Editing Talk:SPARTAN-II Augmentation Procedures

==Running Speed==

I note that it is stated that the Master Chief tore his Achilles tendon while running at 105kph during the mentioned MJOLNIR MARK V training exercise. This is likely baseless speculation and very likely indicates that the Master Chief's speed is slower than the indicated speed due to the following facts: (i) MJOLNIR armor enhances physical capabilities and (ii) the damaged tendon indicates that the tissue in question was overworked to the point of breaking/snapping apart due to stress imposed by the armor.

It is illogical to contend that "Person A can go faster than the stated speed" when "Person A's body cannot withstand that speed". The speculation of being capable of even faster speed should be removed from the entry and only the established/ascertained figure should remain. - [[Special:Contributions/60.48.80.86|60.48.80.86]] 02:27, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

:You make some interesting points, but I think I can rebut them. Firstly you seem to contending that the MJOLNIR armor doesn't count as part of his augmentations, which technically it does not. However, the augmentations are necessary for the Spartans to be able to wear the armor, and are therefore necessary for the Spartans to reach their physical peak. Thus it makes sense to put the Mark V training exercise result there. Secondly: you seem to be assuming that John's injury to his Achilles tendon was the result of his running 105kph. However we must remember that he had just completed an extremely punishing obstacle course which included being blasted through the air by the detonation of an anti-tank missile. It is more than possible that injury was started then, and merely finished by his run.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 03:23, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've done some additional reading and I have to agree with your conclusions. Kelly is acknowledged as the fastest Spartan, and in Ghosts of Onyx it says that her top speed is only 62kph. Therefore John's burst of 105kph must have been unsustainable, otherwise ''he'' would be the fastest Spartan by far, which we know he is not.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 16:39, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

== Strength ==

How much can they lift in armor? --[[User:Lord Lycan|Davian Ambrosius Compton]]<sup>[[User talk:Lord Lycan|(Counsel)]]</sup> 20:13, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
:At least 3-4 tons because they can flip a warthog. They can also flip Scorpion tanks, witch are like 60 tons although I'm not sure if that is canon or just a game mechcanic.--'''<span style="background:Brown;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Arabsbananas|<font color="Tan">CR8ZY-ArAB</font>]]</span>''' 20:16, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah there's no way that's canon.

At the very least, they can swing a mongoose around like a baseball bat, so i don't see them having much difficulty with a Warthog. I doub't they'd actually be able to flip a tank, but that's a gameplay necessity. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

ok with noncanon flipp scorpion thing ur saying Halo 1,2,3,and reach are not right about SPARTANS being able to flip them. wow themselves+armor+augmentations=H*** yes they can.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 03:51, March 27, 2010 (UTC)



It's actually more likely it's a gameplay mechanic. In ODST you are able to flip warthogs and tanks. Also marines can flip ghosts and warthogs. Although you could argue that it is only a gameplay mechanic when it applies to non-spartans, it seems rather nonsensical.

Well, if any of you guys remember Halo: The Flood, it states on multiple occasions John can flip Warthogs with his hands (with some difficulty)--[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 16:21, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well I think the tank and warthog are real and the warthog is a light recon vehicle so it weighs mabey 1 ton not 3-4 tons the tank is most likely a gameplay mechanic

since your not going to find many of tanks on a map or a level.

And I think flipping the elephant like its your pillow is a gameplay mechanic too it weighs like 12 tons.
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 It is illogical to contend that "Person A can go faster than the stated speed" when "Person A's body cannot withstand that speed". The speculation of being capable of even faster speed should be removed from the entry and only the established/ascertained figure should remain. - [[Special:Contributions/60.48.80.86|60.48.80.86]] 02:27, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
-:You make some interesting points, but I think I can rebut them. Firstly you seem to contending that the MJOLNIR armor doesn't count as part of his augmentations, which technically it does not. However, the augmentations are necessary for the Spartans to be able to wear the armor, and are therefore necessary for the Spartans to reach their physical peak. Thus it makes sense to put the Mark V training exercise result there. Secondly: you seem to be assuming that John's injury to his Achilles tendon was the result of his running 105kph. However we must remember that he had just completed an extremely punishing obstacle course which included being blasted through the air by the detonation of an anti-tank missile. It is more than possible that injury was started then, and merely finished by his run.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 03:23, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
+:You make some interesting points, but I think I can rebut them. Firstly you seem to contending that the MJOLNIR armor doesn't count as part of his augmentations, which technically it does not. However, the augmentations are necessary for the Spartans to be able to wear the armor, and are therefore necessary for the Spartans to reach their physical peak. Thus it makes sense to put the Mark V training exercise result there. Secondly: you seem to be assuming that John's injury to his Achilles tendon was the result of his running 105kph. However we must remember that he had just completed an extremely punishing obstacle course which included being blasted through the air by the detonation of an anti-tank missile. It is more than possible that injury was started then, and merely finished by his run.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 03:23, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
-Okay, I've done some additional reading and I have to agree with your conclusions. Kelly is acknowledged as the fastest Spartan, and in Ghosts of Onyx it says that her top speed is only 62kph. Therefore John's burst of 105kph must have been unsustainable, otherwise ''he'' would be the fastest Spartan by far, which we know he is not.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 16:39, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
+Okay, I've done some additional reading and I have to agree with your conclusions. Kelly is acknowledged as the fastest Spartan, and in Ghosts of Onyx it says that her top speed is only 62kph. Therefore John's burst of 105kph must have been unsustainable, otherwise ''he'' would be the fastest Spartan by far, which we know he is not.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 16:39, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 == Strength ==
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 Yeah there's no way that's canon.
-At the very least, they can swing a mongoose around like a baseball bat, so i don't see them having much difficulty with a Warthog. I doub't they'd actually be able to flip a tank, but that's a gameplay necessity. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
+At the very least, they can swing a mongoose around like a baseball bat, so i don't see them having much difficulty with a Warthog. I doub't they'd actually be able to flip a tank, but that's a gameplay necessity. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 ok with noncanon flipp scorpion thing ur saying Halo 1,2,3,and reach are not right about SPARTANS being able to flip them. wow themselves+armor+augmentations=H*** yes they can.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 03:51, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
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 And I think flipping the elephant like its your pillow is a gameplay mechanic too it weighs like 12 tons.
-==Stamina==
-How much stamina do they have roughly, while in the armour?[[User talk:Macca-018|Macca-018]] 01:32, 13 November 2010 (EST)
-== Question. ==
-I was hoping some of you guys could help me out with something, I'm working on improving this article using the information provided by Halsey's journal. In the March 9th, 2525 entry Halsey has an illustration of the Skeletal Muscle. She illustrates both the Epimysium, which is a layer of connective tissue which ensheaths the entire muscle — and the Endomysium which is a layer of connective tissue that ensheaths a muscle fiber and is composed mostly from reticular fibers. It also contains capillaries, nerves, and lymphatics.
-She illustrates the Skeletal Muscle, and then shows what it looks like normally and what it looks like augmented, if you look at the illustration she points out where the Epimysium is and then she writes Endomysium with a little dash mark on it, and right next to it is the illustration. I'm not sure if she is trying to illustrate the normal and augmented Endomysium fibers, or she is illustrating the doubling of the Myofibril. In addition if it is the Endomysium, what does doubling the fibers do, improve the strength of the muscle, improve the electrochemical nerve impulses or what?
-What do you guys think? Or have I unknowingly blown some minds... [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 21:24, 21 November 2010 (EST)
-:I would recommend you get in contact with RelentlessRecusant, either [[User:RelentlessRecusant|here]] or on [[halofanon:User:RelentlessRecusant|on Halo Fanon]]. He's at the Genome Institute of Singapore, so he'd be the guy to talk to about this. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:40, 22 November 2010 (EST)
-::Ill do just that thanks I appreciate it very much. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 12:09, 22 November 2010 (EST)
-:::I don't think RR has registered his account in ''halopedian'' yet. I would suggest contacting him on Halo.Wikia if he hasn't respond to your message in HaloFanon.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 12:14, 22 November 2010 (EST)