. It is a prequel, yes, but much of its depictions are probably retcons - two entire militaries change their arsenal in a little under two months? I think not. Which leaves us with the Reach versions of the armour, until we are told or shown otherwise. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 15:22, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

The issue with that is that you are ''Assuming'' it is a retcon. Unless explicitly shown we cannot assume that it is a retcon, rather it could be a special unit or army (which I believe is supported by the Plasma repeater and other new Covenant weapons in their description) brought in for the battle of Reach, and like the Skirmisher Kig-Yar suffered extensive caulsities and did not fight during the rest of the war. --[[User talk:The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee]] 11:04, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

: I agree with Fulsamee here. Because, if you look on Bungie.net, you will see that everybody is crying witch at everything in Halo: Reach. So, because of that; we should only call something a retcon as a last resort. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:49, 12 April 2011 (EDT)!!!!

::So, because a majority didn't enjoy the game means we should revert it? I disagree with such assessment.
::Expanding the point made by Specops306, it should be reminded that Halo: Reach is the most recent Halo game with the updated graphics. The essential question one should ask is, "if Halo 3 has Halo: Reach's game engine, would Bungie design them in similar way?" No doubt in my mind they would but unfortunately, they are unable to do so. As such, it is correct to interpret the design changes as retcons. — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 14:04, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

I have to diagree with the witch-calling, however the issue is that you are assuming a point that has not been stated by Bungie, meaning that you are ''Speculating'' and offer a theory without any proof, wherever the only citable evidence on military supplies, that some of the new weapons are not seen late on due to use by a special unit presumbably destroyed during the current battle, supports why the armor is not seen later on in the war. This would mean that canonically the Halo 3 version is the version we should use here. --[[Special:Contributions/97.106.137.90|97.106.137.90]] 16:30, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

:Even if it's a different version of the armor used by another unit than the ones we see in the earlier games, that doesn't make it any less valid. Also, you're speculating yourself; there's nothing to suggest that this unit was destroyed during the events of Reach. The Covenant military is immense; even if these were separate armor variants (as opposed to different visual depictions due to changes in game design), it's entirely feasible that the unit that used the armor designs we see in ''Reach'' existed during the events of the other games. We simply didn't see any of them. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:01, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

::On that point, I think the all images of the Jiralhanae should be reverted to that of Halo 3; during the events of Halo 3, the Jiralhanae are the top soldiers (hence the elaborated and complete armour) for the Covenant military whereas during the events of Reach, they are simply a shock-troop group (i.e. little to no armour). — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 17:11, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

Regarding Subtank's last point, I did suggest that a while back, but mainly out of the reason that their Halo 3 appearance is the furthest in the timeline, versus Reach, which was earlier. It wasn't taken, though, and that exact point is probably non-valid as of the above now, but it could hold in some regard to Sub's proposal. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:46, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

:Just to clarify, the proposal only applies to Jiralhanae since they are the only species that shifted in the Covenant military whereas others remains the same as they are even during the Great Schism (i.e. Grunts didn't rose from Cannon-Fodder to that of position of a Hierarch).

Me assuming that the unit was destroyed during the battle of Reach is supported by the fact that the Skirmisher sub-species was destroyed during the battle, it seems the UNSC inflicted grave calsulties on the Covenant during this battle, I also support the Jiralhanea pages being changed in regards to Subtank. (BTW I was the IP address)--[[User talk:The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee]] 11:03, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

:It is theorised by myself that the Skirmisher sub-species was dwindling ever since they joined the Covenant, which would explain why they became extinct after the events of Reach. To say that an entire sub-species to extinct in one battle... I just can't find that plausible. Of course, this has nothing to do with the actual article itself and merely to show my opinion of the subject. — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 16:12, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

It really seems that in order to prove you are assuming I have to assume which is just ''shabla'' confusing. --[[User talk:The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual &#39;Fulsamee]] 11:11, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

== Featured Article? ==
I propose we remove this as I featured article.  It may be good.  But Featured articles are supposed to be articles that say, "Hey, this is what happens when all the great minds on this Wiki come together to make something great!" We wouldn't want to give a newcomer a bad first impression that this is the best we got. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  12:24, 14 April 2011 (EDT)!!

== Change the focus of the article ==

This article should present the Specops Elite not as a rank but as a unit. Nowhere has it been stated that a Specops Elite is a rank. Even the Visual Guide presents it as a unit and not a rank In the novels, they always refer it as a special forces unit. The only known ranks within the Specops Elite unit is Officer (per The Flood) and Commander (per HGN). This article should be treated like the Elite Rangers which is an article about a unit, not a rank. — [[User:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:18px;">HA</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:12px;">came</span>]]</sup> 21:53, 23 May 2012 (EDT)

== Coloration 2 and pictures ==

First time on the Wiki, and I have a question. Are not Spec Ops Sangheili blue in CE (original)? Also where are pictures of it in CEA (cutout preferably)? [[User talk:Wortio117|Wortio117]] 22:27, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Well I changed the text and inserted the picture from the Plasma Rifle page already but do you guys agree with it? [[User talk:Wortio117|Wortio117]] 22:53, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

== Where are the Crimson Sangheili from Halo 3 said to be SpecOps? ==

Personally, I've always thought it would fit better with canon if that was some sort of other Fleet Security rank, as they were seemingly deployed to contain the infestation on the ground as their primary directive, with assisting The Chief as a secondary thing. I mean, if they were SpecOps and were sent there for the sole purpose of helping Chief, why would they so willingly stay behind to kill the Flood instead of just go with the Chief?Plus, Special Operations doesn't really seem like the kind of unit to send to go contain an outbreak of Flood, that seems more like the job of Fleet Security, who literally have Security in the name. So does anyone have a source that says these guys are SpecOps? I'd really like to know. [[User talk:Sgt Rorschach|Sgt Rorschach]] 04:34, 8 October 2014 (EDT)

:I always assume that it was derived from the fact that because Rtas 'Vadum was SpecOps Commander and led his SpecOps units to Earth to assist the Arbiter (per EVG). However, you are correct in pointing out one thing: the armour worn is actually those of the Fleet Security and not of the SpecOps, per [[Usze 'Taham]] article (and his profile on Bungie.net). We should definitely correct this and move the information to [[Fleet Security]]. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:32, 8 October 2014 (EDT)

== The Elite seen in the Day at the Beach cinematic was clearly a Minor and not part of Special Operations ==
The Sangheili in Another Day at the Beach is wearing purple armor. Sangheili Minors wear blue armor. As such, the Sangheili in the cinematic uses active camo, something only Special Operations Sangheili use. [[User:Jebcubed|<span style="color: blue">'''Jeb'''<sup>'''3'''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Jebcubed|<span style="color: orange"><sub>'''Talk at me here'''</sub></span>]] 16:24, October 29, 2019 (EDT)