Editing Talk:SPARTAN Group Omega

==Omega mentioned in HFS?==

*On Page 20 of the book [[Halo: First Strike]], Red-Team uncovered a weapons crate designated as "HIGHCOM ARMORY OMEGA". [[SPARTAN-043|SPARTAN WILL]], who found the crate, commented, "HQ must have sent reinforcements at some point...".   This was on the world Reach during its siege by the Covenant on August 30, 2552. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 00:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the Cheif isn't the only one with catchy one liners.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 15:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
:what? Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 15:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

==Who the heck posted the last paragraph?==

 Who ever posted the last paragraph knows nothing about the game what so ever. 
First of the game is developed by Ensemble Studios. It takes place befor Halo 1, Thats right im pretty sure the Spartan IIIs where not active at the start of the UNSC Covenant war. Also that was a trailer and there is no fact it's in the game of anything.

== Omega ==

I think that Omega is merely a unit of forces aboard the Spirit of Fire, and that it just happens to contain Spartans. there are marines in the background of the Spartans, and i'd say they're part of Spartan Group Omega too. it's probably just headed by the Spartans.

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I truly beleive that these are Spartan II's. Fall of Reach talks about how the Spartans were split up for long periods of time, traveling to many different parts of the galaxy to complete and accomplish different assignments and missions. 

The first time I saw the trailer, I was under the assumption bungie and ensamble were telling the story of just that. Another team on assignment in another part of the galaxy. It really makes the most sense to me.

-greg / numba1goalie@yahoo.com

== Spartan Group Omega from the third spartan 2 class ==

hey just saying its possible im not good on the time line of it but is it possible

==Automatic Battle Rifles?==

Those Battle Rifles looked automatic. Well, they did to me anyway.
If you watch and listen closely, the Marines in the trailer were just firing them in controlled bursts. Should that be noted?

== Stop with the guessing! ==

I'm fixing this article up a bit. There is no proof that the Omega group Spartans are S-II, they could be S-IV who are made in the same way the S-III were supposed to be made (clones of S-II). And I doubt the whole game will be at the start of the war...this looks like it could be Reach. And I bet the "HICOM OMEGA" thing from First Strike was for the Spartan Group Omega...also, the armor looks more like the Mk VI than Mk V (the Mk IV is identical to the Mk V but with a smaller backpack) --[[User:MLG Cheehwawa|MLG Cheehwawa]]

**It has been confirmed to be set in the Harvest System and takes place within the first 10 years of the war. [[User:CommanderTony|CommanderTony]] 17:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry Cheehwawa but thats the most proposterus thing i have ever heard, are you on something? In theory this is set before the SPARTAN-IIIs had finished training, the SPARTAN-IIIs aren't clones of SPARTAN-IIs, no such thing as SPARTAN-IVs exist, it is set before Mk. V was even created, never mind the MK. VI and as Tony mentioned its not set on Reach (there was no Omega group on Reach, were they battled during fall of Reach was temperate and not snowy). I think you need to go read somethings through. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 18:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== I know ==

If they go by the book there will be 3 spartans. It says in halo fall of reach right before the mission to capture a prophet is explained that there are THREE spartans too far away to be recalled.

That was Grey team they were talking about and if I remember correctly,that was said in 2552 and the Second Battle of Harvest took place in 2531.Grey team might have been in SPARTAN Group Omega but it is unknown as of now.Plus,a group is made of 5 or more so it can't just be Grey Team that might be apart of Omega.[[User:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 21:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

What I want to know is how the game will handle dying for the Spartans, since the books already gave a count of the dead and missing soldiers before the Fall of Reach. Maybe they will just have them go the cryo chambers. Also, unless they have the Spartans leave before the Flood (which are confirmed for the game) come, I would have to agree about them possibly being Grey Team, or at least Grey Team being the only Spartans that are still left on the planet then. [[User:The Gamer 13|The Gamer 13]]


==Do you guys not know?==

How long has it taken you to realise that this could be 'any' [[SPARTAN-II]] and that they only fought as Omega for this campaign. For all we kno this could be James,Malcom,Issac Joshua who ever so stop makin conspriacy theories bout how they are Class IIs [[User:ODST Joshie|ODST Joshie]]

Well we know [[Spartan Group Omega|3]] now so that leaves probably 2 left to be a known one.[[User:Sith Venator|Mandalorian Fleet Master Sith-venator Wavingstrider]]

== Non-Canonical Armor ==

In case it has not been pointed out yet, the armor worn by the 3 SPARTANs in Halo Wars is non-canonical in appearance and in function. The armor presented on the cover of "Halo: The Cole Protocol" was done by one of Bungie's resident artists, Isaac Hannaford, but the armor in Halo Wars is entirely different in appearance. 

Both show what is meant to be the MJOLNIR Mk IV armor, but one is produced by the creators of the Halo franchise, and one by a licensed third party. Given that Bungie-created materials supercede other sources in canonicity, it is apparent that the Halo Wars version is a fake. Why would this be?

It was established long ago that the MJOLNIR Mk V was the first model to incorporate shields and the ability to host a Smart AI, and the Mk IV had no such ability. That would mean that the MK IV only had its armor to protect the operator, rather than the shields of the MK V and VI. It took the UNSC nearly 3 decades to get shields working in MJOLNIR armor, which was given to the SPARTANs shortly before the Battle of Reach.

And yet in Halo Wars, the SPARTANs that appear already have shields and the ability for AI support, which should be impossible, since both features didn't exist until 20+ years later. This means that Ensemble has contradicted and outright ignored established canon. Interestingly, earlier in the development cycle, they said that the SPARTANs wouldn't have shielding, since that didn't appear until the MK V, and that they would heal over time.

But now, all of a sudden, they give them shields, which flies in the face of already established facts. Perhaps it was too difficult to balance them without shields, or they were afraid that players would be confused by the lack of shields? Whatever the reason, they took many functional and artistic liberties in regards to canon, and failed to make their Mk IV canonically accurate.

Its a shame that Bungie no longer owns the IP, for with this, existing canon will become convoluted beyond recognition. Signs of this have already appeared, for the armor worn by SPARTANs in "Halo: Spartan Black" is the MK VI, and it occurs before the Battle of Reach. But if it was canonically accurate, those SPARTANs would be wearing MJOLNIR MK IV, namely the one on the TCP cover.

The contradictions need to either be explained properly, or the audience must assume that new material simply takes artistic liberties to be appealing, and imagine the correct visual canon when viewing these materials.

--[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 04:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)