Editing Talk:Spade

==Possible Name==

The truck has information on the back of it, as seen in this [http://au.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14276699/halo-reach/images/halo-reach-20100803092828047.html?page=mediaFull IGN Screenshot], and in these [http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Reach/images/screenshots/ReachCampaign_m10_Truckin2.jpg Bungie.Net] [http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Reach/images/screenshots/ReachCampaign_m10_Truckin3.jpg Screenshots] though they are harder to see. A possible name? I would venture that ''"SPADE''" would be the name of the vehicle, while ''"INEPENDENTTWD''" would be the name of the manufacturer.

As the same words appear on the back of the flatbed in two different campaign missions on two different coloured vehicles, I think its safe to assume that this is the name of the vehicle. The name is on the back, similar to how a modern car would have a badge/manufacturer and car make displayed on the back.

So... Thoughts on adding spade to the article? Thoughts on changing the name of the article to "Spade (Civilian vehicle)"? (that one may be a little presumptive...)

NOTE: ''"INEPENDENTTWD''" may actually say ''"INEPENDENTIWD''", ''"INEPENDENTWD''" or something else. It looks like there is a character squished between the T and the W, but its hard to read in each of the images - I think it is a letter T. -- [[User talk:The Storm 59|The Storm 59]] 12:44, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Additionally, on the front of the truck seen in the image in the article there is a badge in the shape of a V, and a white R (Reach?) printed next to one of the headlights. -- [[User talk:The Storm 59|The Storm 59]] 12:57, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

:Plausible. By the looks of it, it is <code>"INDEPENDENT|WD</code> <sup>(Not INEPENDENT)</sup>. I know for a fact that <code>WD</code> stands for "wheel drive", so this implies the type of drivetrain (axle system?) of a all-terrain vehicle.

{{Article Quote|In abbreviations such as 4x4, the first figure is normally taken as the total number of wheels and the second is normally taken as the number of powered wheels (the numbers are actually axle-ends to allow for more than one wheel on each end of an axle). 4x2 means a four-wheel vehicle in which engine power is transmitted to only two axle-ends: the front two in front-wheel drive or the rear two in rear-wheel drive.}}

:Since this flatbed truck is described as to being an INDEPENDENT|WD, it could suggest that the engine power of the truck works similar to a 4WD (four wheel drive, or all wheel drive), with each axle receives power independently. This applies also to the Warthog, in case you didn't know... Anyway, back to the discussion regarding SPADE, that could be the name of the manufacturer or the truck model... - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 13:02, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

::Whoops! It was supposed to say INDEPENDENT. That extra D must have gotten away from my fingers somehow... four times. Yup. Wow. I understand that WD stands for Wheel Drive, but thought it strange that it would only say Wheel Drive because that applys to all vehicles. TWD makes sense as Twin Wheel Drive, which is why I thought that it could be INDEPENDENTTWD, but then when you consider that it looks like an AWD it doesn't really make sense. To me it just looked like it was somehow a T squesed in, sharing the top of the other T.
::My idea is that SPADE should be the vehicles name, and INDEPENDENT the manufacturers name because it works.
::In terms of a manufacturer; SPADE manufacturers works as a company name, but INDEPENDENT manufacturers works better.
::In terms of a vehicle name; SPADE sounds nice, short, and fits in more with a simple name for a vehicle for players to remember, whereas INDEPENDENT sounds a bit off. For players, yelling "Get in the SPADE!" sounds better than "Get in the INDEPENDENT!". Just easier. -- [[User talk:The Storm 59|The Storm 59]] 14:19, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

:::Hehee.. perhaps IWD <sup>IndependentWheelDrive</sup> is something new in the automotive world? I never seen an axle layout used in the Warthog in our present time. Perhaps IWD is used to describe this odd axle layout?
:::My knowledge of the automotive world is very limited, so don't rely on me. :P - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:27, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm sure you and I both know about as much as each other which puts us on interesting footing in terms of decypering what this means, but you are probably not too far off with that guess.

:::I just googled independent wheel drive and came up with this from a wikipedia article on independent suspension (funnily enough, a google image search came up with a picture of a warthog):

:::{{Article Quote|Independent suspension is a broad term for any automobile suspension system that allows each wheel on the same axle to move vertically (i.e. reacting to a bump in the road) independently of each other..}}
:::I'd say Independent Wheel Drive is about right after that. This actually makes alot more sense than independent being a manufacturer, as the badge on the front of the truck is a V. I don't know why the idea of a V badge on a car made by independent made sense before now but it did. And after looking at the images again I would say that its more likely to be INDEPENDENT|WD than any of the alternatives I proposed anyway.
:::So that leaves us with SPADE, INDEPENDENT|WD, and V.

:::Getting nearer to being something that might be worth putting in the article if you ask me, short of word from bungie or a gaming article.
:::On a fun side note, in one of the bungie images you can make out ACTIVE TRACTION on the side of the truck. -- [[User talk:The Storm 59|The Storm 59]] 14:54, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
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:::WTF? There's no confirmation its named spade. That's like saying that just because a picture of the Elephant has the word "Leviathan" on it means that's the vechicles name. I'm un-moving the article. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 20:58, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
:::Which is why we added it as trivia, rather than changing the name of the article. -- [[User talk:The Storm 59|The Storm 59]] 00:43, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
::::I wasn't telling that to you, someone moved the page to 'Spade' and changed every name in the page that was previously 'truck' to 'Spade'. I was kinda ticked off. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 00:46, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Ah gotcha. I see it in the history now. Someone got carried away. =P -- [[User talk:The Storm 59|The Storm 59]] 15:59, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

== Flatbed Warthog ==

Would it not be a possibility that this is, in fact, the Flatbed variant of the M12 Warthog LRV? If you look at the pictures, you'll noticed there are numerous design similarities to the regular Warthog, so is it not a possibility at the least? --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#FF0000><<LOMI</font>]], [[wikia:halofanon:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC0000>The Lord of Fanon</font>]]. [[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#770000>Praise My Name</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#440000>And Behold All My Holy Deeds>></font>]]<br /> 23:41, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
:There's a slight resemblance, but the overall design and style makes it appear to be from a seperate series. Plus, the name "Spade" is on it, indicating a different name or manufacturer. --[[User:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Gunnery Sergeant]] [[User_talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Pete Stacker]], [[Special:Contributions/Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|UNSC Marine Corps]] 23:53, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

==Better Picture==

Could someone do a transparent cutout render of the ''Halo: Reach'' Spade flatbed truck to use as the new introductory image for the article? I can work on it when I have the time to do it, the only problem is I don't know if I can do a good job editing the current image in Photoshop, so I think it would be great if someone else could get on it as well. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 12:19, 10 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:[[:File:Spade.png|Done]]. Feel free editing out the ones in the rear of the vehicle.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 16:22, 10 October 2011 (EDT)

::Nice job, thanks. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 17:39, 10 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330

==Vehicle hood logo==

Hey, can we get a screenshot or raster vector image of the logo on the vehicle's hood? It would be nice if we could actually see what the logo looks like and even maybe compare it to the real-world Dodge Ram logo on our own. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:05, 18 June 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

The actual graphic texture in the game is still pretty low-rez, so it won't help much. There is somewhere I've seen a shaded render of a Spadehorn bovine skull from one of the Reach 3-D Bungie artists, which is the animal cut from the game but which lends its name to the civilian vehicle Spade. There is a front-view render of the Spadehorn skull that would have been the basis for the vehicle's logo. That might be the best reference. [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 12:16, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

==Vehicle Size==

A recent trivia inclusion suggests the ''Landfall'' Spade in the garage is larger than the ''Halo Reach'' version of the vehicle. There's no citation for this and I was wondering if it was truly a fact. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the ''Landfall'' Spade but I do have access to the ''Landfall'' Civilian Transport and that is a direct reuse of the ''Reach'' Transport, no modifications. In making a multiplayer map, I doubt they'd have the time to redo the Spade mesh entirely when it's a solid piece of the environment. I can't confirm in any way that the Spades are different sizes, but from what I can tell, I'd be highly suspicious of this 'fact'. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 10:28, 9 March 2014 (EDT)

:Good point. What we ''can'' do is place Spartans next to each version of the Spade, take screenshots, and roughly compare them. Unfortunately, my expired Gold membership prevents me from taking a screenshot and uploading it to Halo Waypoint. Do we have any volunteers? —<span style="font-family: Eurostile;">'''[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:#000;">SPARTAN</span>]][[User talk:Spartan331|<span style="color:#888;">331</span>]]'''</span> 11:25, 9 March 2014 (EDT)

:I would do them, as I have the ''Halo 4'' Game of the Year Edition, but unfortunately, I'm having difficulties getting Theater to work. That and I'm still trying to learn the ropes of Theater and Forge and things like that. I'll try to get to it sometime if possible, but in the meantime, more volunteers would be welcome to help with this. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 22:38, 9 March 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330