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What the hell they're not called that. [[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 01:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
What the hell they're not called that. [[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 01:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:In the very beginning of Halo:The Flood, "half-commander" is mentioned. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halopedian.com/User:ED/Gaming <font color="000000">(gaming)</font>]</sup></b> 02:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:In the very beginning of [[HtF|Halo:The Flood]], "half-commander" is mentioned. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halopedian.com/User:ED/Gaming <font color="000000">(gaming)</font>]</sup></b> 02:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


Interesting, what an odd name for them... --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, what an odd name for them... --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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==Domo==
==Domo==
That name makes me think of [[wikipedia:Domo-kun|Domo-kun]]. Not very flattering to the Covenant. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 11:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
That name makes me think of [[wikipedia:Domo-kun|Domo-kun]]. Not very flattering to the Covenant. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 11:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
:hehe...=D Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>File:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 19:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
:hehe...=D Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 19:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


What does the domo mean? All I know is that it was mentioned in Ghost's of Onyx.--[[User:SPARTAN-137|Fragg3d]] 02:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
What does the domo mean? All I know is that it was mentioned in Ghost's of Onyx.--[[User:SPARTAN-137|Fragg3d]] 02:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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It should be noted that in halo 2, a major elite requires two headshots from a sniper rifle/beam rifle to kill it on ANY difficulty, even easy. In halo:CE though oddly enough that is only the case on legendary, any other difficulty it is only 1. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 22:07, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
It should be noted that in halo 2, a major elite requires two headshots from a sniper rifle/beam rifle to kill it on ANY difficulty, even easy. In halo:CE though oddly enough that is only the case on legendary, any other difficulty it is only 1. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 22:07, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure? If my memory serves me well, it took me one headshot to kill a major elite on Heroic on Halo 2.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:11, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure? If my memory serves me well, it took me one headshot to kill a major elite on Heroic on Halo 2.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:11, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
:I think you're mistaken, headshots are a one-hit KO, regardless of difficulty. Correct me if I'm wrong. - [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 22:13, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
:I think you're mistaken, headshots are a one-hit KO, regardless of difficulty. Correct me if I'm wrong. - [[File:Major.png|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 22:13, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
:If it takes you more than one shot to kill it after you have dropped its shields, you are not shooting it in the head. However, with the shielding, it takes two shots to kill it on Legendary. Because my ''Halo 2'' and XBox are FUBAR, I cannot verify it on my own. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:34, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
:If it takes you more than one shot to kill it after you have dropped its shields, you are not shooting it in the head. However, with the shielding, it takes two shots to kill it on Legendary. Because my ''Halo 2'' and XBox are FUBAR, I cannot verify it on my own. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:34, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
::I've been playing Halo 2 on Legendary recently and Major Elites definitely take two sniper headshots to kill, one to take down their shields and one to actually kill them. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 16:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
::I've been playing Halo 2 on Legendary recently and Major Elites definitely take two sniper headshots to kill, one to take down their shields and one to actually kill them. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 16:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
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:To back up Durandal-217: the revised ''Encyclopedia'' confirms that Officers are specialized members of the Major class; the visual differences between the two types are canon, not artistic license. On a related note, the fact that the Bumblebee pilot and the Marines in the terminals - as well as some of the Marines in the ''Mona Lisa'' motion comic, seen when Foucault is reviewing the Battle of Installation 04 - wear ''Halo 3''-style BDUs is not an example of artistic license either. The fact that most Marines on Installation 04 wore the ''Reach''-style BDU doesn't mean that everyone did; both versions were used contemporaneously, so it shouldn't be surprising at all. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 22:40, 17 November 2011 (EST)
:To back up Durandal-217: the revised ''Encyclopedia'' confirms that Officers are specialized members of the Major class; the visual differences between the two types are canon, not artistic license. On a related note, the fact that the Bumblebee pilot and the Marines in the terminals - as well as some of the Marines in the ''Mona Lisa'' motion comic, seen when Foucault is reviewing the Battle of Installation 04 - wear ''Halo 3''-style BDUs is not an example of artistic license either. The fact that most Marines on Installation 04 wore the ''Reach''-style BDU doesn't mean that everyone did; both versions were used contemporaneously, so it shouldn't be surprising at all. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 22:40, 17 November 2011 (EST)
Anniversary is newer than the newest Encyclopedia, and the Encyclopedia's are notorious for their inaccurate information. Until we see a Major with the Minor armor and a Major with the Officer armor standing next to each other, I think it's safe to say they are one and the same. [[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:00, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:''Anniversary'' came out less than <u>two months</u> after the revised ''Encyclopedia''; it's not like the idea that the two classes are distinct was abandoned a long time ago. The ''Encyclopedia'' explicitly states that the Officers are a distinct subclass of the Majors, so they ''are''. We don't dispute canon just because we don't like the source. Besides, the new content in the revised ''Encyclopedia'' doesn't contradict anything, so there's no reason to question its credibility. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 13:15, 18 November 2011 (EST)


==Anniversary==
==Anniversary==
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The original grunt Major was an early build, in the final game all grunt majors have the pronged tank and all Elite majors wear the Officer armor. [[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 10:43, 17 November 2011 (EST)
The original grunt Major was an early build, in the final game all grunt majors have the pronged tank and all Elite majors wear the Officer armor. [[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 10:43, 17 November 2011 (EST)
== Separate page for majors and officers ==
If the general consensus around halopedia is that officers and majors are separate, then they also should have separate pages.
We know for a fact that they are two sets of the same rank. The real thing we are debating is why are the Majors in CEA wearing Officer armor.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 14:41, 21 November 2011 (EST)
It obviously just means that there were officers and majors fighting along side each other during the events of CEA...
::They are all Majors in CEA, and they all have Officer Armor[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 02:18, 22 November 2011 (EST)
== Main Image ==
The main image is inaccurate. Change it to a Major from CEA.--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.88.109|210.56.88.109]] 01:12, 11 December 2011 (EST)
:Nope, Halopedia has a policy of using the most recent canonical image of something. Therefore the most recent canonical image of this would from <s>''Halo 3''</s>.--'''''<span style="color:green">Commander</span>''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:red">Halofan1234</span>]] (''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">I say</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">the cabal</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:purple">does not exist</span>]]'') 11:01, 11 December 2011 (EST)
::''Halo: Reach''.--'''''<span style="color:green">Commander</span>''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:red">Halofan1234</span>]] (''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">I say</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">the cabal</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:purple">does not exist</span>]]'') 11:04, 11 December 2011 (EST)
Wong again.  We use the '''best''' picture for article picture.  A good example of this are the SPARTANs.  So yes, we would still use Halo: Reach, in this case, because Halo: Reach looks the best. Vegerot goes RAWR!  [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:51, 11 December 2011 (EST)
Well despite that whole debate of which game came first, even if Halo: Reach is the newest, Majors in Minor harness do not appear in-game and unless there is proof of them in the campaign then there is still a problem. Since the 'Officer' armor is the main and most distinct instance of a Major then the Officer image should be the main article picture. --[[User talk:Radical Edward2|RadicalEdward2]] 18:19, 11 December 2011 (EST)
I would have to agree with the OP. It's not like there is a general consensus on which looks better anyway. If anyone has a capture card and is able to take screencaps of the Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary Majors and Zealots, it would be much appreciated. Plus, I personally think CEA elites look much better. As they should, considering it is the newest version.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 20:38, 11 December 2011 (EST)
:::I'm not signed in right now, but i've been a longtime editor of the wiki since way back during halo 2 days. I'm of the opinion that we should be using reach images for the main image. The models and textures have to still fit into the hitbox of the old halo CE models, so the actual shape of the objects and entities in game are still contrianed.
:::Anyways, I see no references on the page that gives direct citeings to the differentiation of the officer subclass compared to major. [[Special:Contributions/69.132.69.87|69.132.69.87]]
::::Those are some good points. But please, if you're not logged in and have an account, could you at least sign so we know who you are?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 19:33 11 March 2012
:::::I would vote in favour of either the Anniversary model or the Halo: Reach one. Either would suffice. Or perhaps both? The red (Minor) is inaccurate for two reasons. One, it's simply outdated. Two, it's from multiplayer. And correct me if I'm wrong, but do the multiplayer elites even have eyes? o.O -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 04:28, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
::::::We are using the most recent in the timeline. That's why we are using the Halo 3-era Brute Minor as its article's main image. Similarly, the most "recent" sighting of a Major Elite in the Halo universe is in Halo 3, where all they are wear the classic Elite armor. With the new Officer sub-class, we assume both of them exist as of 2552, so we have both of them. The reason why we use the multiplayer Elite to create the classic armor red Elite is because they look very similar to the most recent version, and has better graphics. It's complicated. See [[Talk:Activation Index#Main Image|here]] for a more detailed explanation. :) —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 05:56, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Looks like you guys didn't reach a definitive conclusion in that discussion. But I can understand the various reasoning. I'm just not too keen on advocating models which have no eyes. I don't exactly have an Xbox next to me these days to look into this further. But I'll be content with your decision. ;) -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:30, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
In response to spartan331, based on your logic, we should have a picture of a white Reach Minor on the Ultra page, a gold Reach Minor on the Zealot page, etc. Let's just use the picture that's ''from the game''. I mean, seriously, guys, I thought this was supposed to be accurate. What if someone hasn't played Reach, and just assumes that Majors appear like they do in the other games. Before you know it, someone gets in a flamewar with someone who ''has'' played the game, and it all goes downhill from there.--[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 21:44, 23 March 2012 (EDT)
:Probably. But I don't think there would be anyone obnoxious enough to think they know everything about ''Halo'' even though they haven't seen the newest canon. Keep in mind that Majors themselves were never seen in ''Reach'', only their sub-class was seen. Take this to [[User:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]], who placed the images there. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 04:14, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
==Between a Rock and a Hard Place==
The Halo Encyclopedia makes it official that the Officer sub-class exists. So now I have to consider the defining aspects of this class. The Anniversary Majors are wearing the Officer armour however. So would I be correct to say that the only defining aspect between regular Majors and the Officer sub-class is the slightly tinted orange colour of the Officer elites? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 04:32, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
:Yes. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 05:56, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
::Cool. Nice concise answer. xD -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:03, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
:::XD Yes, it would be correct for you to say that the only defining aspect between regular Majors and the Officer sub-class is the slightly tinted orange colour of the Officer elites. Just look at the last paragraph in the section labelled "Background".—[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 04:14, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
== Retcons: inaccurate information ==
When Reach was released we were introduced to the Officers, a sub-class of Majors. The article reflects this, what it does not reflect are more recent retcons (CEA) that showed us that Majors all wear the Officer armour. When the appearance of other things were modified they were changed but this article clings to the past and describes Majors as wearing the same armour as Minors. Evidence indicates that this is no longer true. No Majors in Reach or CEA wore Minor armour, in fact, all Majors in CEA wore Officer armour. The Reach images of Majors in Minor style armour are therefore not official and should be removed.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 08:18, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:Previously discussed. CEA is not a reliable visual source. Heck, is CEA even a retcon? —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 09:02, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::How is that an example of it being unreliable? It makes sense that the PR would be consistent between Reach and CEA. The Majors have never appeared in the Minor armour in Reach or CEA. When people added Gold Zealot images in Halo 3 graphics they were removed due to them never appearing in those graphics. This is akin to that. What we have is the Officers from Reach and the Majors from CEA, also supported by the Library from CEA, the same one that confirms the existence of both gold and crimson Zealots.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 09:36, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:::Read [[Talk:Sangheili_Major#Majors_are_officers.|this]]. I still don't understand your point. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 19:48, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::::The point is that it is inaccurate. The Library feature in CEA shows Majors wearing darker Officer armour. At no point has a Major been seen in Reach/CEA graphics wearing MInor style armour. This issue happened once before with the Zealots and the Halo 3 graphics. It was decided that using a multiplayer image of a "Zealot" was inaccurate and so the page features no Halo 3 images. All evidence points to the Majors wearing Officer armour and the page should reflect this.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 23:08, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::Okay, so we should remove the Major with red Minor armor because we removed the Halo 3 Zealot armor, yes? —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 00:06, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
::::::Pretty much, yeah.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 00:20, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
Finally someone sees my point!--[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 22:29, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
Anyone else? I'd like to make the page more accurate but I'd like to make sure it's something agreed upon first.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 05:04, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
:I would just like to point out that the reason Zealots did not show any Halo 3 images is because we have no description of what their appearance would be in Halo 3. With the advent of the new armor permutation system in that game, we would think that they would receive their own armor configuration and not rely on the traditional "combat-harness + gold/yellow color" scheme; this stems from what we saw with the SpecOps which received their own armor configuration. In other words, the reason is because there is no information to back those Halo 3 images up for the Zealot group.
:This is quite different with the Major rank which can be supported with the text from Halo Encyclopedia. Because of this text, it can be assumed that Officer is a sub-class. Since the text does not contradict anything, it is considered as expanding the Major rank with a sub-class. Now, simply because they do not make an appearance in the game does not preclude them from ever appearing in canon. In addition, whereas enemy variants is possible in HCE (i.e. curl-back and standard model Grunts, Elites with randomised aesthetics), this feature was not used in HCEA. If the feature was used in HCEA, then the situation would be very different. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  07:11, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
::But with CEA we saw the majors in the Officer armour. They were even described in the Library with a Officer style Elite model to accompany the text. The changes in Reach altered almost everythings appearance in some way. Presenting the Majors in red Reach Minor armour is inaccurate at best. At the very least I feel that for the sake of accuracy, the Minor harness images should be changed to Halo 3 images until we have more information. With the upcoming release of Halo 4 and other media (such as Forward Unto the Dawn) we may find further clarification but at this point I simply don't believe that showing something in a game it did not appear is not right.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 07:55, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
:::And I am fully aware of that (and the Library feature). You should probably contact Durandal-217 since he created and added the image in. I couldn't possibly give a proper comment as I do not own the Encyclopedia (even if I try, it might be based on the outdated version or riddled with errors).
:::Do note that the reason I reply is simply to clarify matters. As for the proposal, I will simply stay out of it and see what others would say.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  12:00, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
I thought it important to note that the Major in Officer armor picture is inaccurate too. It looks like someone just went on Halo: Reach, put on the Officer armor and colored it maroon and white. The true Major (in Officer armor) in CEA is a crimson, rather than maroon, and has a few differences in armor coloring (I.E. the two large armor plates in the middle of the shoulder pauldrons of the Officer armor are '''always''' grey in Reach, no matter what armor colors you use. However, in CEA, that same armor piece is ''crimson''.--[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 10:12, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
==Relaunching the debate==
So it's been a few years now that this main image has been used on the Sangheili Major article. It has always been bugging me, and there is a significant discussion about that on this talk page. I don't think I ever made my case thus far, so here it is. First I'd like to make a recap of everything, pros, cons, etc.
'''What kind of image does Halopedia usually prefer?''' The general rule, from what I've understood, is that Halopedia prefers the most recent image in the ''Halo'' chronology. Simply put, this means that for example we use the [[Jiralhanae Chieftain]] from ''Halo 3'' instead of the one from ''Halo: Reach'', because it's more recent in the ''Halo'' chronology, despite the fact that ''Reach'' offers more detailed images and is more recent in the real world. However, this "policy" is also often disregarded, and there is a variety of such situations:
- It can depend on the image's quality. For example, the [[Activation index]] we use is the one from ''Halo 2'' instead of ''Halo 3'', because the one from ''Halo 3'' sucks too much, or at least that was the consensus. I think it's fair enough to not be too rigid and it was indeed a good decision.
- It can also depend on the developers' "vision". An example I found: the [[Sangheili Ranger]]. Today, the page has changed because of ''Halo 4'', but back in [http://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Sangheili_Ranger&oldid=960846 the ''Reach'' days], we had actually chosen to prefer the ''Reach'' armor over the ''Halo 2'' armor. The reason is simple, the armor from ''Reach'' represented a more "definitive" version of Bungie's vision for the Sangheili Ranger. The same could apply to the [[Special Operations Sangheili]], whose ''Reach'' version is canonically old when compared to the main trilogy, but it definitevely represents a more accurate vision of what Bungie wants the Spec Ops Sangheili to look like. This armor has recently been discarded in ''Halo 2 Anniversary'', but I think it's mainly due to the fact that Elites have a prominent role in the campaign and thus it is more "human" to represent them with their face uncovered. We should take this into account: it often depends on what the developers want something to look like, no matter when it is situated in the ''Halo'' canon. Elites in Halo 1/2 all looked the same because Bungie couldn't exactly give them their own identity, either because they didn't have the technology or hadn't even thought of many designs yet. So the whole ''Reach'' thing is still very consistent. ''Reach''/''CEA'' and ''H2A'' SpecOps are thus both canon, but ''Reach''/''CEA'' represent a more representative form of the SpecOps than ''H2A'', the latter trying to show and emphasize the SpecOps as "human-like" and thus not bothering with the helmeted armor and staying faithful to the good old ''Halo 2'' armor.
- Finally, there's the use of images that have EXCELLENT graphics. Like Regret, Miranda, Hood, Johnson, etc, who all have images from CGI cutscenes. At this point, we disregard the chronology or whatever criteria that exist.
'''So, what's exactly our view on the Sangheili Major/Officer issue?''' Basically, the Sangheili Major is represented with a standard red harness (A few examples are the ones from ''[[:File:Sangheili Major 01.png|Halo 3]]'' or ''Halo 2 Anniversary''). The Officer is a subclass of the Major rank, so Officers are Majors but Majors are not necessarily Officers. (A bit like, say, ODSTs are Marines, but not all Marines are ODSTs.) Officers can wear either red or orange armors, and are distinguished by their helmet which has some kind of ornamental spike on it (A few examples are the ones from ''[[:File:HReach - Officer Sangheili.png|Halo: Reach]]'' and ''[[:File:CEAMAJOR2.png|CEA]]'').
'''What sources clarify all that stuff?''' That's when it becomes interesting. The Library feature from ''Halo CEA'' [[:File:CEAMajor.png|describes its variant as a Major]]. This confirms that there are many looks for the Major rank, so despite the ornamental helmet of the Officer, this Elite is still a Major. The ''Halo: Encyclopedia'' (2011 edition) elaborates on that, saying that the distinction between a regular Major and a Major belonging to the Officer subclass can be made thanks to their helmet. Thus, a regular helmet implies a regular Major, and an ornamental helmet implies an Officer. We can infer that the Elite Major in ''CEA'' is a Major belonging to the Officer subclass.
'''So what's wrong with our current main image?''' The problem is not exactly what it represents. It's the whole thing of "making up" an image with unofficial images. These Elites are from multiplayer. Their combinations of armor and color, although they somehow mirror official materials, have never been officially used. This particular Minor armor has never been seen in red, and this Officer armor has never been seen in this kind of red either. The justification behind it (according to what its author said) is that it's supposed to reflect what was said in the ''Encyclopedia'' (According to Subtank, it seems okay to make these images as long as they can match what was written in the ''Encyclopedia''). Normal helmet = regular Major, ornamental helmet = Officer. But it's based off multiplayer Elites with slightly different armors and ''especially'' different colors than what we usually see in official materials. The whole idea of adapting "a general knowledge" of what something looks like and portraying it with what's at your disposal... is something that I think should be discouraged. The whole golden Zealot counter-example from ''Halo 3'' is kind of dead due to Subtank pointing out that nowadays we don't use golden Zealots from the ''H3'' multiplayer only because they don't match anymore with the more elaborated Zealot armor. This implies that we don't use ''H3'' Zealots anymore just because their armors aren't ornamental enough, not because it would be unoffical anyway since they were never exactly represented this way in these graphics. But there's still much to learn from the Zealot. [http://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Sangheili_Zealot&oldid=984619 Do you see this page?] That's the Zealot page, shortly before ''Halo 4'', in 2012. It used to display the ''Reach'' Zealot. Yet, we could have used the ''Reach'' multiplayer armor to show this particular Zealot in a golden armor, much like it was portrayed in ''CEA''. Since we didn't have a good render from ''Anniversary'' and it would have been crazy to use multiplayer to "invent" our own render, we sticked to the ''Reach'' official armor. And yet, if we had invented this golden Zealot in ''Reach''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s multiplayer, it could have still fitted in the ''Halo'' canon. But it would have been... a bit too much unofficial. Similarly, anyone could go right now in ''Halo 4''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> multiplayer, create a golden Recruit Spartan-IV, and say, look, we now have good pictures of Edward Davis. But it wouldn't be for real. So my point is, nah, let's drop those images. This is not a Major... officially it's a Minor painted in red. This is not a character reference of a Major from ''Reach''... it's a made-up Major based off a Minor in the game's multiplayer. And those two... have never been seen anywhere in official sources; just multiplayer stuff ''loosely'' adapted to illustrate something the ''Encyclopedia'' said in ''written'' form. (Supreme source of canon, *cough cough*) My point is, we don't have to delete everything. Just leave them in their respective gallery. But don't keep'em on the page. We should sort out something with more official depictions of the Major/Officer, for example [[:File:Sangheili Major 01.png|this]], [[:File:HReach - Officer Sangheili.png|this]] or [[:File:CEAMAJOR2.png|that]]. Taking better screenshots/renders from ''Halo 3'' in ''Halo: The Master Chief Collection'' (if that's even still possible) might be another solution. Or getting a slightly better render from the Library feature in ''CEA''. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 03:06, 23 November 2014 (EST)
:I've never been a fan of using the current image (for the reasons you quite exhaustively explained) and I've occasionally considered addressing this very matter. Removing the MP-derived image(s) is fine by me. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 09:26, 23 November 2014 (EST)
:A good summary of the wiki's approaches. And yes, the general rule is that the image in the infobox should be the most recent image in the ''Halo'' chronology.
:To clarify about H2/H3's Activation Index, the consensus is basically [[Talk:Activation_index#Main_Image|what Jugus said in that talk page]]: ''"The latest image of the Index in its actual, physical form is from Halo 2. The Halo 3 version is merely its holographic representation."'' The quality bit is one of many factors to be taken into consideration. Just because it's graphically prettier does not mean that we should always use the prettier one over the dated image.
:But yeah, removing or replacing the multiplayer images is fine by me as well. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:56, 23 November 2014 (EST)
==Ground Command==
Not sure what to do with this: [http://i.imgur.com/IYihrPB.jpg Link]. Are officers and majors no different from each other whatsoever? Should the page be renamed?[[User:Japeth555|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555|talk]]) 19:37, 24 December 2016 (EST)Japeth555
:I think the current title is fine, for the sake of standardization with the other Covenant ranks, though the new info should obviously be included in the article. As for the Officer/Major distinction, I don't think there's any reason to ignore the information from the 2011 Encyclopedia; the ''Ground Command'' description is likely just for simplification's sake. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 11:29, 26 December 2016 (EST)

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