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What the hell they're not called that. [[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 01:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC) | What the hell they're not called that. [[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 01:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
:In the very beginning of Halo:The Flood, "half-commander" is mentioned. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halopedian.com/User:ED/Gaming <font color="000000">(gaming)</font>]</sup></b> 02:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC) | :In the very beginning of [[HtF|Halo:The Flood]], "half-commander" is mentioned. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halopedian.com/User:ED/Gaming <font color="000000">(gaming)</font>]</sup></b> 02:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
Interesting, what an odd name for them... --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | Interesting, what an odd name for them... --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
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==Domo== | ==Domo== | ||
That name makes me think of [[wikipedia:Domo-kun|Domo-kun]]. Not very flattering to the Covenant. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 11:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | That name makes me think of [[wikipedia:Domo-kun|Domo-kun]]. Not very flattering to the Covenant. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 11:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
:hehe...=D Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> | :hehe...=D Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 19:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
What does the domo mean? All I know is that it was mentioned in Ghost's of Onyx.--[[User:SPARTAN-137|Fragg3d]] 02:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC) | What does the domo mean? All I know is that it was mentioned in Ghost's of Onyx.--[[User:SPARTAN-137|Fragg3d]] 02:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
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It should be noted that in halo 2, a major elite requires two headshots from a sniper rifle/beam rifle to kill it on ANY difficulty, even easy. In halo:CE though oddly enough that is only the case on legendary, any other difficulty it is only 1. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 22:07, December 8, 2009 (UTC) | It should be noted that in halo 2, a major elite requires two headshots from a sniper rifle/beam rifle to kill it on ANY difficulty, even easy. In halo:CE though oddly enough that is only the case on legendary, any other difficulty it is only 1. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 22:07, December 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Are you sure? If my memory serves me well, it took me one headshot to kill a major elite on Heroic on Halo 2.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:11, December 8, 2009 (UTC) | :Are you sure? If my memory serves me well, it took me one headshot to kill a major elite on Heroic on Halo 2.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:11, December 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I think you're mistaken, headshots are a one-hit KO, regardless of difficulty. Correct me if I'm wrong. - | :I think you're mistaken, headshots are a one-hit KO, regardless of difficulty. Correct me if I'm wrong. - [[File:Major.png|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 22:13, December 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:If it takes you more than one shot to kill it after you have dropped its shields, you are not shooting it in the head. However, with the shielding, it takes two shots to kill it on Legendary. Because my ''Halo 2'' and XBox are FUBAR, I cannot verify it on my own. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:34, December 9, 2009 (UTC) | :If it takes you more than one shot to kill it after you have dropped its shields, you are not shooting it in the head. However, with the shielding, it takes two shots to kill it on Legendary. Because my ''Halo 2'' and XBox are FUBAR, I cannot verify it on my own. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:34, December 9, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I've been playing Halo 2 on Legendary recently and Major Elites definitely take two sniper headshots to kill, one to take down their shields and one to actually kill them. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 16:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC) | ::I've been playing Halo 2 on Legendary recently and Major Elites definitely take two sniper headshots to kill, one to take down their shields and one to actually kill them. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 16:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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The main image is inaccurate. Change it to a Major from CEA.--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.88.109|210.56.88.109]] 01:12, 11 December 2011 (EST) | The main image is inaccurate. Change it to a Major from CEA.--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.88.109|210.56.88.109]] 01:12, 11 December 2011 (EST) | ||
:Nope, Halopedia has a policy of using the most recent canonical image of something. Therefore the most recent canonical image of this would from <s>''Halo 3''</s>.--'''''<span style="color:green">Commander</span>''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:red">Halofan1234</span>]] (''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">I say</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">the cabal</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:purple">does not exist</span>]]'') 11:01, 11 December 2011 (EST) | :Nope, Halopedia has a policy of using the most recent canonical image of something. Therefore the most recent canonical image of this would from <s>''Halo 3''</s>.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Commander</span>]]''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:red">Halofan1234</span>]] (''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">I say</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">the cabal</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:purple">does not exist</span>]]'') 11:01, 11 December 2011 (EST) | ||
::''Halo: Reach''.--'''''<span style="color:green">Commander</span>''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:red">Halofan1234</span>]] (''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">I say</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">the cabal</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:purple">does not exist</span>]]'') 11:04, 11 December 2011 (EST) | ::''Halo: Reach''.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Commander</span>]]''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:red">Halofan1234</span>]] (''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">I say</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">the cabal</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:purple">does not exist</span>]]'') 11:04, 11 December 2011 (EST) | ||
Wong again. We use the '''best''' picture for article picture. A good example of this are the SPARTANs. So yes, we would still use Halo: Reach, in this case, because Halo: Reach looks the best. Vegerot goes RAWR! | Wong again. We use the '''best''' picture for article picture. A good example of this are the SPARTANs. So yes, we would still use Halo: Reach, in this case, because Halo: Reach looks the best. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 13:51, 11 December 2011 (EST) | ||
Well despite that whole debate of which game came first, even if Halo: Reach is the newest, Majors in Minor harness do not appear in-game and unless there is proof of them in the campaign then there is still a problem. Since the 'Officer' armor is the main and most distinct instance of a Major then the Officer image should be the main article picture. --[[User talk:Radical Edward2|RadicalEdward2]] 18:19, 11 December 2011 (EST) | Well despite that whole debate of which game came first, even if Halo: Reach is the newest, Majors in Minor harness do not appear in-game and unless there is proof of them in the campaign then there is still a problem. Since the 'Officer' armor is the main and most distinct instance of a Major then the Officer image should be the main article picture. --[[User talk:Radical Edward2|RadicalEdward2]] 18:19, 11 December 2011 (EST) | ||
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::::Those are some good points. But please, if you're not logged in and have an account, could you at least sign so we know who you are?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 19:33 11 March 2012 | ::::Those are some good points. But please, if you're not logged in and have an account, could you at least sign so we know who you are?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 19:33 11 March 2012 | ||
:::::I would vote in favour of either the Anniversary model or the Halo: Reach one. Either would suffice. Or perhaps both? The red (Minor) is inaccurate for two reasons. One, it's simply outdated. Two, it's from multiplayer. And correct me if I'm wrong, but do the multiplayer elites even have eyes? o.O -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 04:28, 12 March 2012 (EDT) | :::::I would vote in favour of either the Anniversary model or the Halo: Reach one. Either would suffice. Or perhaps both? The red (Minor) is inaccurate for two reasons. One, it's simply outdated. Two, it's from multiplayer. And correct me if I'm wrong, but do the multiplayer elites even have eyes? o.O -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 04:28, 12 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
::::::We are using the most recent in the timeline. That's why we are using the Halo 3-era Brute Minor as its article's main image. Similarly, the most "recent" sighting of a Major Elite in the Halo universe is in Halo 3, where all they are wear the classic Elite armor. With the new Officer sub-class, we assume both of them exist as of 2552, so we have both of them. The reason why we use the multiplayer Elite to create the classic armor red Elite is because they look very similar to the most recent version, and has better graphics. It's complicated. See [[Talk:Activation Index#Main Image|here]] for a more detailed explanation. :) —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | ::::::We are using the most recent in the timeline. That's why we are using the Halo 3-era Brute Minor as its article's main image. Similarly, the most "recent" sighting of a Major Elite in the Halo universe is in Halo 3, where all they are wear the classic Elite armor. With the new Officer sub-class, we assume both of them exist as of 2552, so we have both of them. The reason why we use the multiplayer Elite to create the classic armor red Elite is because they look very similar to the most recent version, and has better graphics. It's complicated. See [[Talk:Activation Index#Main Image|here]] for a more detailed explanation. :) —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 05:56, 12 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
:::::::Looks like you guys didn't reach a definitive conclusion in that discussion. But I can understand the various reasoning. I'm just not too keen on advocating models which have no eyes. I don't exactly have an Xbox next to me these days to look into this further. But I'll be content with your decision. ;) -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:30, 16 March 2012 (EDT) | :::::::Looks like you guys didn't reach a definitive conclusion in that discussion. But I can understand the various reasoning. I'm just not too keen on advocating models which have no eyes. I don't exactly have an Xbox next to me these days to look into this further. But I'll be content with your decision. ;) -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:30, 16 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
In response to spartan331, based on your logic, we should have a picture of a white Reach Minor on the Ultra page, a gold Reach Minor on the Zealot page, etc. Let's just use the picture that's ''from the game''. I mean, seriously, guys, I thought this was supposed to be accurate. What if someone hasn't played Reach, and just assumes that Majors appear like they do in the other games. Before you know it, someone gets in a flamewar with someone who ''has'' played the game, and it all goes downhill from there.--[[User talk:TK 234|One who survived]] 21:44, 23 March 2012 (EDT) | In response to spartan331, based on your logic, we should have a picture of a white Reach Minor on the Ultra page, a gold Reach Minor on the Zealot page, etc. Let's just use the picture that's ''from the game''. I mean, seriously, guys, I thought this was supposed to be accurate. What if someone hasn't played Reach, and just assumes that Majors appear like they do in the other games. Before you know it, someone gets in a flamewar with someone who ''has'' played the game, and it all goes downhill from there.--[[User talk:TK 234|One who survived]] 21:44, 23 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
:Probably. But I don't think there would be anyone obnoxious enough to think they know everything about ''Halo'' even though they haven't seen the newest canon. Keep in mind that Majors themselves were never seen in ''Reach'', only their sub-class was seen. Take this to [[User:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]], who placed the images there. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :Probably. But I don't think there would be anyone obnoxious enough to think they know everything about ''Halo'' even though they haven't seen the newest canon. Keep in mind that Majors themselves were never seen in ''Reach'', only their sub-class was seen. Take this to [[User:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]], who placed the images there. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 04:14, 24 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
==Between a Rock and a Hard Place== | ==Between a Rock and a Hard Place== | ||
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The Halo Encyclopedia makes it official that the Officer sub-class exists. So now I have to consider the defining aspects of this class. The Anniversary Majors are wearing the Officer armour however. So would I be correct to say that the only defining aspect between regular Majors and the Officer sub-class is the slightly tinted orange colour of the Officer elites? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 04:32, 12 March 2012 (EDT) | The Halo Encyclopedia makes it official that the Officer sub-class exists. So now I have to consider the defining aspects of this class. The Anniversary Majors are wearing the Officer armour however. So would I be correct to say that the only defining aspect between regular Majors and the Officer sub-class is the slightly tinted orange colour of the Officer elites? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 04:32, 12 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
:Yes. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :Yes. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 05:56, 12 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
::Cool. Nice concise answer. xD -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:03, 16 March 2012 (EDT) | ::Cool. Nice concise answer. xD -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:03, 16 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
:::XD Yes, it would be correct for you to say that the only defining aspect between regular Majors and the Officer sub-class is the slightly tinted orange colour of the Officer elites. Just look at the last paragraph in the section labelled "Background".—[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :::XD Yes, it would be correct for you to say that the only defining aspect between regular Majors and the Officer sub-class is the slightly tinted orange colour of the Officer elites. Just look at the last paragraph in the section labelled "Background".—[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 04:14, 24 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
== Retcons: inaccurate information == | == Retcons: inaccurate information == | ||
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When Reach was released we were introduced to the Officers, a sub-class of Majors. The article reflects this, what it does not reflect are more recent retcons (CEA) that showed us that Majors all wear the Officer armour. When the appearance of other things were modified they were changed but this article clings to the past and describes Majors as wearing the same armour as Minors. Evidence indicates that this is no longer true. No Majors in Reach or CEA wore Minor armour, in fact, all Majors in CEA wore Officer armour. The Reach images of Majors in Minor style armour are therefore not official and should be removed.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 08:18, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | When Reach was released we were introduced to the Officers, a sub-class of Majors. The article reflects this, what it does not reflect are more recent retcons (CEA) that showed us that Majors all wear the Officer armour. When the appearance of other things were modified they were changed but this article clings to the past and describes Majors as wearing the same armour as Minors. Evidence indicates that this is no longer true. No Majors in Reach or CEA wore Minor armour, in fact, all Majors in CEA wore Officer armour. The Reach images of Majors in Minor style armour are therefore not official and should be removed.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 08:18, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
:Previously discussed. CEA is not a reliable visual source. Heck, is CEA even a retcon? —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :[[Talk:Type-25_Directed_Energy_Rifle#HR_Plasma_Rifle_in_HCEA|Previously discussed]]. CEA is not a reliable visual source. Heck, is CEA even a retcon? —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 09:02, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
::How is that an example of it being unreliable? It makes sense that the PR would be consistent between Reach and CEA. The Majors have never appeared in the Minor armour in Reach or CEA. When people added Gold Zealot images in Halo 3 graphics they were removed due to them never appearing in those graphics. This is akin to that. What we have is the Officers from Reach and the Majors from CEA, also supported by the Library from CEA, the same one that confirms the existence of both gold and crimson Zealots.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 09:36, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | ::How is that an example of it being unreliable? It makes sense that the PR would be consistent between Reach and CEA. The Majors have never appeared in the Minor armour in Reach or CEA. When people added Gold Zealot images in Halo 3 graphics they were removed due to them never appearing in those graphics. This is akin to that. What we have is the Officers from Reach and the Majors from CEA, also supported by the Library from CEA, the same one that confirms the existence of both gold and crimson Zealots.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 09:36, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
:::Read [[Talk:Sangheili_Major#Majors_are_officers.|this]]. I still don't understand your point. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :::Read [[Talk:Sangheili_Major#Majors_are_officers.|this]]. I still don't understand your point. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 19:48, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
::::The point is that it is inaccurate. The Library feature in CEA shows Majors wearing darker Officer armour. At no point has a Major been seen in Reach/CEA graphics wearing MInor style armour. This issue happened once before with the Zealots and the Halo 3 graphics. It was decided that using a multiplayer image of a "Zealot" was inaccurate and so the page features no Halo 3 images. All evidence points to the Majors wearing Officer armour and the page should reflect this.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 23:08, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | ::::The point is that it is inaccurate. The Library feature in CEA shows Majors wearing darker Officer armour. At no point has a Major been seen in Reach/CEA graphics wearing MInor style armour. This issue happened once before with the Zealots and the Halo 3 graphics. It was decided that using a multiplayer image of a "Zealot" was inaccurate and so the page features no Halo 3 images. All evidence points to the Majors wearing Officer armour and the page should reflect this.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 23:08, 7 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
:::::Okay, so we should remove the Major with red Minor armor because we removed the Halo 3 Zealot armor, yes? —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :::::Okay, so we should remove the Major with red Minor armor because we removed the Halo 3 Zealot armor, yes? —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 00:06, 8 June 2012 (EDT) | ||