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==Underarms==
Why is it that on some Zealot armour, the underarms and back of the legs have orange lights and some have blue? User:Joshua 029
Why is it that on some Zealot armour, the underarms and back of the legs have orange lights and some have blue? User:Joshua 029


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[[User:James-001|James-001]] 23:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[[User:James-001|James-001]] 23:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


It was used many places, including in the game itself. An elite in the level [[Uprising]] calls the golden armored elite "Zealot". I've also heard Cortana call the gold elites Zealots. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|'''Councilor 'Nodotee''']] [[User talk:Donut THX 1138 |<sup>[BattleNet]</sup>]] 03:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
It was used many places, including in the game itself. An elite in the level [[Uprising]] calls the golden armored elite "Zealot". I've also heard Cortana call the gold elites Zealots. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|'''Councilor 'Nodotee''']] [[File:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [[User talk:Donut THX 1138 |<sup>[BattleNet]</sup>]] 03:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


Does anyone think Zealots could be a holy person on the battle field. Like warrior monks. They use the ceremonial sword and give blessings. Maybe they are sub commanders under full field commanders. Just an idea. {{unsigned|90.201.70.150}}
Does anyone think Zealots could be a holy person on the battle field. Like warrior monks. They use the ceremonial sword and give blessings. Maybe they are sub commanders under full field commanders. Just an idea. {{unsigned|90.201.70.150}}
:Zealots aren't really "holy"; plus, field commanders? Sounds more like [[Field Master|Field ''Master'']], who are Zealots. <span title="I am not an employee of Wikia.">Çya</span>, [[halowikia:User:Mouse among men|<font color="black">M</font>]][[halowikia:User talk:Mouse among men|<font color="black">ø</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mouse among men|<font color="black">u</font>]][[halowikia:Halopedia:Parasite of Halopedia|<font color="black">s</font>]][[halowikia:User:Mouse among men/Sandbox|<font color="black">e</font>]] 19:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Zealots aren't really "holy"; plus, field commanders? Sounds more like [[Field Master|Field ''Master'']], who are Zealots. <span title="I am not an employee of Wikia.">Çya</span>, [[w:c:halo:User:Mouse among men|<font color="black">M</font>]][[w:c:halo:User talk:Mouse among men|<font color="black">ø</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mouse among men|<font color="black">u</font>]][[w:c:halo:Halopedia:Parasite of Halopedia|<font color="black">s</font>]][[w:c:halo:User:Mouse among men/Sandbox|<font color="black">e</font>]] 19:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)




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== No Zealots in Halo 3? ==
== No Zealots in Halo 3? ==


Mystery Zealot
[[File:h3_zealot.jpg|thumb|Mystery Zealot]]
I saw this picture on the main page.  
I saw this picture on the main page.  
No Zealots in Halo 3? There is also a picture of a Zealot in halo3.com. My theory is that these are pics from multiplayer.
No Zealots in Halo 3? There is also a picture of a Zealot in halo3.com. My theory is that these are pics from multiplayer.


:Your theory would be correct. No Zealots are seen in Halo Campaign (at least I've not seen any, and I've played through it many times). That is a multiplayer pic on the level Last Resort with custom Elite armor. -- <b>[[User:Dukester101|<font color="#000099">Dukester</font><font color="#990011">101</font>]] [[User talk:Dukester101|<sub><font color="#000000">''TALK''</font></sub>]]</b> 11:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Your theory would be correct. No Zealots are seen in Halo Campaign (at least I've not seen any, and I've played through it many times). That is a multiplayer pic on the level Last Resort with custom Elite armor. -- <b>[[User:Dukester101|<font color="#000099">Dukester</font><font color="#990011">101</font>]] [[File:Us_flag.jpg|15px]] [[User talk:Dukester101|<sub><font color="#000000">''TALK''</font></sub>]]</b> 11:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


If I'm not mistaken, that's the windmill in to the side through the window. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] </sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"See my footprints"</font>]]</sup> 16:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken, that's the windmill in to the side through the window. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] </sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"See my footprints"</font>]]</sup> 16:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


:Actually,  it's taken inside the base. On the left side of the pic is the "windows" that you can knock down. On the right side of the pic is the interior of the base with a glimpse of the turbine that powers the Wind Wheel. -- <b>[[User:Dukester101|<font color="#000099">Dukester</font><font color="#990011">101</font>]] [[User talk:Dukester101|<sub><font color="#000000">''TALK''</font></sub>]]</b> 16:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Actually,  it's taken inside the base. On the left side of the pic is the "windows" that you can knock down. On the right side of the pic is the interior of the base with a glimpse of the turbine that powers the Wind Wheel. -- <b>[[User:Dukester101|<font color="#000099">Dukester</font><font color="#990011">101</font>]] [[File:Us_flag.jpg|15px]] [[User talk:Dukester101|<sub><font color="#000000">''TALK''</font></sub>]]</b> 16:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


Maybe the Zealot lovers (ie me) could petition Bungie to make a downloadable patch to make one of the elites dropped in The Covenant a Zealot. PS it makes sense there are no Zealots as Rtas Vadum leads the forces that render assistance to Earth.
Maybe the Zealot lovers (ie me) could petition Bungie to make a downloadable patch to make one of the elites dropped in The Covenant a Zealot. PS it makes sense there are no Zealots as Rtas Vadum leads the forces that render assistance to Earth.


Zealot perm created by TheLostJedi. All I know is that there is a picture of an orange elite in this article and its being labled as a gold armored Zealot. That picture should be removed from the page. [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 02:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[[File:TLJ Zealot.PNG|thumb|left|Zealot perm created by TheLostJedi.]]All I know is that there is a picture of an orange elite in this article and its being labled as a gold armored Zealot. That picture should be removed from the page. [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 02:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


That's actually a picture I uploaded for use on the Sangheili page, so I could show Elites using human weapons. It is orange, not gold, and it is nothing like a Zealot. It should be removed. --[[User:Jaeryd|Jaeryd]] 00:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
That's actually a picture I uploaded for use on the Sangheili page, so I could show Elites using human weapons. It is orange, not gold, and it is nothing like a Zealot. It should be removed. --[[User:Jaeryd|Jaeryd]] 00:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


I always thought a Zealot armour permutation from Halo 3 would be better using the orange colours. They look closer to gold than the yellow used above to me. But maybe that's just me. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 00:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I always thought a Zealot armour permutation from Halo 3 would be better using the orange colours. They look closer to gold than the yellow used above to me. But maybe that's just me. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 00:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
==Halo 3 Assumed Sangheili Zealots Pix Removed?==
How a Sangheili Zealot would looked like in ''Halo 3''.
Another render of how a Sangheili Zealot would looked like in ''Halo 3''.
I noticed that just recently these two images which I uploaded to Halopedia and posted in the Gallery section of the article, that these two renders were removed. What happened? A few months, weeks or days ago these were just fine, nobody seemed to mind that they were in the article. I know that may not exactly be ''canon'', since they were never seen in-game in ''Halo 3'', but they are most definitely from ''Halo'', or just from ''Halo'' multiplayer content. Could someone please explain to me why these were removed? And furthermore, explain why or why not they should or should not be removed from the article? --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 14:52, 21 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
As you said, they're not canon.  If you want to add multiplayer content, add them to the Sangheili or Multiplayer pages. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  21:27, 22 October 2011 (EDT)!
Maybe I will do just that. I want them to be added somewhere. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 12:46, 25 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330


==Zealot Pics==
==Zealot Pics==
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What about the Plasma Rifle Zealots from Halo: CE? Also, maybe there might be Needle Rifle Zealots? Any comments on this? [[User talk:Sliding Ghost|Sliding Ghost]] 22:22, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
What about the Plasma Rifle Zealots from Halo: CE? Also, maybe there might be Needle Rifle Zealots? Any comments on this? [[User talk:Sliding Ghost|Sliding Ghost]] 22:22, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
:Yes to all questions. Moving on. I have noted that they are also not only Zealots in crimson armor, but also in gold, as opposed to white or just plain yellow. Or maybe it is gold-like yellow. Is this another BOB? I have also compared screenshots in my computer's library, and it is not a Sangheili Field Marshal; the armor configuration doesn't match. Anyone ever seen this before? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 13:53, 25 May 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330


== De Facto Commander as an actual Title ==
== De Facto Commander as an actual Title ==
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Ah it is found already. But I killed it on normal difficulty. Also: Where do they fit in the rank structure? An honor but still lower ranked like some modern ranks? Or just a mistake?[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|BriNg iN DeR FLAmeS?!]] 18:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
Ah it is found already. But I killed it on normal difficulty. Also: Where do they fit in the rank structure? An honor but still lower ranked like some modern ranks? Or just a mistake?[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|BriNg iN DeR FLAmeS?!]] 18:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
It's a BOB. BOBs can be either golden Rangers using a variety of weapons, or other ranks that always have white armor and always dual-wield Plasma Rifles. BOBs disappear after a set time limit expires, the timer starts when you either enter a certain area/cross an invisible barrier, or when the Elite sees you. There is a page about these BOBs, just search it on this wiki. --[[User:Delta1138|Delta1138]] [[User_talk:Delta1138|SnooPING AS usual I see]] 16:20, 20 April 2011 (EDT)


== Reach appearences ==
== Reach appearences ==


Appear several times? True Zealots appear twice. The Generals appear several times, but that's for their article. Not fought as bosses? They are nothing but bosses, first and last level bosses though. Again, the Generals are shown like regular infantry, again, its for their own article. While the Generals are a grade of Zealot, they are seperate from mainstream Zealot. The section needs rewiting, as with my two examples, it is gameplay wise about the General rather than normal Zealots.
Appear several times? True Zealots appear twice. The Generals appear several times, but that's for their article. Not fought as bosses? They are nothing but bosses, first and last level bosses though. Again, the Generals are shown like regular infantry, again, its for their own article. While the Generals are a grade of Zealot, they are seperate from mainstream Zealot. The section needs rewiting, as with my two examples, it is currently about the general rather than normal Zealots.




On an unrelated note, any idea as to why they aren't in firefight? [[User talk:Grupa &#39;Zamamee|Grupa &#39;Zamamee]] 18:40, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, any idea as to why they aren't in firefight? [[User talk:Grupa &#39;Zamamee|Grupa &#39;Zamamee]] 18:40, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
== Reach ==
I've reached the rank of Captain in Reach, however, the game won't let me use Zealot armor. Instead, it thinks I'm switching to Minor, and still shows the Zealot in dark.--[[User:Shade Link]]
== Zealots of different origins? ==
The rank of a Zealot has always been generalised to gold-armoured Elites since the reveal in Halo 2 (''Uprising''). Zealots, as we know from previous Halo titles, are the frontline commanders of the Covenant forces and would lead large forces composed of other Covenant species. However, this is changed in ''Reach'' where we now see three iterations of Zealots; the maroon-armoured normal (let's call it Standard since there are no official title yet) and Field Marshall and the gold-armoured General. In ''Reach'', we often see that the maroon-armoured Zealots always operate in smaller groups, whereas the gold-armoured remains the same like its previous incarnations. Why maroon, one might ask? Why would Bungie detach the word from its original description?
The way I interpret this detachment is that the maroon-armoured Zealots are those from the SPECWAR/SPECOPS division of the Covenant Army whereas the gold-armoured are ones in charge of leading the general invasion (be it Naval, Army, etc). It makes sense if one refers to Halsey's remarks when Jorge provided his report of the Viery encounter; the maroon-armoured is tasked with the retrieval of artefacts and known for special warfare (they assaulted Noble in Viery Relay, assassinated Kat and killed Emile, and disabled military communications to allow the invasion to proceed) while the gold-armoured would simply lead the general invasion force.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 05:07, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Someone brought it up before, but it seems likely that the Generals aren't Zealots at all. In the game, the player encounters Generals all the time, and no one makes a big deal out of it. However, in Tip of the Spear (at a point where the player has killed at least one General) Dot notes that there's a Zealot in the area and it is made clear that it's a high-value target. Yet when a General is encountered, no one even mentions it. Overall, the Zealots seem to be a class of warriors that either command a significant amount of forces or serve in special forces units, while the Generals are more ordinary commanders and thus not as significant.
:Judging by this, it could be inferred that most of the golden Elites encountered in the previous games are actually Generals instead of Zealots (except for the ones that have been specifically confirmed to be Zealots, such as the one at H2's Uprising or Thel in H2's opening). Like you said, the special forces Zealots would wear maroon armor while Zealot commanders like Thel wear gold armor. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:31, 25 November 2010 (EST)
{{Article quote|... it could be inferred that most of the golden Elites encountered in the previous games are actually Generals instead of Zealots}}
::Now, this is the one that confuses me. [[Talk:Sangheili General|What Corpora]] just said makes the most sense for now, that all of the gold-armoured Elites we've encountered in the past are Zealots, and that trying to impose new canon on old canon seems futile (to make sense of canon, in a way). Care to clarify? :) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:26, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:::Yes, it's indeed true that my statement is merely an assumption based on what we see in ''Reach'' and cannot be treated as valid unless we get some form of official clarification. My reasoning is that if we are to assume new canon overrides old, then the way Zealots are treated in ''Reach'' seems to be inconsistent with their frequent appearances in the earlier games. When a Zealot is encountered, it's always significant to the plot or at least noteworthy in some way, something that never happens in the other games. In addition, the Generals in ''Reach'' seem to occupy a role identical to the gold-armored Elites (presumably Zealots) in the previous games.
:::Of course, like I said, the claim that most gold-armored Elites in the previous games are Generals cannot be treated as a fact by any means; it's merely a possible explanation for the apparent absence of Generals in games other than ''Reach''. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:38, 25 November 2010 (EST)
::::Hmm... interesting. Thanks for the clarification. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:40, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:::::There is also one thing in Reach that we may want to address: the way Elite armor is unlocked is by rank, and General comes after Zealot, indicating that it is higher than Zealot. Is it possible that we can just ask someone at the Bungie or 343i forums for clarification, or write a letter? -- [[User talk:SFH|SFH]] 18:06, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:::::The way I've looked at this conundrum without receiving clarification from Bungie is simple: The General rank is the standard infantry commander of ground forces while the default Zealot rank is the equivalent of very special infantry. A Zealot will take command when it appears but is not part of the regular command structure of the Covenant (from Reach onward that is). You'll also notice that a General is never seen in the same location as a Zealot nor commanding one, only the Field Marshall is seen in that role (and is referred to as the Zealot Commander by Bungie). In much the same way, the Field Marshall is both the commander of Zealot infantry and supersedes the General rank in commanding ground forces when present. The reason the Zealot is so special is because of their status in the Covenant and their usage as the equivalent of a SPARTAN when fielded (after all, Spartans are lower than even a UNSC Captain in rank). None of this is canon and merely my take on the issue, feel free to ignore it. As <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]</font> mentioned from me, just remember that it is impossible to retroactively apply new canon to old canon. [[User talk:Corpora|Corpora]] 02:27, 15 December 2010 (EST)
== Zealots and their apperance in Halo: Reach ==
I Believe that the Marooned colored zealots that appear in Halo: Reach are in fact A special  'spec-ops' zealot. The reasons behind this belief is that During the first cut scene where they are encountered in the reach campaign they are seen decloaking as the drop down from above Jorge. Secondly, the fact that they are only seen preform missions of Intelligence gathering with the recovering of the Visigrad dig site information, and the retrieval of the 'package'(Cortana) from Noble six at the end of the mission "pillar of Autumn". Also the presence of the gold General class in the game that fits with the previously defined role of zealot as seen in past games.--[[User talk:Otterboy|Otterboy]] 09:08, 25 June 2011 (EDT)
==Known Zealots==
Is it okay if I add Fleetmaster [[Luro 'Taralumee]] of the ''[[Third Fleet of Glorious Consequence]]'', commanding the ''CAS''-class Assault Carrier ''[[Resplendent Fervor]]'' from ''Halo Legends: The Package''? This guy is most definitely a Zealot, as he is both a Fleetmaster, Shipmaster, and a Supreme Commander, and is wearing gold armor typical of most Zealots. If it is okay, I will add it as soon as I can, that is unless someone beats me to it. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 10:19, 4 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
==''Halo: Combat Evolved'' Zealot Image==
Can we get a transparent cutout render of the original Sangheili Zealot from ''Halo: Combat Evolved''? I have been trying to look for a suitable image to work on in Photoshop, but I really can't found one that I think is good enough. I'll keep looking and trying, but it would be great if someone could get to work on this too. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 16:07, 4 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
== Field Master, Ship Master, and Fleet Master ==
I believe the three "ranks" listed above are not truly ranks, but rather titles that an elite can obtain. Let me hand out some examples of what I mean before I digress. Well, at least Ship Master is already listed as a title, yet it holds a position on the "Sangheili Ranks" box.
[[Ardo 'Moretumee]], a Sangheili General, is also the Ship Master of the Corvette [[Ardent Prayer]]. The [[Unidentified Sangheili Shipmaster (Righteous Vigilance)]] also supports this, as he clearly is no Zealot, yet his is the Fleet Master of the Fleet of Righteous Vigilance. Now I understand that Halopedia has listed General as apart of the Zealot Division, mainly to justify the position of Ardo as a Ship Master, I would like to propose a more logical option.
Our beloved [[Rtas 'Vadum]] was also known to be a Fleet Master, yet his rank is that of Special Operations Commander. Now, leading the Special Operations Division of a Fleet would usually entitle that individual to their own ship, yet he is called by his title of Ship Master, yet not Fleet Master, which is curious, but the point still holds he was not called Special Operations Commander, or simply Commander for short. While his title is Fleet Master, it is obvious that his rank is indeed Special Operations Commander, which clearly indicates the distinction between Rank and Title, just like Ship Master.
Field Master should also be listed as a title, not a Rank. Take [[Noga 'Putumee]] for example. He is known to be a Zealot, like Rtas he is constantly referred to by his title of Field Master. This signifies to me that Field Master is a title in which Zealots can earn. The fact that Zealots are above Generals makes it easy to infer that the Zealots with the title of Field Master would be in command of ground operations, while Generals acted as sub-commanders. Speaking of Sub-commanders, [[Re'gish Wamik]] is another example as to why Field Master should be listed as a title. By his armor it is obvious that he is a Zealot, yet he holds the title of Field Master.
Now, what I propose we do about all this is quite simple. In the Sangheili Ranks box, add General to the Regular Ranks. Remove Field Master, Ship Master, and Fleet Master from the Zealot ranks, and simply list Zealot and Field Marshall. The Field, Ship, and Fleet Master sub groups can be listed on the Zealot page, and expanded upon there. And while that box is getting cleaned up, add Light of Sanghelios/Honor Guard Ultra back into there. Not sure why it was taken out of the Rank Box in the first place. I mean we physically see them in Halo 2 and they are mentioned in Contact Harvest.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 17:48, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
:With information from ''Halo: Reach'' and especially the ''Essential Visual Guide'', I think we should rework the entire article. While the Zealots do occasionally serve in leading positions, their main role is to serve as special force squads who hunt down artifacts or intelligence. What further sets them apart from the normal military is the fact they are under the authority of an entirely separate ministry than the rest of Covenant military forces (Ministry of Fervent Intercession, as opposed to the Ministry of Resolution).
:Like you said, it's also apparent that the "-masters" are not ranks nor exclusive to the Zealot-class, but instead titles given to individuals of any rank serving in a particular position. They can sometimes be Zealots, but not nearly all of them are.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:54, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
Precisely. The whole system right now regarding Zealots is flawed and ambiguous. I am in favor of reworking the articles, however I'm sure it is against some sort of rule to simply change everything based on my interpretation. There needs to be some sort of consensus.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 17:22, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
Having just reread Ghosts of Onyx, don't forget that Xytan appears to promote Voro to Fleet Master, making it kinda more like a rank. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  21:37, 22 October 2011 (EDT)!
== Gold armor = Zealot? ==
Having reworked most of the article, I'm faced with a difficult conundrum. Should we assume all the Sangheili with gold armor seen in pre-''Reach'' fiction are Zealots, based on the color of their armor alone? The ''Essential Visual Guide'' confirms that Zealots in ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' wore gold armor, and a gold-armored Elite was stated to be a Zealot in ''Halo 2'', but what about the rest, such as [[Noga 'Putumee]], [[Luro 'Taralumee]] and [[Re'gish Wamik]]?
Clearly, all Shipmasters can't be assumed to be Zealots anymore, but this concerns all gold-armored Elites. We could simply assume it for the sake of simplicity, but it would still be unverified.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:52, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
:It wasn't until ''Halo: Reach'' that gold-armored Elites appeared that may have not necessarily been Zealots. I think it's safe to assume that the examples you've given above are, since they were introduced before ''Halo: Reach''. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 15:20, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
I have an interesting idea. The Gold Zealots we see are typically leaders. They are in the heart of the battle, commanding troops and leading the war. That is the typical description of Zealots we have been used to since CE. Reach flips this upside down. The Maroon Zealots we see in Reach are described as somewhat of an infiltration team to get behind enemy lines and eliminate a target of value or take something of religious value. This brings me to believe one of these is either not a Zealot, or is a different class of Zealot. Kinda like the relationship between Officer and Major. We have the Gold Zealots and the Maroon Zealots. Just something that came to mind while pondering this conundrum.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 15:27, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
It's also interesting to note that they are using the Reach Zealot Armor in Anniversary but with a Gold Color. [[user:ArchedThunder]]
If you have a picture of a Zealot in Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary that would great! Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  21:35, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
The reason I'm questioning this is because there is sufficient evidence to assume that Voro Nar 'Mantakree, who used gold armor as a fleet master, was not a Zealot at any point; he was a major by the time he assumed the role of shipmaster, but wore gold armor when he faced Kurt-051 on Onyx. Since we now know Zealots are a separate group, it's not likely Voro would have become one somewhere between the battle at Installation 05 and his death on Onyx, not only because of the short timeframe but also his distinctively non-zealous views on the Covenant religion. It's also fairly apparent he wasn't a general, so it seems he wore gold armor purely as an indication of his position.
This may imply that gold armor isn't tied to a particular rank or group (Zealot or General) but represents the wearer's status as a shipmaster, field master or fleet master. As we've seen, not all shipmasters wear gold armor, so it may be a choice. It should be noted, though, that both of the shipmasters who don't wear gold armor (Rtas 'Vadum and the one from ''The Return'') appear to be Special Operations commanders, so it's possible the silver armor of a commander is regarded as an equal indicator of authority as a gold armor. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 09:24, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:''In response to your first paragraph'': Nope, sorry.  Your forgetting a very important part in the book.  The Imperial Admiral PROMOTES Voro to the rank of Fleet Master when they had their meeting.  Also, while aboard the ''Incorruptible''; I believe that Voro did something bad, and his bridge members/the Mgalekgolo could have --if they wanted to-- killed him for obviously murdering their shipmaster, but they all just decided to go along with it.  So he was not officially a Zealot then, but, after his meeting with Xytan he is officially promoted to Fleet Master (talk about skipping a rank!). Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:46, 23 October 2011 (EDT)!!!
::Voro was promoted to Fleet Master, but no one said he became a Zealot. The whole issue here is that in light of the new information on Zealots, it seems that one doesn't need to be a Zealot in order to be a Ship/Field/Fleet Master. That was always simply a supposition based on the fact they all wear gold armor, but it has never been confirmed in official material.
::Now, beyond accepting the fact the aforementioned titles aren't necessarily exclusive to the Zealot-class, it's still up to interpretation how exactly the ranking system works. It seems clear Shipmaster is simply a title given to anyone in charge of a ship, but I think the question here is whether Field Master and Fleet Master are actual ranks, or roles that may be assumed by any high-ranking individual, Zealot or not. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:12, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Or, it is also possible, that ZEALOT is a title, which includes everything in it.  So for example, Rtas would be both a Commander and a Zealot.  So kinda like what we all said above, but with Zealots in general. 
::Alternatively, don't forget that we've seen gold-armored Elites being Zealots for ALL of Halo history (they've been referred to as Zealots throughout everything), and now we have one special instance of multiple Zealots together forming a special strike team.  I think it may be that those Zealots in Reach are -masters, but since this was a mission of "high importance" that needed to be executed quickly, efficiently, and without failure, they composed a team fully of Zealots.  The only question this raises is isn't that the job of Special Operations Sangheili (perhaps because they were looking for something uber important)?  But besides for that I think that it all fits pretty well.  As for their armor, look below. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  14:26, 23 October 2011 (EDT)!
::::I think the only time a golden-armored Elite has been referred to as a Zealot is a single instance in ''Halo 2'', in the level ''Uprising''; I wouldn't say that counts as "throughout everything". Feel free to point out if you can find more, though. Still, to me it seems more like an example of us fans jumping into conclusions based on limited information.
::::The most pressing reason to assume all gold-armored Elites (Voro included) are ''not'' Zealots is the fact ''The Essential Visual Guide'' and the ''Encyclopedia'' both state that Zealots are, as their name suggests, the most fanatical followers of the Covenant religion among the Sangheili. Voro, on the other hand, was extremely practical and certainly not someone you could describe as zealous. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:47, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::Actual, the generalisation of "Gold-armoured Elites = Zealots" is by design as expressed by Bungie in their Vidocs/Behind-the-Scenes specials. So, it is actually a correct generalisation to assume so, that is until ''Reach'' came out. The Encyclopaedias and EVG simply recorded that design to make it more apparent. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 17:52, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:''The Essential Visual Guide'' outright states that the gold-armored Elites seen in ''Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo 2'' are Zealots, though, to be technical, it doesn't specify that they are ''all'' Zealots. Anyway, like Jugus said, gold-colored armor isn't necessarily a symbol of rank; more likely, it simply means the wearer has a high position and a lofty title - Field Master, Fleet Master, ''et cetera'' - regardless of his true rank. Perhaps golden armor indicates that the wearer is involved in high-profile, overt operations, like 'Putumee (Field Master), 'Mantakree (Fleet Master), and 'Taralumee (Supreme Commander), while white/silver armor represents that the wearer is involved in more ''subtle'' work, like Rtas 'Vadum. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 09:44, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
Then what about the Maroon Zealots in Reach? No matter which standpoint you take on this, there is some explaining to do.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 12:15, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:The easiest way to explain it would be that Zealots tasked with infiltration and artifact hunting are clad in maroon armor, while ones assigned to command duties wear the gold armor we've seen in the previous games. As per above, the gold coloration would serve to identify them as commanders who serve alongside regular forces as opposed to artifact recovery detachments who operate independently. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:21, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:::What about the Zealot in Foward Unto Dawn, then? Why would a lone wolf zealot be attacking the academy, chasing after cadets? http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 19:03, 4 November 2012 (EST)
::Not to mention that if you're trying to be subtle, going in with shiny gold armor isn't the best way to do it. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:50, 23 October 2011 (EDT)!
So basically what I said in my first reply to this section... lol--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 14:33, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
What if the Zealot armor in Reach was going out of circulation in the Covenant, or as mentioned earlier was a special circumstance of the infiltration teams led by Field Marshals, the only way we can know is if it's specifically stated. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 16:40, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
I don't know about this whole thing, but there's a Bishop Sangheili in Glasslands (OMG! READING IT NOW!), and he's described as wearing gold armor.  Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  17:33, 24 October 2011 (EDT)!
Bishop is the title Avu Med 'Telcam holds in the Servants of Abiding Truth. His title in the Covenant Military was Field Marshall. Implying he is most likely a General considering his Gold Armor. Or he is a Gold Zealot like the ones in CEA.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 19:11, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
:Page 52 of ''The Great Journey: The Art of Building Worlds'' confirms that Elites with golden armor are field commanders: ''"Elites have their own hierarchy, and their rank can be ascertained by the color of their armor. A useful tool on the battlefield, for sure, <u>with gold marking out field commanders</u>, red indicating a veteran, and blue marking out an Elite's status as standard infantry."'' All golden-armored Elites are high-ranking leaders, but they are not necessarily Zealots. For example, Noga 'Putumee wore golden armor because he was a Field Master, not because he was a Zealot. Similarly, the Zealot from ''Uprising'' wore golden armor not because he was a Zealot, but because he was a field commander of some sort; perhaps he was a Field Marshal in non-standard armor.  --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:55, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
::With that in mind, would I be right in thinking that the zealots from Reach were veterans while the ones in CEA are field commanders?--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 00:06, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
==More canon confusion==
So with the release of ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary]]'', we now have Elites that are wearing Zealot armor which is ''gold''. Does anyone else think the powers that be just can't decide on a coloration? -- [[User talk:SFH|SFH]] 20:26, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:I think that Zealots assigned to battlefield duty and command troops are gold, and those who serve in elite commando units are marroon, as stated above. That certainly makes sense to me. [[User:Anonymous ONI agent|A.O.A., Administrator of Ace Combat Fanon]] 01:48, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
==Anniversary image==
Could somebody please upload an image of a Sangheili Zealot from Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary into the Gallery section of this page?
:They are very difficult to get. Impossible without a capture card. However, I can tell you right now they look almost identical to the Halo: Reach zealots. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 23:39, 23 November 2011 (EST)
::Damn, I was hoping that they would be have gold armour as in the original. I am also disappointed that the energy swords and plasma rifles lack the distinctive cyan glow of the original. I wish I could equip fuel rod guns, and energy swords; and that they included flame-throwers in the game, but at lease they released the soundtrack on iTunes.
::''In Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary, Zealots wear the same armor configuration seen in Halo: Reach, with the only noticeable difference being that the armor is now yellowish gold similar to previous incarnations, rather than the maroon color seen in Reach. The armor still has the blue lights seen in Reach, however. ''So similar to to Halo 2 in terms of colour, but with the blue lights from Reach?
:::Yes, however, the gold is less noticeable than in the previous games. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 08:50, 24 November 2011 (EST)
== Change of Default picture ==
So in the encyclopedia says that the Sangheili Zealots we see in Halo 4 and Halo: Forward Unto Dawn look different because they are soldiers from Hesduros.  Hesduros Zealots apparently look different.  [[User:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] ([[User talk:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|talk]]) 00:40, 28 June 2013 (EDT)
:It doesn't matter where they're from. They are still Zealots and as per convention we use the most recent canonical image of them. There is no reason to change the image.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 00:48, 28 June 2013 (EDT)
Never the less a note of it should still be made of it. [[User:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] ([[User talk:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|talk]]) 01:01, 28 June 2013 (EDT)
==About the color gold==
So I've been doing some research on this subject as of late, and I've just found something interesting regarding [[Sangheili Zealot#Note|the first note]]. It says ''Halo: The Great Journey: The Art of Building Worlds'' (2011) was the first source to reveal that the color gold was for field commanders, and not specifically for Zealots. Supposedly, before that, we were supposed to believe that gold meant the Elite was Zealot (and I certainly did, like most people here). However I've unearthed a long-forgotten book, ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved: Prima's Official Strategy Guide]]'', which I believe was the first ''Halo'' reference book in existence. It was released in November 2001. In this guide, there is no mention of the rank 'Zealot' whatsoever. Instead, '''it says golden Elites are 'Commanders'.''' It's not just a descriptor, it's a rank/title as much as Minor, Major, etc. 'Commander Elite' is the name used throughout the book. Then ''[[Halo 2: The Official Strategy Guide]]'' says: "The Zealot is a hugely experienced warrior. '''His golden armor does not signify rank alone:''' it indicates that he has killed countless enemies in battle. The Arbiter himself was a Zealot before he received his 'calling'."
So there had been a number of sources about the color gold representing a position of Commander rather than the Zealot rank simply. I think the note talking about "the long-held misconception" has become obsolete now. It doesn't matter whether older wiki users held a misconception for a long time, as long as it did not have any impact on the ''Halo'' universe itself (as it did with the URF). Does it bother anyone if I erase that part of Halopedia's dark ages from the notes? Or does it still matter in some way to point out the "long-held misconception"? [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 22:56, 24 January 2016 (EST)
:I agree, go for it. We know that shipmasters, fieldmasters, supreme commanders, etc. wear gold armor, but that doesn't mean they are Zealots. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 23:13, 24 January 2016 (EST)
::I definitely agree. It's time to finally fix this misconception. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:09, 25 January 2016 (EST)

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