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==Guidelines on adding "Seven" References to the Article== | ==Guidelines on adding "Seven" References to the Article== | ||
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It is stated on the article that the timer stops at 12:31. That timer stops just at a random time, I had it in 14 minutes, in 13 minutes,... It all depends on how fast you walk the first part of the maw. If you walking it slowly, the timer will count more minutes off. This is NOT a Bungie reference, just a random clock stop. | It is stated on the article that the timer stops at 12:31. That timer stops just at a random time, I had it in 14 minutes, in 13 minutes,... It all depends on how fast you walk the first part of the maw. If you walking it slowly, the timer will count more minutes off. This is NOT a Bungie reference, just a random clock stop. | ||
<span style= "font-size: 120%;">[[User:Black Katana|<span style="color: Black">'''Black'''</span> <font color="DimGray">'''Katana'''</font>]]</span> [[ | <span style= "font-size: 120%;">[[User:Black Katana|<span style="color: Black">'''Black'''</span> <font color="DimGray">'''Katana'''</font>]]</span> [[Image:Chief & Earth.jpg|27px]] <sup>[[User talk:Black Katana|<font color="Black">''My Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:EditCount/Black Katana|<font color="DimGray">''My Editcount''</font>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Black Katana|<font color="Black">''My Work''</font>]]</sup> | ||
== the 7 people in the 21 gun salute == | == the 7 people in the 21 gun salute == | ||
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That doesn't have anything to do with Bungie's addiction to 7. That's how it is at all military,police,or firefighters funeral. It is a 21 gun salute because it is 7 people shooting 3 shots each, no coincidence. You just saw 7 and thought Bungie put it in there just for you to find. I mean if the military gave Master Chief a whole memorial for his service and death and what he did, yea I'm sure they would give him the 21 gun salute. Oh yea i know all this cause I am on the Honor Guard at a military school. So the "Seven Marines fire their Battle Rifles in the air in the ceremony at the end of Halo 3." part should be erased. | That doesn't have anything to do with Bungie's addiction to 7. That's how it is at all military,police,or firefighters funeral. It is a 21 gun salute because it is 7 people shooting 3 shots each, no coincidence. You just saw 7 and thought Bungie put it in there just for you to find. I mean if the military gave Master Chief a whole memorial for his service and death and what he did, yea I'm sure they would give him the 21 gun salute. Oh yea i know all this cause I am on the Honor Guard at a military school. So the "Seven Marines fire their Battle Rifles in the air in the ceremony at the end of Halo 3." part should be erased. | ||
Although Bungie didn't make the 21 gun salute, there's no way of telling whether they put it in their '''because''' of their favourite number, or whether it's coincidence. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 23:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC) | Although Bungie didn't make the 21 gun salute, there's no way of telling whether they put it in their '''because''' of their favourite number, or whether it's coincidence. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 23:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I'm afraid you're making a common mistake. What was fired at the end of Halo 3 was NOT a 21-gun salute, but rather a 3-volley salute. The difference is that a 3-volley salute consists of rifles firing blanks into the air simultaneously 3 times, as where the 21-gun salute uses artillery pieces, fired one at a time for a total of 21 shots. Very important is that a 3-volley salute doesn't necessarily need to have seven shooters, but rather an odd-number of shooters numbering 3 at the least and 7 at the most. Seven is the most common form, but since it is not the only form, the seven-man 3-volley at the end of Halo 3 can still be considered a 7 reference.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|18px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">Rusty</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">-</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">112</font>]] 03:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | :I'm afraid you're making a common mistake. What was fired at the end of Halo 3 was NOT a 21-gun salute, but rather a 3-volley salute. The difference is that a 3-volley salute consists of rifles firing blanks into the air simultaneously 3 times, as where the 21-gun salute uses artillery pieces, fired one at a time for a total of 21 shots. Very important is that a 3-volley salute doesn't necessarily need to have seven shooters, but rather an odd-number of shooters numbering 3 at the least and 7 at the most. Seven is the most common form, but since it is not the only form, the seven-man 3-volley at the end of Halo 3 can still be considered a 7 reference.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|18px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">Rusty</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">-</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">112</font>]] 03:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Halo wars demo == | == Halo wars demo == | ||
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--[[Special:Contributions/91.111.32.133|91.111.32.133]] 18:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | --[[Special:Contributions/91.111.32.133|91.111.32.133]] 18:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
Without further knowledge that is just a coincidence. | Without further knowledge that is just a coincidence. [[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia/Member List#Honor Guard Elites|<span style="color:#000080">'''Honor Guard'''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 19:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
It's not good to mix operations. You can get any number you want from a batch of numbers if you work hard enough and have perfect freedom. I do think there are numbers that are a reference when added together, but mixing subtraction in there seems over the top to me and liable to pick up stuff that are not real references. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 19:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | It's not good to mix operations. You can get any number you want from a batch of numbers if you work hard enough and have perfect freedom. I do think there are numbers that are a reference when added together, but mixing subtraction in there seems over the top to me and liable to pick up stuff that are not real references. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 19:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Should we mention any seven references in past Ensable games? [[User talk:Drsdino|Drsdino]] 04:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC) | Should we mention any seven references in past Ensable games? [[User talk:Drsdino|Drsdino]] 04:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
First, it's Ensemble. Also, since it is a part of the Halo world and the creators supposedly had a copy of the | First, it's Ensemble. Also, since it is a part of the Halo world and the creators supposedly had a copy of the Halo Story Bible (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_Story_Bible) it can be accepted as official canon. --[[User talk:XG33Kx|XG33Kx]] 00:14, October 22, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Year == | == Year == | ||
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Is it possible that many of these are not real references placed by [[Bungie]], but rather coincidental? I mean, some of them, like the IWHBYD one (16 syllables; 6+1=7) are kind of complicated. [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: BankGothic Md BT; font-size: 12pt;">'''BPL'''</span>]] 15:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | Is it possible that many of these are not real references placed by [[Bungie]], but rather coincidental? I mean, some of them, like the IWHBYD one (16 syllables; 6+1=7) are kind of complicated. [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: BankGothic Md BT; font-size: 12pt;">'''BPL'''</span>]] 15:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
My friend, I couldn't agree with you more. It seems as though every blasted page has some kind of "7 reference" that is broken down into such a convoluted mathamatical argument that it just has to be a coincidence. But the problem is that most people don't think so. Most editors see a number and think of every possible mathamatical operation they can do to make that number equal "7". It's insane. I'd venture to say that 75% of the number-inclusive articles on Halopedia include something like this: | My friend, I couldn't agree with you more. It seems as though every blasted page has some kind of "7 reference" that is broken down into such a convoluted mathamatical argument that it just has to be a coincidence. But the problem is that most people don't think so. Most editors see a number and think of every possible mathamatical operation they can do to make that number equal "7". It's insane. I'd venture to say that 75% of the number-inclusive articles on Halopedia include something like this: | ||
*The service number of Marine John Holliday, 49-JH-3056, is possibly another of Bungie's infamous [[7]] references: (3+0+5+6 / 10-8(H and J) = 2 2nd root of 49 =7). | *The service number of Marine John Holliday, 49-JH-3056, is possibly another of Bungie's infamous [[7]] references: (3+0+5+6 / 10-8(H and J) = 2 2nd root of 49 =7). | ||
It's just embarrasing how many alleged 7 refernces are explained this way. I try to remove any that just seem completely incredulous ("Phantom" having 7 letters '''''must''''' be a 7 reference!) but inevitably, someone puts it back up. [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 01:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | It's just embarrasing how many alleged 7 refernces are explained this way. I try to remove any that just seem completely incredulous ("Phantom" having 7 letters '''''must''''' be a 7 reference!) but inevitably, someone puts it back up. [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 01:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
I was thinking the exact same thing. Some things, I think, should be put up because of the references. The Asian character engraved on the Halo 1 pistol being the equivalent of 7, Commander Keyes's 7-shaped scar on her cheek, Guilty Spark and the other monitors' numbers being powers of 7 and whatnot, there are seven Halo rings, and some other things. Though, most of the things on this page are absolute crud, to put it lightly. "Warthog", "SPARTAN", "Cortana", "Arbiter", "Evolved" and "Phantom" all have seven letters in them! Halo 3: ODST has seven syllables in the title (Hay-loh Three Oh-Dee-Ess-Tee)! Fourteen ensigns were killed in a slipspace accident, and 14 divided by 2 is 7! It takes seven needles from a Needler to cause an explosion! On page seven of this book, a SPARTAN uses something with a designation of "7"! There are currently seven Halo games! | I was thinking the exact same thing. Some things, I think, should be put up because of the references. The Asian character engraved on the Halo 1 pistol being the equivalent of 7, Commander Keyes's 7-shaped scar on her cheek, Guilty Spark and the other monitors' numbers being powers of 7 and whatnot, there are seven Halo rings, and some other things. Though, most of the things on this page are absolute crud, to put it lightly. "Warthog", "SPARTAN", "Cortana", "Arbiter", "Evolved" and "Phantom" all have seven letters in them! Halo 3: ODST has seven syllables in the title (Hay-loh Three Oh-Dee-Ess-Tee)! Fourteen ensigns were killed in a slipspace accident, and 14 divided by 2 is 7! It takes seven needles from a Needler to cause an explosion! On page seven of this book, a SPARTAN uses something with a designation of "7"! There are currently seven Halo games! | ||
Seriously, most of those are coincidences. Do you honestly think that a company would design their game and universe that heavily around making references to a single number? The Human brain sees what it wants to see. I'm ashamed that Halopedia has an article this pointless and speculative, especially when so many things on this page are obviously only coincidences. Chiafriend12 00:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC) | Seriously, most of those are coincidences. Do you honestly think that a company would design their game and universe that heavily around making references to a single number? The Human brain sees what it wants to see. I'm ashamed that Halopedia has an article this pointless and speculative, especially when so many things on this page are obviously only coincidences. {{Signatures/Chiafriend12}} 00:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
You don't know how good it is to ''finally'' hear someone else say that... Oh wait... my last sentence had 14 words in it; divide that by 2 and you get 7! Add it to the reference list! [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 03:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC) | You don't know how good it is to ''finally'' hear someone else say that... Oh wait... my last sentence had 14 words in it; divide that by 2 and you get 7! Add it to the reference list! [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 03:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
I know...for instance: The IWHBYD means I would have been your daddy, so what if it can equal seven? Some people spend half an hour on every number just to see if any equation of it can hit seven! Imagine the number 73686 shows up in a book, I bet someone would do this: 7-3+6-8+6=7. Thats a simple one, yes, but my point is people would look for every way possible to find seven. I seemed plauged by the number 117 now though, it pops up everywhere...[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 01:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC) | I know...for instance: The IWHBYD means I would have been your daddy, so what if it can equal seven? Some people spend half an hour on every number just to see if any equation of it can hit seven! Imagine the number 73686 shows up in a book, I bet someone would do this: 7-3+6-8+6=7. Thats a simple one, yes, but my point is people would look for every way possible to find seven. I seemed plauged by the number 117 now though, it pops up everywhere...[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 01:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
Perhaps adding a categorizing system where the obvious (intentional) seven references are placed in one category, on the fly (need a number? use 7!) references are placed (FTA: "Twelve shots rang out, and seven Grunts fell.") and the convoluted (probably coincidental) references are placed. (FTA:"The Pelican that extracts the Master Chief, Johnson, and the Arbiter after Johnson is rescued is named Kilo-two three. Kilo = K (phonetic alphabet) and is the eleventh letter. 1+1+2+3 = 7.") --[[User talk:KickButtUnggoy|KickButtUnggoy]] 00:23, October 22, 2009 (UTC) | Perhaps adding a categorizing system where the obvious (intentional) seven references are placed in one category, on the fly (need a number? use 7!) references are placed (FTA: "Twelve shots rang out, and seven Grunts fell.") and the convoluted (probably coincidental) references are placed. (FTA:"The Pelican that extracts the Master Chief, Johnson, and the Arbiter after Johnson is rescued is named Kilo-two three. Kilo = K (phonetic alphabet) and is the eleventh letter. 1+1+2+3 = 7.") --[[User talk:KickButtUnggoy|KickButtUnggoy]] 00:23, October 22, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Anyone else encountering some weird text reversing thing in the edit page? I made a [http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1379/wthalo.png screenshot]. It's like the software thinks it's a right-to-left language instead of English. I type and it comes out backwards, but saves the right way. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 23:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC) | Anyone else encountering some weird text reversing thing in the edit page? I made a [http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1379/wthalo.png screenshot]. It's like the software thinks it's a right-to-left language instead of English. I type and it comes out backwards, but saves the right way. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 23:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I'm pretty sure it's a bug in Firefox and not Wikia, if that's what you're thinking. It's happened to me a few times on other websites. Rebooting your computer usually will fix it. Chiafriend12 02:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC) | :I'm pretty sure it's a bug in Firefox and not Wikia, if that's what you're thinking. It's happened to me a few times on other websites. Rebooting your computer usually will fix it. {{Signatures/Chiafriend12}} 02:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Oh, Firefox. Okay, thank you. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 09:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC) | ::Oh, Firefox. Okay, thank you. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 09:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::It's not Firefox. Some user inserted the image code in backwards, resulting to the whole article input to go backwards. Don't worry... I've fixed this :) -<b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>ub<font color="#FF4F00">7</font>ank</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 12:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC) | :::It's not Firefox. Some user inserted the image code in backwards, resulting to the whole article input to go backwards. Don't worry... I've fixed this :) -<b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>ub<font color="#FF4F00">7</font>ank</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 12:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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or 60 seconds in a a minute plus 17 seconds equals 77 seconds....it has alot of 7 in it on top of being 117 reference-[[User talk:Jio Freed|Jio Freed]] 05:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC) | or 60 seconds in a a minute plus 17 seconds equals 77 seconds....it has alot of 7 in it on top of being 117 reference-[[User talk:Jio Freed|Jio Freed]] 05:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== 9 == | == 9 == | ||
I'm not bringing this up because of the upcoming movie of the same name but I just noticed that there are also a lot of number 9 in the halo universe almost as much as 7 and usually along side the number 7. Johns code name equals 9 when each number is added together. the Pillar of Autum's number was 0709, Antipersonnel Mine model number is TR/9, Oscar 9 is the pelican's name and number in Land Fall,a common Drop Pod is 9 feet Long, November 9th is the date of halo 2, Spartan II were kidnapped and flashed cloned on September(9th month) 9th, March 9th the spartan IIs were augmented. 2545(2+5=7 4+5=9) was the year Class II of the Spartan II project was augmented. Brutes are approximately 9 feet tall and Tartarus is only said to be "over 9'". Jacob Keyes has 9 ribbons on his uniform. The In Amber Clad and Forward Unto dawn can carry 9 warthogs. 9 Marine Personnel wounded during the battle of Sigma Octanus VI. Messlia the AI along with the Ilovebee's server were kept functional for 500 years until October 9th, 2552. the Covenant believe this is the 9th Age of Reclamation, and it proved to be the final one. Installation 5's reported time since it requested maintenance was 32 minutes, 9 seconds excatly. [[7-89]]. Cortana's reg number is CTN 0452-9 and Endless Summer is MIL AI 4279. In halo 3 it takes 9 shots to the head to take down an Elite or Brute with a pistol. the Albatross Heavy Dropship is excatly 120 feet and 9 inches long. Operation: TORPEDO launched 291 spartan-III and 9 were lost. A staff Sgt commands 9 marines at minimum. Battlegroup Stalingrad was made out of 9 ships. The Spartan II were made out of kids as old as 9. Hayabusa's shoulder's parts is unlocked when you get 9 skulls. When you beat the level Halo in Halo 3 you get an achievement "return" with the roman numeral 9 as it's icon. the Fleet of Retribution is made up of 9 CCS-class Battlecruisers. On Terminal 6 on legendary the log says at [11:H 12:M 09:S] "05-032 was right about one thing: there is only one way to defeat the enemy, and that is to visit utter annihilation on it. If the galaxy must be [rendered temporarily lifeless], so be it." the list goes on and on of important and minor details that all in clude 9 much like 7. could be me looking to much into it but all I did was put 9 into the search bar on the wiki and got all this-[[User talk:Jio Freed|Jio Freed]] 04:36, September 6, 2009 (UTC) | I'm not bringing this up because of the upcoming movie of the same name but I just noticed that there are also a lot of number 9 in the halo universe almost as much as 7 and usually along side the number 7. Johns code name equals 9 when each number is added together. the Pillar of Autum's number was 0709, Antipersonnel Mine model number is TR/9, Oscar 9 is the pelican's name and number in Land Fall,a common Drop Pod is 9 feet Long, November 9th is the date of halo 2, Spartan II were kidnapped and flashed cloned on September(9th month) 9th, March 9th the spartan IIs were augmented. 2545(2+5=7 4+5=9) was the year Class II of the Spartan II project was augmented. Brutes are approximately 9 feet tall and Tartarus is only said to be "over 9'". Jacob Keyes has 9 ribbons on his uniform. The In Amber Clad and Forward Unto dawn can carry 9 warthogs. 9 Marine Personnel wounded during the battle of Sigma Octanus VI. Messlia the AI along with the Ilovebee's server were kept functional for 500 years until October 9th, 2552. the Covenant believe this is the 9th Age of Reclamation, and it proved to be the final one. Installation 5's reported time since it requested maintenance was 32 minutes, 9 seconds excatly. [[7-89]]. Cortana's reg number is CTN 0452-9 and Endless Summer is MIL AI 4279. In halo 3 it takes 9 shots to the head to take down an Elite or Brute with a pistol. the Albatross Heavy Dropship is excatly 120 feet and 9 inches long. Operation: TORPEDO launched 291 spartan-III and 9 were lost. A staff Sgt commands 9 marines at minimum. Battlegroup Stalingrad was made out of 9 ships. The Spartan II were made out of kids as old as 9. Hayabusa's shoulder's parts is unlocked when you get 9 skulls. When you beat the level Halo in Halo 3 you get an achievement "return" with the roman numeral 9 as it's icon. the Fleet of Retribution is made up of 9 CCS-class Battlecruisers. On Terminal 6 on legendary the log says at [11:H 12:M 09:S] "05-032 was right about one thing: there is only one way to defeat the enemy, and that is to visit utter annihilation on it. If the galaxy must be [rendered temporarily lifeless], so be it." the list goes on and on of important and minor details that all in clude 9 much like 7. could be me looking to much into it but all I did was put 9 into the search bar on the wiki and got all this-[[User talk:Jio Freed|Jio Freed]] 04:36, September 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
... Wow. That took a while, didn't it? Anyway, good job. XD {{Unsigned|216.47.220.201}} | ... Wow. That took a while, didn't it? Anyway, good job. XD {{Unsigned|216.47.220.201}} | ||
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Rather not....anyway one more John-117's elementary school that he was studied at was P.S. 119-[[User talk:Jio Freed|Jio Freed]] 23:31, September 7, 2009 (UTC) | Rather not....anyway one more John-117's elementary school that he was studied at was P.S. 119-[[User talk:Jio Freed|Jio Freed]] 23:31, September 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||