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==Background==
This needs to be fixed, gender was just speculation:


== S-312's superior ==
SPARTAN-B312 is the main playable character in the upcoming game, ''[[Halo: Reach]]''. To integrate player relation with B312, players can pick what gender they wish Noble Six to be with separately recorded voices for each gender.
Of course, this is purely speculation based upon [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_030510 Bungie Weekly Update 3.05.10]


I was just wondering if someone could clarify something for me. It says that most likely S-B312's superior was Ackerson because Ackerson had requested Tom-B292 to head his special warfare team but that request was denied and Tom went with Lucy to train Gamma. So according to speculation Ackerson may have received S-312 instead. However, isn't this highly unlikely due to the fact that Ackerson thought the only Beta company survivors were Lucy and Tom because he had been kept in the dark about Spartan-IIIs being pulled from Alpha and Beta and given MJOLNIR? So he couldn't have been given S-312 because he didn't even know S-312 existed right? Or did he just think he had been previously assigned to a non-combat role like it said in the Mendez-Ambrose transmission? Oh and by the way one other question when it talks about "cat 2s" in the transcript does that mean Spartan-IIIs with Spartan-II genetic standards? --[[User talk:Ace of Spades|Ace of Spades]]
<br />''"This next week, Lee Wilson joins us as we record all the mission and combat dialog for the main story Spartan ''characters and our male/female Noble Six voices."<br />
—Urk


:I agree. It does appear that Ackerson was unaware that Kurt was pulling a select few candidates out and shifting them to Mjolnir-wearing units.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 23:40, 10 July 2013 (EDT)


== <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=SPARTAN-B312&diff=1043916&oldid=1043552 This edit...]</span> ==
It should also be noted that there is no intimation as to when or how often a player may change his/her gender.


... needs to be revised on two counts. Firstly, the introduction as well as the opening quote needs to be reverted to its previous revision. The current quote would fit nicely in the "Death" section whereas the previous section fits nicely with his overall personality (or what's left of it to the player's imagination). The introduction should be the most condensed paragraph about the subject and its job should be to introduce the subject to readers. There is no need of an overview/summary of his biography/characterisation in the introduction.


Secondly, this image needs to be altered: Noble Six should be in his default configuration. We've already discussed about this years ago. On the subject of "what we've agreed years ago", it should be noted that we've also agreed that his birth date provided in GameInformer is [[Talk:SPARTAN-B312/Archive_1#Date_of_Birth|likely to be an error made by the editor]].


Oh, congrats Tuckers on becoming an administrator. All those red buttons!! — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:35, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
In that new interview with Aisha Tyler, she says she did alot of deathscreams.. possibly another intimation of gender change? I feel this is good proof for multiplayer, but it doesn't nessecarily mean anything for campaggin.


:I've been warned not to press any of those shiny big red buttons...


:I could cut most of the opening summary. The recap may be unnecessary, though I was trying to incorporate something similar to what [[John-117]] has on his article intro. I think the first few sentences comparing Six to John should be kept, though. Something to explain how this character is important.


:The image I got from YouTube, because it was the highest quality one I could find, and the configuration didn't look THAT different to me. Guess it is. I lack a screen capture device, though, so unless someone with one of those is willing to take pics of Six in default armor during the cutscenes, I will have to hunt around on YouTube for some video with default. Also, did not know that about the birth date. I will cut that out. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 11:01, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
He's a male. Per canon. Just like with other games like ''Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic I/II'', while the player may be able to choose his/her gender, there IS an official "canon gender" that is used. Per S-312 (Noble 6)'s Personnel Profile, he is a male.


::Well, maybe compress it again instead of deleting it if you feel it is necessary? John-117 is one exceptional, [[Halo:_Reach_ViDoc:_A_Spartan_Will_Rise|hyper-lethal]] article; cramming everything from the novels to games to miscellaneous media in that introduction. Not even Six can beat 117.
Source: http://www.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=24530 [[User talk:Checkmate11B|E-5 (Sergeant), 1-7 CAV, U.S. Army (IRR)]] 04:30, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
::As for video on Six arriving, might I suggest downloading them from HBO? You can get the links from [[Cutscene]] (check the end of the page).
::Also, do you have the access launch code to [[Wikipedia:Special:Nuke|Special:Nuke]]? <!-- NB: Halopedia had it. Guess Porple kept the codes to himself :P --> — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:11, 15 July 2013 (EDT)


:HBO's ''Reach'' cutscenes have Six in brown armor, not black, unless they've been changed recently. I'll probably end up rewriting that summary and compressing it, while expanding down below. I intend to revamp this page a bit.
Actually in KOTOR 2 you are canonically female--[[Image:Legendary.jpg|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Orange">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>[[Image:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 20:11, 3 November 2010 (EDT)


:Nuking? Not that I can tell. Can't seem to find it on the Special Pages list. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 11:18, 15 July 2013 (EDT)


::Seems like the canon colour for Six's armour would be black after looking through B.net. So, guess HBO is out.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:57, 19 July 2013 (EDT)


:::I think the best way to make Noble Six in Reach is the following:
That Settles it Noble 6 is a Male, Because its Stated here http://www.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=24530 and The version Bungie uses for Advertisements is Male.
Helmet = '''Mark V[B] Default''' (early promo material had the extra plate on top, but later was just default including one of the last action figures made)<br />


Left Shoulder = '''Default'''<br />
Think of it as the Mass Effect Senario, You can chose the Gender of your Shepard, but the Canon version is the Male, because thats the one Made by the Studio, and is the one in all of the Advertisements


Right Shoulder = '''Default'''<br />
== spartan tags ==


Chest = '''Default'''<br />
i think we should remove the company tags from the spartans of noble because, even tho they are spartan IIIs, they do not belong to a company, 312 and kat were taken out of beta company, therefore they do not warrant company tags. as with carter, emile and jun they were from alpha company, which no longer exists, they are now noble team. besides, since the fact that they are spartans IIIs is no longer a debated fact and has been confirmed by multiple sources, bungie would come righ out with it and put spartan tags on their pages, right. so i vote we remove the company tags cuz there have been no sources that give company tags. befere i make the change, you can vote, i will decide to make the edit at the end of march if the majority of the people support it [[User talk:Ghost mactavish|Ghost mactavish]] 05:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
:I find myself agreeing with this. So far, there's been no official source that refers to the Noble team Spartans with company tags. Whatever the reasons for this are, for me at least it seems pretty clear they don't have them. Not anymore at least. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 13:03, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


Wrist = '''Default''' (although he looks at his wrist after the ''Long Night of Solace'' crashes on the mountain, so something should be there)<br />
::Beta company ceased to exist, but Tom and Lucy kept their tags.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 13:08, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


Utility = '''Default''' (as in none)<br />
:::So they did. But I don't think they're relevant in the discussion of the members of NOBLE still having their tags. For the first thing, Noble Team is a team of elite operatives, almost entirely separate from the rest of the Spartans. Second, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If the Spartans of Noble Team still had their company tags, why doesn't any, and I mean any, official source make a single mention of them? Not even the official B.net "personnel reports" that seem to contain every other bit of information about them. I've never questioned that whether they originally belonged to those companies, nor if they originally had their company tags. I'm only drawing conclusions from everything we've seen so far. I just like sticking to official material, that's all. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 13:24, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


Visor = '''Default''' (It's not gold because Carter's is gold and there's a distinct difference in shade)<br />
::::I respect your opinion. I believe that BUNGIE decided not to use the company tags because it would be too confusing to the gamer. Soren-66 wasn't a SPARTAN-II, but he trained with them, so he deserves a tag.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 13:29, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


Knee Guards = '''FJ/Para''' (in all iterations but last colored figure..the clear figure still had FJ/Para)<br />
{{Quote|Not even the official B.net "personnel reports" that seem to contain every other bit of information about them.|Jugus}}
:::::I remember back then (January? before it was announced the squad to be composed of S-II and S-IIIs) that Bungie wanted to keep the identity of Noble Team a secret. If  they supplied the company tags, it would ruin the whole fun and mystery.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:34, March 7, 2010 (UTC)                                                                                                                                                             
::::::ya but its not a mystery or a secret anymore, is it. its completely confirmed canon[[User talk:Ghost mactavish|Ghost mactavish]] 05:15, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


Primary Color = '''Steel'''<br />
:::::::You're completely missing the point, she meant that if Bungie gave away the company tags before the revelation that they were S-IIIs, then that would ruin the revelation. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 07:04, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


Secondary Color = '''Silver'''<br />
i understand that perfecctly, but the fact is that it is widely known information that these spartans are third generation, its after that revelation,and still no sourceeven makes a mention of company tags
- [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 18:26, 19 July 2013 (EDT)


:That all makes sense. But the real issue is finding either a cutscene video on the web that uses that default scheme, or finding someone with the ability to take pictures from their TV. Any volunteers? [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 19:34, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
PS. i tried to make the edit but ascention blocked me--[[User talk:Ghost mactavish|Ghost mactavish]] 01:26, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


::I already have about 22 shots. Some have the different knees and gold visor. Most are good poses. How many should I add? - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:58, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
== Navy vs Army? ==


Let's see... how about (''Noble Actual'') Six being assessed by Noble Team, & leaving the building with Carter, (''Winter Contingency'') a Campaign shot of Six fighting with Noble Team, (''ONI: Sword Base'') Six with Jorge during the "I aim to please line" or "Been all hers half me life", (''Nightfall'') Six with Jun being handed ammo, (''Tip of the Spear'') Kat and Six in the Warthog while their trooper fires, (''Long Night of Solace'') a lone shot of Six in the Sabre cockpit when the ship reaches orbit or when Holland is talking to them, & them falling out of the Corvette, (''Exodus'') Six sneaking into New Alexandria, (''New Alexandria'') Six looking over the city in the Pelican, & when Kat is killed, (''The Package'') Six with the ODSTs, & with Noble Team in Halsey's lab, (''Pillar of Autumn'') Theater shot of Six firing the Onager, (''Lone Wolf'') Six fighting off the Elites when wounded.
The page says that Noble Six is affiliated with the UNSC Navy, however, S-IIIs are Army, and I thought that Noble Team was also confirmed Army by the NOBLE Team Performance Report?


This is deliberately too many pictures, but I'm listing them all to keep my options open. Upload ones like these, perhaps put them in a gallery on your userpage, and I can look them over and see which ones should be included. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:51, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
:Possible oversight by the devs maybe?[[User talk:Someguy789|Someguy789]] 00:15, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


:Also, [[User:Halo 343|Halo 343]] preferred that the pictures be alternatingly male and female. That might be too much to ask for with all of them, but feel free to have the pictures be either gender. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 22:51, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
::The Spartans of Noble team (along with all Spartans) are orginally affiliated with the Navy. In the case of Noble Team, they work closer with the army, but are still Naval personel. Just look at their ranks, if you are unsure. Nowhere but the Navy does there exist a Commander Rank.


:: I'll try and figure out what my userpage is (still new to wiki stuff) and I'll upload some of the better ones. I think I already have some from your list. I would like to ask what should be represented in the Noble Six's article. Since 343i (and Bungie before them) only considers Noble Six to be male from a canonical standpoint within the fiction and that female Six is only a gameplay option for players, is it appropriate to have female Six pics in the character article of only on a Halo Reach Video Game type of page that includes info like Theater and Forge? - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 22:59, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
:::The S-IIIs have numerous contradictions. Gamma Company's SPARTANs were all Privates, for instance.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 21:41, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


:Figured it out faster than I thought. Pics up for your review/inclusion on my UserWiki:ScaleMaster117]]. - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 23:34, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
::::It's originally an ONI-funded and controlled project, so the actual Spartans have a connection to the Navy. Many officers in charge were from other branches though. Possibly after the initial generations, more and more control was given to the Army that originally kickstarted the project. Perhaps Beta Company was the first to use Army ranks thanks to a withdrawl of ONI's presence in the program. Nobel Team may be an anomaly for now.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 11:56, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
::::They may simply be considered affiliated with both, but during Reach they are under the command of the Army. [[User talk:Sierra 003|Sierra 003]] 22:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks! I review them all. But I don't understand your question. What do you mean by "a Halo Reach Video Game type of page"? [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:27, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
== B312? ==


:Sorry, that was a bit messed up...it was late. :P What I meant was, should any reference to a female Noble Six even be in the Noble Six fictional character article (since Six is fictionally male according to 343i)? I would think the reference to a gameplay option to play Six as a female would be relegated to a Halopedia article about the Halo: Reach video game itself where it would mention other game options like Forge or Theater Mode. I'm uncertain why a female Six would be represented in the fictional article. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 14:33, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
I was just looking around on bungie.net and it said that this spartan III is S312 not B312. [[User talk:CFV-88|CFV-88]] 22:27, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


Do we have any source that states Six is canonically male? Not merely referring to Six as "he" or "him", since that can be done with gender-neutral characters, but actually listing their gender as male? The assumption here had been that Six has no canon gender, and therefore could be represented either way in their biography. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:52, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
That's because he is from beta company of the spartan III's. The "s" stands for spartan. [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|FatalSnipe117]] 01:28, March 11, 2010 (UTC)


:All I can say is I learned this during discussions with 343i in the production of the ''Halo: The Essential Visual Guide'' and that knowledge was used in my review passes to ensure that the pronoun "she" didn't end up in any of the text referring to Noble Six. "He" is used a couple of times in that entry you'll note. If 343i uses Noble Six in any future endeavors fictionally, B312 will not be female. - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 15:14, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
== Birthdays ==


Ah. In that case, I'd much rather prefer continuing to show both genders in the images, but I shall add a note pointing out that Six was specified as male in the writing of the Visual Guide. To balance out both options. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 15:42, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
Three members, B312 included, from Noble Team all have the same birthdays? Highly unlikely. Isn't it more likely that ONI falsified the birthdays? <span style="background:#ADA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]]&nbsp;[[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 22:29, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
:Probably, but we have no evidence of that. -- [[User talk:Lord Hyren|Lord Hyren]] 05:44, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


::You also should revert the height and weight, as Bungie stated there is no canon form of Noble Six. --[[User:DC Ambrose|DC Ambrose]] ([[User talk:DC Ambrose|talk]]) 19:55, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
== Are you sure he isn't S-II?        ==


== I say ==
''S-293’s 1156 has been filed since 22/04/2552, every active duty Spartan-II is on XXX for special training, and it seems that XXX wasn’t able to keep his own private grim reaper out of the pool—only time will tell if this luck is of the good or bad variety.''


Remove height and weight all together. It doesn't make sense for two reasons:
Taken from his details on Bungie.net Reach project page... don't want to start an argument again, but I figured I'd mention this? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 03:13, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
# Noble Six can be either gender, while this mass assessment makes sense for He-Six it does not fit for She-Six because,
# She-Six is exactly the same size as Kat, who is 6'08 and weighs 220. Oh, and . . .
# Bungie said there is no canon form of Noble Six.


Yes, I know I said 2, but the more the merrier.
I Think we have gotten past that you (the player) will play as Spartan-B312, a Spartan '''''III''''' Comando, the only Spartan II on Noble Team is Jorge..... [[Special:Contributions/76.211.2.221|76.211.2.221]] 14:47, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


:I don't recall anyone from Bungie ''ever'' saying that. Even if they did, their intentions don't matter if 343 Industries wants to take a different approach. If you want to hear straight from the man who provided figures for the ''EVG'', talk to [[User:ScaleMaster117|Stephen Loftus]]. He'll tell you that both Bungie and 343i consider Noble Six to be canonically male, as mentioned in the above section; the ability to play as a female Spartan is a gameplay mechanic. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 20:34, 25 September 2013 (EDT)


::No. There is no 'canon' Noble Six. Period. --[[User:DC Ambrose|DC Ambrose]] ([[User talk:DC Ambrose|talk]]) 20:52, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
I always thought that was just talking about Reach and Kurt the spartan II who trained the threes.[[User talk:Someguy789|Someguy789]] 16:09, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


:::Kindly provide a source to back up your statement. Until then, cease edit warring. [[User:Auguststorm1945|Auguststorm1945]] ([[User talk:Auguststorm1945|talk]]) 21:03, 25 September 2013 (EDT)


::DC, there is a difference between gameplay mechanics and non-canon. In ''Halo 3'', when and where the Arbiter appears depends on whether you're playing solo or cooperative campaign, but neither would be canonically incorrect. Conversely, in ''Halo: Combat Evolved'', there are clearly two Spartans visible in cooperative play, and yet you wouldn't say that there were two Spartans present on Alpha Halo. But in ''Halo: Reach'', the fact that Noble Six's role to the plot is actually the pivotal point of the campaign, then you can't say that he/she is non-canon. Because if you're going to confuse gameplay mechanics and non-canon, then you could very well say that no one actually delivered Cortana to Captain Keyes at the end of ''Halo: Reach'', therefore the events of all games that came after (chronologically) did not happen. Which, of course, is ridiculous. Sona 21:09, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
==LOL==
Has anyone else noticed that in the article it talk about Noble 6's previous superior saying that her gender is unknown then pulls out some quote calling it a he. I thought this was funny cause the sentenses are literally next to each other.


::::You've both misinterpreted my meaning in that there is no canon Noble Six. There's no canon ''identity'' '''of''' Noble Six. It is whatever the player presents him or her as. Noble Six is you in other words. --[[User:DC Ambrose|DC Ambrose]] ([[User talk:DC Ambrose|talk]]) 21:36, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
{{Quote|Additionally, S-B312 seems to have been assigned to Noble Team despite the wishes of his/her former superior who is said to have used S-B312 as "his own private grim reaper".|The quote in question?}}
If that is the case, you misread. B312 is either a male or female depending on player choice, but his/her former superior was a male, probably Ackerson. [[User talk:Spartan 112|112]] 01:35, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


DC, you need to provide a source for your claim that "Bungie said there is no canon form of Noble Six." Until you can provide that, the Essential Visual Guide is our best source, and to be taken as correct. I have to ask though, what is your the alternative to having Six have an identity, either male or female, '''in-universe'''? That Spartan-B312 is intersex, and has both genders or no gender? That Noble-Six is a gender-neutral robot? Yes, in-game Six can be either gender, but campaign gameplay can be non-canon. You can take vacations and skip areas that canonically, the Master Chief had to fight through. Hell, the Master Chief can die... repeatedly. Just because something can happen in-game doesn't mean it's canon.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 22:05, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
: That would actually be really awesome if Ackerson had an in-game role. And it makes damn good sense that that would be the way Ackerson would use use Noble-Six. [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 22:29, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


:DC, [[Stephen Loftus]] himself has confirmed (on this very page) that Noble Six is canonically male.
== Birthday ==


:''"... 343i (and Bungie before them) only considers Noble Six to be male from a canonical standpoint within the fiction... female Six is only a gameplay option for players."''
New Waypoint intel is out on Noble Team, with individual bios on each member. I believe they are all identical to the Game Informer bios, with the exception of Noble Six, who's birthdate is redacted like the rest of his information. I think it's safe to say that Game Informer just slipped and gave N6 kat's birthday too. I've gone ahead and changed the article. If there's some reason it should be changed back that I'm unaware of, feel free to do so of course. -[[User talk:Proconix|Proconix]] 13:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)Proconix


:''"... Six is fictionally male according to 343i."''
== Death ==


:''"If 343i uses Noble Six in any future endeavors fictionally, B312 will not be female."''
Does anyone else believe that He/She's Gonna survive Reach or die? I myself Believe he/she, along with his/her team, Are gonna die, But What does anyone else think? [[Special:Contributions/76.244.151.225|76.244.151.225]] 19:59, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


:He is not only our closest link to (and a frequent collaborator with) 343 Industries, but he is also one of the most esteemed members of the entire ''Halo'' community. Again, if you want to hear straight from the source, [[User Talk:ScaleMaster117|ask him about it]]. The point stands that Six is male, 6' 9" tall, and weighs 239 pounds. Regardless, you have been warned time and again about making these nonconstructive edits. Making a well-reasoned argument on the talk page is just fine, but shameless edit warring is not tolerated. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 23:36, 25 September 2013 (EDT)
: No...spartans never die, their just missing in action, sry couldn't resist


::[[http://halo.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personnel&cid=24527|On the contrary.]] --[[Special:Contributions/151.141.113.192|151.141.113.192]] 00:26, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
::The sir above who didn't press the signature button, I salute you for awesome timing! But, still, Reach was annihilated, the Pillar of Autumn is the only human vessel that managed to escape we know so far, but since Bungie retconned, I dunno. It would be a different ending to a Halo game, seeing a planet glassed while actually on it. Though it will leave a sour note, Halo: Reach being the last Halo made by Bungie, or so they say. Now that I think about it, didn't they confirm it indirectly in a ViDoc or something? It went along the lines of "Even though it's a lost fight, we (Bungie) want to make you feel like you're fighting the good fight." It didn't go exactly as written, but it was similar. Can't wait for 9/14! [[Special:Contributions/80.222.44.24|80.222.44.24]] 16:55, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


:::His gender is classified ''in-universe''. That doesn't prevent 343i from establishing him as male in an out-of-universe reference book. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 00:39, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:::The Autumn WASN'T the only ship to escape. I believe there was an ONI person who escaped, like 7 SPARTANs escaped on a ship, etc. So it is possible they escaped, but they most likely died when the planet was being glassed.Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 19:17, June 22, 2010 (UTC)!!


::::In my personal opinion, it is idiotic to write a wiki from an in-universe perspective while using out-of-universe references. =/ A little hypocritical if you ask me. I'd pick one or the other then stick with it. Would prevent confusion, like edit warring, and the debate going on right now. --[[User:DC Ambrose|DC Ambrose]] ([[User talk:DC Ambrose|talk]]) 01:42, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the additional info. I apologize for the lack of info, perhaps my older post was a bit "know-it-all." But still, two ships and their crew, some soldiers, an ONI spook and a handful of spartans still fall into the category of annihilated, considering Reach was one of the UNSC's main producers of military hardware and ships. Hafta buy the new Halo books, once they become available to me. About the question at hand, yes, that is a good point and once you think about it, it seems unlikely that the entire Noble team will go M.I.A, but we'll just have to wait and see what Bungie's come up! [[Special:Contributions/80.222.44.24|80.222.44.24]] 22:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


:::::You're making it sound like we shouldn't use reference books like the Visual Guide. Not getting the logic from that.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 01:54, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::Correcting the poster above you, nine in ten ships were destroyed during the battle. One tenth of the Reach fleet managed to escape to Earth. That means at least fifteen warships - I don't know how many passenger liners, freighters, private vessels etc. would have escaped, but its a pitiful amount of military vessels. The Spartans who escaped Reach that he was talking about were rescued by a time travelling Master Chief in a Covenant ship, and are now either dead or on Onyx - the rest of the "regular" Spartans died on Reach. That probably doesn't count Noble Team, since they weren't on any official Spartan rosters or tallies. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 10:43, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


:::::Your (or anyone's) personal opinion is not what should be reflected in the article. An article should present every bit of information that has been released by official parties of the franchise, be it contradictory or not. It is our task to inspect, criticise and construe these information critically by noting them using section(s), reference notes, etc. Our responsibilities as editors are simply just that, editors. We can only present what is canon and what is not through the availability of official sources, and not through fan theories, headcanon, or personal opinion. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  06:56, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
== Noble 6 ==
Noble 6 should redirect here. Can someone do it for me?--[[Special:Contributions/70.71.240.170|70.71.240.170]] 11:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


:::DC Ambrose, I answered your query to me in your message board, but for the benefit of folks here, I'll reiterate some of what I said. The Bungie link above is one of the oldest pieces of information on Noble Team. It has been expanded upon since even the game shipped (and mostly by 343i now). When reviewing the Visual Guide, 343i's stance was that Six was fictionally male. The height and weight in the Guide was deliberate, as was the masculine pronoun use in his entry. I'm not sure his gender is "classified in-universe" though. Since he's considered male in the fiction, any interaction he'd had with troopers, civilians, and Noble Team would not throw his gender into doubt because of his build, voice, etc. What I think would be fine to mention in an article (perhaps one on Halo: Reach, the game, is to mention that a gameplay choice was for players to be able to choose the gender for Six when they played the game. That should be distinct from how he's viewed fictionally. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:44, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:Done.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 15:30, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


::::Done. The in-universe parts of the article have been changed refer to Six as male, while all references to the female incarnation have been moved to the production notes and trivia section. As far as his gender being "classified in-universe", I was referring to the NOBLE Team performance reports listing the Spartan's gender as "redacted". However, like you said those reports are ''really'' old; retconning such a minor piece of them is hardly out of the question. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 09:36, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
== 6's Silence ==


The article still says that Noble 6 never talks but I was under the impression that he/she did speak, and I think it was confirmed in weekly update [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_061810 6/18/2010] where they also confirmed Firefight 2.0. Not sure if I'm right, otherwise I'd go and change it. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 16:36, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


''"In my personal opinion, it is idiotic to write a wiki from an in-universe perspective while using out-of-universe references. =/ A little hypocritical if you ask me. I'd pick one or the other then stick with it. Would prevent confusion, like edit warring, and the debate going on right now."''
:It is confirmed that Noble Six will be speaking in the cutsecenes. But I'm not sure if he/she (depending on the player's choice) will talk in Firefight 2.0 --[[File:Invincibilityhud.svg|20px]] [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 16:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


That's why the in-universe and real-world parts of the article are listed separately. I suggest you take a look at the current revision. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:39, 26 September 2013 (EDT)
:WHERE Did It confirm Noble Six will speak? I am highly SURE that he WILL '''NOT '''be speaking (Bungie wants YOU To be Noble Six, you can't assurt yourself as him If he speaks) [[Special:Contributions/69.221.168.182|69.221.168.182]] 03:26, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
:Noble 6 is a Firefight voice. Its pretty hard to be a voice but still not speak :) [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]]
:As a Firefight Voice? Mostly grunts from Pain and jumps [[Special:Contributions/99.51.93.24|99.51.93.24]] 20:59, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
::He's right. Simply having a "voice-actor" does not mean you speak. It just means someone was hired to add sounds to the character. The Rookie had a voice actor, yet he never spoke. Nothing states he will or will not speak in Halo: Reach, however. [[User talk:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 06:12, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah but the effort of mentioning both male and female voice actors warrants more than grunts and pain sounds, don't you think? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 03:31, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
::::Nothing more than speculation. Sure, it could be interpreted as such. But it could have also been done to appease to anyone who wanted to know if Noble Six was going to be exclusively a guy in campaign. Nothing can be said otherwise until confirmation. [[User talk:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 19:17, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
::::
::::Well [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfME5KwKLfg here] is confirmation that 6 does in fact speak.  Obviously don't watch if you don't want any spoilers.  [[User talk:Jacktheinfinite101|Jacktheinfinite101]] 21:49, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


== Never witnessed a glassing ==
:::::Noble Six speaks openly, read the article. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:11, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


Shouldn't the part about never witnessing a glassing be in the Trivia section, as Kat never gave Six a chance to answer? [[User:Tyler-B312|Tyler-B312]] ([[User talk:Tyler-B312|talk]]) 10:33, 6 September 2015 (EDT)
== Canon armour ==


:Six nodded and Kat responded: "Me too." [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 15:31, 6 September 2015 (EDT)
Due to the customisation of B312's armour, all images if this SPARTAN will be different. In the Beta, Mark V[B] came as the only armour available at the beginning - leaving the others to be unlocked later. This system will likely be the same in the release version. If so, we may have to keep images consistant with this, and take images of (for example) B312 in Recon as non-canon and to be removed from the biographical section and infobox (though allowed in the gallery). -- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 18:08, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
::His head wasn't on screen, all you could see at the time was an elbow. [[User:Tyler-B312|Tyler-B312]] ([[User talk:Tyler-B312|talk]]) 18:29, 7 September 2015 (EDT)


:He still probably nodded offscreen. If the line hadn't been truthful, Kat would've responded with something like: "It's mine" instead or "Me too". [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 21:09, 7 September 2015 (EDT)
:I'd say we should allow pics of B312 in default armor only, even in the gallery. That is, no images of B312 in custom armor allowed at all. Mainly for the sake of consistency, but also because Bungie has used the default armor in most of their official screenshots and thus, it's the most "canon" one we can have. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 18:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
::Said by someone who apparently has a reputation for not paying attention to things around her, who is also in the middle of a glassing at the time. With his lack of a reply, there's no proof she was accurate or mistaken (he was shuffling around before, during and a bit after the question). [[User:Tyler-B312|Tyler-B312]] ([[User talk:Tyler-B312|talk]]) 12:54, 9 September 2015 (EDT)


Good chance he concurred if she responded with "Me too" [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] ([[User talk:Alertfiend|talk]]) 21:28, 7 September 2015 (EDT)
:Agreed - the only non-default I can find was when Bungie was howing us that customisation wa acknowledged in cinematics.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 19:33, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
:Equal chance miss 'situational awareness' wasn't paying attention and assumed he nodded (see aforementioned shuffling). [[User:Tyler-B312|Tyler-B312]] ([[User talk:Tyler-B312|talk]]) 12:54, 9 September 2015 (EDT)


Invoking [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor], the simplest answer is "Six concurred so Kat said 'Me too'", not "Kat completely ignored Six and so her line about Six was basically with no context or good reason for including it and forces the listener to ignore her when she could've just said something different". Therefore, we go with the former. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:03, 9 September 2015 (EDT)
::I agree, though we should allow both male and female variations on the page, as long as they retain the default armor. I would not like Halopedia to fall into gender favoritism or stereotyping. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


== Noble Six is whatever gender you played as ==
So, just to make sure it's clear for everyone who's going to ask about this later, that means that, for the sake of this article, Noble 6 is all default armour in black, but can be male or female. That sound right? [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:20, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


Apologies if I format this incorrectly, I am not a wiki editor. It amuses me to no end that Halopedia refuses to correct the misinformation that Noble Six is male. Former Bungie employees and Reach developers including myself [[Christian Allen]], [[Marcus Lehto]], [[Jaime Griesemer]], [[Vic DeLeon]], [[Isaac Hannaford]], and current 343i Community Writer [[Alex Wakeford]] all agreed that Noble Six's gender is not canonically set, and the [[Halo Encyclopedia (2022)]] specifically and purposely does not state Six's gender.  Noble Six is whatever gender you played Noble Six as. -Christian Allen
:Yeah. Gender doesn't appear to have a default setting. The colour is definitely black, yes. Pink-Flaming Recon with a flower design on the shoulder pad would just look terrible as an infobox image. Furthermore, you can also make yourself look exactly like one of your fellow Noble team members - two Jorges in a gallery picture would just be confusing.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


https://twitter.com/Serellan/status/1624115311057465345?s=20
Funny you said Jorge, cause he's the only one you can't be, I guess you could make a mini Jorge though ;) [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 08:43, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/Serellan/status/1623869777252093953?s=20
https://twitter.com/Isaac_Hannaford/status/1624294040610164737?s=20
https://twitter.com/haruspis/status/1624175374404911105?s=20


:Speaking for the [[Halopedia]] staff here. We appreciate that you have reached out, and we ultimately agree that it ''appears'' 343 Industries' current stance is likely that Noble Six's gender is not canonically set. However, this has not been officially stated and we cannot ignore official canon in which Noble Six is directly stated to be male. We do not believe that sources in which Noble Six's gender is omitted supersede the authority of the sources in which Noble Six's gender is explicitly identified. Simply put, we do not believe that an omission is the same as a retcon. For reference, our canon policy can be found [https://www.halopedia.org/Halopedia:Canon_policy here].
:Actually you can't be Kat either because of her arm--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.88.32|210.56.88.32]] 04:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, you can. Her prosthetic arm is an armor permutation. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 04:09, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
:::Seriously? That's awesome. Can it be either arm? Or both? Or just the side hers is on?--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.88.150|210.56.88.150]] 05:48, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
::::You can? Cool, it'd assume you would pick it like shoulders, that would make the most sense. Where is it that we were shown or told you can though? [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
:::::In the Reach Beta, some players would suddenly have their armor change (either after they die or when they respawned) and they would have armor characteristics that couldn't be unlocked in the Beta. On one of them that I saw, on a legitimate video of the Beta, there was a Spartan who had a prosthetic arm (among other things) on the wrong arm. There wouldn't be a design for the prosthetic limb on the other arm if it wasn't a permutation. Another notable example i can find is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8dPewClTE here]. Its number 1 on the countdown. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 14:40, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


:343 Industries (and official lore created under their watch) has identified Noble Six's gender on several occasions, including those listed below.
I know we just got through agreeing on an armor standard, but should we again consider the HUL helmet attachment that Noble 6 has been consistantly been shown to use? We have almost as many sources ''with'' the attachments than we do without, so this is difficult decision. It's in the VGA trailer (our first look at Nobel 6), and at least part of "The Battle Begins" TV spot. The trivia section on this page (erroneously) says that official material since the VGA has been devoid of this attachment. However, that is simply NOT the case.  
:*Page 130 of ''[[Halo: The Essential Visual Guide]]'' (2011)
:*Page 82 of ''[[Halo: New Blood]]'' (2015)
:*[https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1035311842833260545 This] tweet from the official ''Halo'' Twitter account (2018)
:*[https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1164900347619364865 This] tweet from the official ''Halo'' Twitter account (2019)


:Alex Wakeford's tweet, which you mention, does convince us that 343 Industries has likely revised their stance on Noble Six's gender in recent years, but we don't find it to be quite authoritative enough to override much more definitive lore. Still, an alternative but equally valid way to view Alex's tweet is that they won't say Noble Six's gender going forward, but they also won't necessarily retcon what was said previously.
Recent evidence shows that the official action figure has an equipped HUL and 312 is shown with it in the very recent live-action "Deliver Hope" cinematic as well. These alone are huge hints that we should at least reconsider our previous agreement. The fact that Bungie is still using the attachment in advertising media is enough in itself to warrant a discussion. --[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 15:28, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


:If 343 Industries makes a more authoritative statement on the matter, we'd be excited to change our documentation of Noble Six to reflect this. To this end, we will be reaching out to some of our contacts to see if we can get a definitive public statement. A member of our community has also already prepared an updated draft of Noble Six's article in the event that 343 Industries does make a statement. - [[User:TheArb1ter117|<span style="color:purple;">TheArb1ter117</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:TheArb1ter117|talk]])</span> 22:44, February 16, 2023 (EST)
:That's not B312; that's the previous Noble 6 - Thom. Take note Kat's lack of her distinguished prosphetic arm, and the SPARTAN's orange paint on the back of his torso. This looks like the telling if how Thom died. Would the player character ''really'' die half-way through the battle?-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:02, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


''[[Halo: New Blood]]'' identifies him as male.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 20:16, February 16, 2023 (EST)
::This was also pretty much confirmed by Bungie [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23004964&postcount=5255 here]. He says that it's "their (Bungie's) perspective", which pretty much means it's the perspective we're supposed to take as canon. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 16:18, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


:::Yeah, I just realized this. Sorry for the confusion!--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 20:29, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


The author of Halo: New Blood, Matt Forbeck, has agreed that Jun could have misspoken or have been purposely misdirecting. I will follow up on my end as well, obviously as someone who was on the initial team that designed Six, I am passionate about their canon not being retconned. https://twitter.com/mforbeck/status/1626413254594420736?s=20  -Christian Allen (apologies for messing up any formatting here)
== noble 6 talking cont. ==


:No worries! And that is good to know. We'll be sure to include the quote from Matt Forbeck when we update Noble Six's article. We have reached out to our contacts and are now awaiting a response. We understand the desire to preserve canon! - [[User:TheArb1ter117|<span style="color:purple;">TheArb1ter117</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:TheArb1ter117|talk]])</span> 23:18, February 16, 2023 (EST)
i read the article about the first cutscene for the game and noble six does say like two short lines[[Special:Contributions/68.7.78.20|68.7.78.20]] 14:43, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


::Just to reiterate: We do care about doing this right! We have actually been discussing this behind the scenes as a team for a good while, especially after we saw the discussions on Twitter. We aren't taking this lightly!-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 00:01, February 17, 2023 (EST)
:We know. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 12:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


== "Your file mentioned this." ==
== Class ==


I am not sure if it should be mentioned or not, but if you stare at Carter-A259, he might say "Your file mentioned this."
We've been basing our assumption that 312 is a Beta Company Spartan off of Jorge's comment in the trailer introducing Noble Team, but that line apparently doesn't exist in the final game, and without it we seem to have little other evidence pointing to 312 as a Beta Company Spartan - he certainly seems much younger than Kat. His official dossier doesn't state class, or even age. He may be a Gamma Company Spartan. mY point is that we don't know, and until we do, we should move the article to simply SPARTAN-312 and alter references to the character. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 11:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


I am not someone to comment, but it probably means that SPARTAN-B312 used to stare at people for a long time, which may be disturbing, as other characters get annoyed, even Carter himself. So, should it come in the article? I require advice, so, could you please kindly guide me? [[User:ErikaWilliams|Erika]] ([[User talk:ErikaWilliams|talk]]) 08:08, September 6, 2024 (EDT)
:Actually, we have [http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=personnel&cid=24040 more solid info] to clarify that he/she is indeed from Beta. And even then, if he/she were from Gamma, they would be underage, and would have a lot of problems when portrayed in a video game. As in "over protective parent video game activists campaigning to ban the game" problems. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 11:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


::Ah. I had forgotten about that. Thanks for correcting me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:41, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


I'm in no way a professional, but to me that sounds like something that would go in the trivia section. Make sure to put that it's an in-game line, so it isn't officially canon. But in SPARTAN-B312's defense, maybe Six just gets really lost in thought, or maybe Six is just an odd human. [[User:Spartan Chin|Spartan Chin]] ([[User talk:Spartan Chin|talk]]) 08:48, September 20, 2024 (EDT)
When Dr. Halsey says "Hyper lethal, hmm, only one other SPARTAN with that rating." Is that one other SPARTAN John-117??? --[[User talk:Kluutak|Kluutak]] 21:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
: More than likely it's meant to be an offhand reference to John-117. That line is there for the players, from an In Universe perspective, John isn't really that great of a soldier, he was just a lucky one who got a lot of positive press. --[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 21:15, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


It's not really unique though. With the Chief or ODSTs or Noble-Six if you stare at or shoot or harass allies they say all kinds of strange things...it's an amusing minor addition to the flavor of the game but in my opinion not really worthy of calling out unless you're planning to add that kind of triviality everywhere throughout this wiki. Noble-Six certainly isn't especially singled out in this kind of behavior. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 09:28, September 20, 2024 (EDT)
: John killed thousands of Covenant. I agree that it's a nod to fans, but he is an elite soldier. [[User:Tgor365|<span style="color:red">'''Tgor'''</span>]][[User talk:Tgor365|<span style="color:blue">'''365'''</span>]] 21:24, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
:: No more than any other Spartan. People have it up in their heads that John-117, as he's the protagonist of the first 3 Halo games, that he's super awesome and the best there ever was. He isn't. He's good, yeah, but he's not the best. --[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 21:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
:::His luck and awareness kept him going. He did the most. He survived the most. He killed the most. He saved humanity. Maybe he had no more athleticism than the rest, but he accomplished more on the battlefield than any other human, and that makes him the best soldier ever. [[User:Tgor365|<span style="color:red">'''Tgor'''</span>]][[User talk:Tgor365|<span style="color:blue">'''365'''</span>]] 21:39, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually it didn't really have to do with luck. He was a superb tactician and intelligent fighter. I personally say Admiral Preston Cole was a bigger hero, he has the highest confirmed killcount than anyone alive. Master Chief destroyed the Ark and slowed the Flood Infection. It was actually the Arbiter who stopped Truth from firing the rings. Master Chief's biggest achievement in his career I would have to say is the assassination of the Prophet of Regret during the Battle of Installation 05. I'd have to say that "one other spartan" was probably Kurt, since he always beat John-117. --[[User talk:Kluutak|Kluutak]] 10:33, 6 December 2010 (EST)


That makes sense. Thanks ScaleMaster117! [[User:Spartan Chin|Spartan Chin]] ([[User talk:Spartan Chin|talk]]) 12:19, September 20, 2024 (EDT)
== Date of Death  ==
Noble 6 dies on the 30th of August 2552 after fighting off wave after wave of elites. Someone should put it down.
[[User talk:REach Out|REach Out]] 07:57, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
 
== FJ/PARA ==
This is not really a "I think canon is" issue, but has anyone else noticed that in all the non in-game media about 312, even current stuff, he is wearing FJ/PARA knees? The action-figurey one by McFarlane, the xbox avatar Noble 6 suit, and a whole bunch of pictures and wallpapers of him - including at least one by Bungie - , they're always FJ/PARA. That and every other member of Noble wears them too, except Jorge, cause he's huge and a S-II, and Kat, cause she's female. That's not meant to be sexist or anything, but the default ones do make her more female. It seems like standard (male at least) S-III knees are meant to FJ/PARA. And before anyone says anything, yes, I know S-312 is whatever you want him to be, no matter how nonsensical it may be, that's what canon is, just thought this was interesting. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:14, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
 
== Birthdate ==
I know we don't know it, but since we know he's Beta Company can't we figure out he's between something and something? Early 20s I think, as Kat's 22... [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:40, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

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