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==NO TEABAGGING!== | ==NO TEABAGGING!== | ||
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see [[Drop Dead on The Great Journey]]. | see [[Drop Dead on The Great Journey]]. | ||
[[User:Halofan|<font color="Green">ĦДĿΘFáЙ</font>]] [[User talk: Halofan|<font color="Red">"ДňḌ áиŐТЋéṜ ĜŗŲṆṭ</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halofan|bίТËṣ тḤє ḌŲšт"]] 21:05, 7 September 2007 | [[User:Halofan|<font color="Green">ĦДĿΘFáЙ</font>]] [[Image:Legendary.jpg|30px]] [[User talk: Halofan|<font color="Red">"ДňḌ áиŐТЋéṜ ĜŗŲṆṭ</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halofan|bίТËṣ тḤє ḌŲšт"]] 21:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
==Wouldn't it be cool== | ==Wouldn't it be cool== | ||
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==Highest Rank Arbiter?== | ==Highest Rank Arbiter?== | ||
Not going to use this then? | [[Image:Councillor.jpg|150px|thumb|Not going to use this then?]] | ||
It can be assumed An [[Arbiter]] is the Highest rank an Elite can have(though they | It can be assumed An [[Arbiter]] is the Highest rank an Elite can have(though they aer appointed). -- 67.82.160.199 15:57, 26 December 2006 | ||
:I'd say not, since, although it's a great honor to be the Arbiter, AFAWCT they're only appointed in times of great need, and the Elites (probably) need to have a leader other than the prophets, because of the way their society works, and it's meant to be a punishment for deeds as great as letting one of the Halos be destroyed. I'd say he isn't a high rank because he probably does't have ANY rank, and instead it's a position of power aside from their usual system. [[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|Guesty-Persony-Thingy]] 16:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC) | :I'd say not, since, although it's a great honor to be the Arbiter, AFAWCT they're only appointed in times of great need, and the Elites (probably) need to have a leader other than the prophets, because of the way their society works, and it's meant to be a punishment for deeds as great as letting one of the Halos be destroyed. I'd say he isn't a high rank because he probably does't have ANY rank, and instead it's a position of power aside from their usual system. [[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|Guesty-Persony-Thingy]] 16:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
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:::Well, every single one of them has died in the line of duty, and, AFAWCT, been appointed for the dual purposes of serving and doing something special, and dying. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">G</font><font color="#770000"><sup>ü</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">é</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>ß</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">Ł</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>¥</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">∏</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>é</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">Ґ</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>∫</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">ø</font><font color="#000066"><sub>ñ</sub></font><font color="#000000">¥</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>†</sup></font><font color="#007700">ħ</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>î</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">И</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">¥</font>]]''' 04:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | :::Well, every single one of them has died in the line of duty, and, AFAWCT, been appointed for the dual purposes of serving and doing something special, and dying. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">G</font><font color="#770000"><sup>ü</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">é</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>ß</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">Ł</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>¥</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">∏</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>é</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">Ґ</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>∫</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">ø</font><font color="#000066"><sub>ñ</sub></font><font color="#000000">¥</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>†</sup></font><font color="#007700">ħ</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>î</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">И</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">¥</font>]]''' 04:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
I say that Councillor is the highest POLITICAL rank. Councillors get training in military when they get that political rank, or even during the process of getting it. Arbiter is like a sub-rank. It is just like any other very very high rank, except it is appointed. I mean, the rank Councillor is gained by political experience/military experience, or both. But the Arbiter is appointed by the Prophets, the wisest creatures we have seen so far, not a mere kill-count. (I am NOT saying that I don't like Councillors.) Imagine a field with two Councillors, two Major Elites, and the Arbiter against some brutes. Who would you trust the most? -Just a guest. | I say that Councillor is the highest POLITICAL rank. Councillors get training in military when they get that political rank, or even during the process of getting it. Arbiter is like a sub-rank. It is just like any other very very high rank, except it is appointed. I mean, the rank Councillor is gained by political experience/military experience, or both. But the Arbiter is appointed by the Prophets, the wisest creatures we have seen so far, not a mere kill-count. (I am NOT saying that I don't like Councillors.) Imagine a field with two Councillors, two Major Elites, and the Arbiter against some brutes. Who would you trust the most? -Just a guest. | ||
== Honor Guard Councilor == | == Honor Guard Councilor == | ||
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== pic == | == pic == | ||
this pic seems to be from halo:CE | this pic seems to be from halo:CE | ||
:Councillors weren't in ''Halo: CE''. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> 15:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC) | :Councillors weren't in ''Halo: CE''. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 15:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
::That is correct, and I took that pic on The Greeat Journey, while the Elite was in the Jail Cell. I also I am wonder why the heck you uploaded another copy of this with random MS paint scribblings on it. --[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 12:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC) | ::That is correct, and I took that pic on The Greeat Journey, while the Elite was in the Jail Cell. I also I am wonder why the heck you uploaded another copy of this with random MS paint scribblings on it. --[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 12:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
== New Pic == | == New Pic == | ||
oooh! | [[Image:'Nodotee.JPG|right|thumb|130px|oooh!]] | ||
I see you used my pic for the new one of the Councillor, which is okay be me. If you want i've got a ton more images of elites(mostly councillors/zealots), i can upload them if you like. | I see you used my pic for the new one of the Councillor, which is okay be me. If you want i've got a ton more images of elites(mostly councillors/zealots), i can upload them if you like. | ||
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== Overwatch == | == Overwatch == | ||
I'm now watching this page and all other elite pages. Making sure no more mistakes are being written, like the [[Arbiter]] rank mistake. | I'm now watching this page and all other elite pages. Making sure no more mistakes are being written, like the [[Arbiter]] rank mistake. | ||
:--[[User:Donut THX 1138|'''Councilor 'Nodotee''']]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Donut THX 1138 |BattleNet]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> - <nowiki>[</nowiki> | :--[[User:Donut THX 1138|'''Councilor 'Nodotee''']] [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] <sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Donut THX 1138 |BattleNet]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> - <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia|Covenant of Halopedia]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> 03:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
:But shouldn't you first prove beyond reasnable doubt that Arbiters are not higher than Councillors in hierarchy? I mean, take it out of the page for futher discussion is understandable, but to edit everything else?--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 02:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC) | :But shouldn't you first prove beyond reasnable doubt that Arbiters are not higher than Councillors in hierarchy? I mean, take it out of the page for futher discussion is understandable, but to edit everything else?--[[User:Daas Keter 'Tipheret|High Seraph]] 02:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
Until someone conclusively proves the Arbiter outranks councilors then I have to agree with Donut. It is safer and more reasonable to assume the councilors outrank the arbiter. Councilors militarily are likely on par with the president if he always had military prowess and the arbiter is his secretary of defense/chiefs of staff. The arbiter has more direct military control but the councilors decide what he does and can overrule him. | Until someone conclusively proves the Arbiter outranks councilors then I have to agree with Donut. It is safer and more reasonable to assume the councilors outrank the arbiter. Councilors militarily are likely on par with the president if he always had military prowess and the arbiter is his secretary of defense/chiefs of staff. The arbiter has more direct military control but the councilors decide what he does and can overrule him. | ||
==Elite Councillors in the level Uprising?== | ==Elite Councillors in the level Uprising?== | ||
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OK, i'll be as simple as possible. In the ending cutscene, the arbiter said that the councillors were murdered by the brutes. Except I don't remember the arbiter running into any councillor corpses. Now the only explanation for this is that the dead elite minors found in the beginning of the level were in fact the elite councilors. Proof of that would be that sometimes you can hear the brutes talking about the councilors. The fact that the corpses are minors is answered by the fact that the covenant race of the lowest rank is the only dead rank found. This can be because bungie would like the person to guess their rank (not likely), it takes time to put details in the bodies (probably not), or they feel that as long as the player knows that an elite died, the rest of it doesn't matter (most likely). The fact that only the race with the lowest rank is the only corpse found is further answered on the High Charity level where dead jackal minors are found by beam rifles which are only carried by Jackal snipers. '''Can someone please agree with what I am saying and answer back with what your thoughts are on this topic?''' --[[User:HaloRocks!|HaloRocks!]] 03:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC) | OK, i'll be as simple as possible. In the ending cutscene, the arbiter said that the councillors were murdered by the brutes. Except I don't remember the arbiter running into any councillor corpses. Now the only explanation for this is that the dead elite minors found in the beginning of the level were in fact the elite councilors. Proof of that would be that sometimes you can hear the brutes talking about the councilors. The fact that the corpses are minors is answered by the fact that the covenant race of the lowest rank is the only dead rank found. This can be because bungie would like the person to guess their rank (not likely), it takes time to put details in the bodies (probably not), or they feel that as long as the player knows that an elite died, the rest of it doesn't matter (most likely). The fact that only the race with the lowest rank is the only corpse found is further answered on the High Charity level where dead jackal minors are found by beam rifles which are only carried by Jackal snipers. '''Can someone please agree with what I am saying and answer back with what your thoughts are on this topic?''' --[[User:HaloRocks!|HaloRocks!]] 03:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
Perhaps you are right HaloRocks or maybe no councilor bodies are found because brutes recognize their high status and cannibalize the body for any trophies. PS. I know how you feel. If no one bothers to argue or agree with you do your ego a stroke and pretend people like your work and don't want to clutter the page with flattery and praise of your work. PPS. I don't only because I have no self-confidence/ego :( [situation called for first emoticon ever]. Good luck man, us speculators/thinkers got to stick together. | Perhaps you are right HaloRocks or maybe no councilor bodies are found because brutes recognize their high status and cannibalize the body for any trophies. PS. I know how you feel. If no one bothers to argue or agree with you do your ego a stroke and pretend people like your work and don't want to clutter the page with flattery and praise of your work. PPS. I don't only because I have no self-confidence/ego :( [situation called for first emoticon ever]. Good luck man, us speculators/thinkers got to stick together. | ||
== This is Strange == | == This is Strange == | ||
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==helmet== | ==helmet== | ||
Think they'll make a armour permutation based on this? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font> | Think they'll make a armour permutation based on this? [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 04:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
Also about the helmet...man, it looks to me like Bungie likes to rip off a lot of stuff. Anyone else think Elite Councilors look like Alien Praetorians from AvP? (the game) [[User:75.37.225.115|75.37.225.115]] 07:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC) | Also about the helmet...man, it looks to me like Bungie likes to rip off a lot of stuff. Anyone else think Elite Councilors look like Alien Praetorians from AvP? (the game) [[User:75.37.225.115|75.37.225.115]] 07:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
Geez, I hope so. | Geez, I hope so. | ||
==Aristocrat== | ==Aristocrat== | ||
The Bestiarum describes the highest ranked Elites as Aristocrats. Should we rename the article? I don't know where, other than guides, these Elites are ''called'' Councillors, so would Aristocrats be more appropriate? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font> | The Bestiarum describes the highest ranked Elites as Aristocrats. Should we rename the article? I don't know where, other than guides, these Elites are ''called'' Councillors, so would Aristocrats be more appropriate? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
The councilor is a Military and and Politlical rank in the COVENANT. Aristocrats, however, are a rank in SANGHEILI CULTURE. ````Unggoy117```` | The councilor is a Military and and Politlical rank in the COVENANT. Aristocrats, however, are a rank in SANGHEILI CULTURE. ````Unggoy117```` | ||
Yeah. And they're the ''Same Thing''. Until the split, the ARISTOCRATS ''were'' in the COVENANT. Therefore, SINCE the Elites are no longer IN the Covenant, I'm saying that it should be RENAMED. And see how annoying fully capitol words can be? Just make it italics next time. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font> | Yeah. And they're the ''Same Thing''. Until the split, the ARISTOCRATS ''were'' in the COVENANT. Therefore, SINCE the Elites are no longer IN the Covenant, I'm saying that it should be RENAMED. And see how annoying fully capitol words can be? Just make it italics next time. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 02:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Its unclear how the Elites set up their government after they left the Covenant. Nothing is said of Councilors after Halo 2. Maybe all of them died in Halo 2, maybe the Elites set up a new government, and the rank ceased to exist. Either way, there's no need to change the page. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]][[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 02:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
: | :Then what about, at the least, a separate page for ''Aristocrat''? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 02:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
Aristocrats are lower than Councilors; this would explain why 'Rolamee was allowed to be executed without a trial. Also why he is two steps above Zuka. After all this could place him anywhere from Ultra to Zealot; but I say we remove that he was a Councilor[[User:Councilor 'Rumilee|Councilor 'Rumilee]] 21:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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