Editing Talk:Ripa 'Moramee

== The Covenant is at its Most Evil ==

Graeme Devine and all Halo Wars franchising have claimed that the game features the Covenant at their most "evil" point. The new Arbiter seems to exemplify this. Zealot's comment: "But what if the Infection defiles the Relic?" Arbiter's response: "I care not for your little life! Open the Relic." He would rather risk his soldiers' lives (to the Flood!) than displease the Hierarchs (they might have him killed.) He also looks and sounds like quite a bloodthirsty alien savage (with emphesyma.) --[[User:Braidenvl|Braidenvl]] 21:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think they are trying to get across the idea that the Arbiter of Halo Wars is much more brutal the the Halo 2-Halo 3 Arbiter, and that his fighting style fits more in line with the normal thought of an Elite, looking only for honor and glory. [[User:D1134|D1134]] 02:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Nah, he's more "intense" than most other Elites when it comes to that. Most of them show at least some regard for their fellow Elites' lives. He appears to show none whatsoever. <span style="color:#666666">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 05:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== "The Infection" ==
So, Harvest was home to a Flood containment facility. Hmm. I'm actually not offended; we've known that Harvest features large, hidden Forerunner structures, and Ensemble obviously wants to incorporate all four main factions. Note that the "Relic" and the surrounding area greatly resemble their counterparts in the announcement trailer. As a side note, Five Long Years and Field Trip to Harvest seem to indicate that, after Harvest was retaken, even more vicious fighting began. Apparently, the Flood was released after Harvest was retaken. --[[User:Braidenvl|Braidenvl]] 21:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:Just wondering, Fall of Reach along with First Strike never mentioned a Flood Outbreak in Harvest. So, how would Ensemble justify this?[[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt></font>]][[halofanon:Category:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>_</tt></font>]][[User:Subtank|<font color="#0090FF"><tt>Missy</tt></font>]] - File:Cortana Gif.gif|24px]] 20:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:They justified quite a few previously uncanon idea. The number of Spartans concentrated on Harvest for one, and how the UNSC supposedly had no contact with Elites or Brutes until 2552 on Reach. [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color: #000000; font-family: Stencil; font-size: 12pt;">Rec</span>]]UoH/Command Staff|<span style="color: #082567; font-family: Stencil; font-size: 12pt;">lai</span>]][[Halopedia:Ancients of Halopedia/Member List|<span style="color: #0000B8; font-family: Stencil; font-size: 12pt;">mer</span>]] [[UserWiki:Simon_rjh|<span style="color: #0000FF; font-family: Stencil; font-size: 12pt;">simon</span>]] [[User talk:Simon rjh|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-family: Stencil; font-size: 12pt;">r</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Simon_rjh|<span style="color: #008000; font-family: Stencil; font-size: 12pt;">j</span>]]<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=simon%20rjh <span style="color: #000000; font-family: Stencil; font-size: 12pt;">h</span>]</span> 21:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

**** After playing the game, you will discover that you travel other planets, and the flood are discovered on an unknown shield world, not Harvest. (Correct me if I'm wrong). [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 10:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC) ****

::We know now that the UNSC will encounter the Flood. But nobody knows whether the forces that do so will live to tell of it. If they do, will they be believed by their superior officers? A xenocidal alien parasite hiding in ancient ruins wouldn't be the most believable idea. And if they ARE believed, who's to say its not just a top military secret? If the general population found out about the Flood, as well as the Covenant, I can imagine a great deal of "the end days are coming!" going on. It makes sense ONI would bury the information in beurocratic tape just to save trouble - it's [[Menachite Mountain|not the first time]] it's happened. -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 22:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Dead on, 'Morhek! The ONI kept up the belief that humanity was on even footing with the Covenant even up to the 1st Battle of Earth. The artifact at CASTLE Base was a well-kept secret (not to mention the fact that the S-IIs never saw BR55s until they were holed up there.) So, if Ensemble finds a way to make the loss of knowledge about the Flood's existence believable - which will probably involve Joe Staten's supervision - I'm in. One problem, though: I've heard some speculation that the Zealot accompanying the new Arbiter was referring to the human presence rather than everyone's favorite parasite. I doubt this, but if it's true - what a cruel, sick tease, Ensemble! --[[User:Braidenvl|Braidenvl]] 22:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, at least two of the three Spartans at Harvest should technically survive, as by the time of the Battle of Reach, only three S-IIs were truly KIA. Sam bit it at Chi Ceti IV, I believe Dr. Halsey saw Randall die, and one more may or may not have yet been mentioned. This raises one question: how was their knowledge of the Flood treated? Let's not get to conjectural, and please, take it to the Flood, SPARTAN-II, or Halo Wars pages, as we're only  ~70 percent sure the Flood will be in the game (though I hope for the best.) Furthermore, could the as-yet-not-officially-named-outside-of-the-announcement-trailer Spartan Group Omega be Gray Team in its earlier years? Hmm. --[[User:Braidenvl|Braidenvl]] 23:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The flood are in the game, but not playable. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 10:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

This could be one of the books technical lies,like making Elites seem to appear at the Battle of Reach for the first time,bunch of crap as we see ELITES in Halo Wars.So ya technically the Spartans may turn out to be the only survivors with maybe nothing more than some footage to give the UNSC of the Flood.So ya anything is possible.And for the height thing this arby is either really tall or that zeolot is really a grunt.[[User:Sith Venator|Sith Venator]] 02:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Height ==
This particular Arbiter appears to tower over the Zealot under his command. Perhaps his height should be changed from that which is listed. Perhaps >8'6"would be more appropriate. Elites taller than the average are not unknown, Xytan 'Jar Wattinree is known for being a giant of his kind. Then again, upon inspection of the position of the joints of his legs it may just be that he is standing on higher ground. [[User:A Monument to All Your Sins|A Monument to All Your Sins]] 21:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

In the gallery of Halo Wars:limited edition, we can see the real height of this Arbiter in the Character information card. His height is 8'1"... I think this is a mistake -[[User:Jadeitor|Jadeitor]] 10:53, 8 November 2008.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/3/3f/Vlcsnap-126257.png
No way, he towers over these Honor Guards.  And Regret in his throne.  In Halo 2 when the Arbiter stood next too Truth in his throne he was a bit shorter.  I'd put him @ 9-10 ft, maybe 11.

If you look at the picture, it looks like the honor guards are back a little farther, and Regret could just be lower in his throne, but he is definately taller than 8'1"---- Anonymous

I have the leader cards from the limited edition.  Reget's card says he is 7' in his throne and the Arbiter is 8' 1".  For additional reference Anders (whom you get a good comparsion shot of with the Arbiter in one cutscene), is 5'10".  That said, I have no idea why his height was changed to 8'9" when there is a clear reference that stated otherwise. - Sl'askia.

Just to add on to what was said above.  The 8’ 1” height figure is said not just on the leader cards, but also in the official guide book (I own both).  So, I seriously doubt it is a typo.  Also, I recently learned that apparently the official average height for a Sangheili is now 7.2 feet (about 7’ 2 1/2”):  this is apparently taken from the Beastrium received in the Halo 3 collectors edition (which I don’t own unfortunately, so can someone else verify please?).<br>
Now, here’s my thoughts on the height issue (provided the 7.2 figure is true and the individual wasn’t pulling our legs).  I’ve noticed that Sangheili seem to hunch down a lot, either due to the weight of their armor, as a standard battle pose, or perhaps a bit of both.  The 7.2 figure could very well be the average height of a Sangheili hunched down and the 8’6” figure the average height of an Sangheili standing fully erect (legs only slightly bent, back straight, head raised).<br>
What this could mean is that Ripa’s height on the card and in the guide book is his ‘battle height’. So the 8’1” figure would be both correct…and incorrect.<br>
Pure speculation on my part, but it mops up the inconsistency nicely IMO. [[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 05:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:In my opinion, the 7'2" height for an average elite is when they are hunched. However, looking back in [[Halo: Combat Evolved]], you can see that they are actually taller than what we see in Halo 2 and Halo 3. The reason for this is gameplay balance. This is where Halo Wars makes an error when they modelled after Halo 3, not Halo:CE, thus creating inconsistency in the average Sangheili height.-<b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>ub<font color="#FF4F00">7</font>ank</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 05:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

::Hmm...It could be that they made them hunched over in Halo 2/3 for the multiplayer balance you mentioned, while still keeping their actual 'height' (If that made any sense).  Either way, Ripa's height should be marked on the page as 8'1" as per the sources we have, since the 9'3" height it is marked at now is purely speculation.  [[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 05:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I was under the impression that the average height for an Elite is around 7'6". However, it's inconsistent at best. But you can't claim him to be 9'3" with no source, when all sources say he's 8'1". – Someone

::::Yet everytime someone does change it to 8'1", someone goes in and changes it back...*growls*   [[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 00:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Please don't mess around Halo Wars is of a Higher Canon Source than the guides which have been proven wrong in the past, and surely not some cards.  The Arbiter in Halo Wars is a massive Elite, no matter how you look at it, there are several images of him dwarfing the Honor Guards.  Play the damn game, and edit the page, look at him in comparison to other Elites, humans, Regret. --[[User talk:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] 16:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
:First off, Halo Wars is not 'higher canon' then anything else:  canon is canon (and yes I have played the game).  Yes the guide could have made a mistake, however the cards came ''with the game'' so must be considered canon along with it.  Also, if you have read what I wrote above, you would know that the average height of the Sangheili was supposedly changed to be 7.2 in the Halo 3 Bestiarum (which I don't own as it comes with the Legendary or Collectors edition of Halo 3).  This means the other Sangheili in the game could be at this new average height while Ripa is 8'1", which would still have him fit the 'massive Elite' descriptor Forge gave him. [[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 16:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Don't mess around.  The Master Chief is 7' if you play any Halo Game an Elite is alot taller than this, particularly the Arbiter.  The Bestiarium doesn't say 7'2 I own the Legendary edition.  Its 8'6 that's the accepted height confirmed by multiple sources of canon.  And yes Halo Wars is of Higher Canon than a goddamned guide.  Game Guides have been contradictory to the games several times, examples: War Chieftains wielding gravity hammers, and Minor Honor Guards.  --[[User talk:Councilor &#39;Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] 00:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:Bestiarium of Halo ''2'' or 3? From what I understand they say different things in regards to their height.  Do you own the Collector Edition of Halo Wars and have the leadership cards? ''They'' say Ripa is 8'1"!  Those same cards always say Regret is 7' in his throne, which explains why Ripa towers over him. Unless you are claiming the cards, which came directly from the makers of the game itself, are crap.

I have with me at this exact moment the Bestiarum that came with the Halo 3 collector's edition, and it says exactly "2.2 meters", which turns out to be 7.22 feet, or 7 feet and 2.64 inches. I consider this more canon than a prima written guide for a game not made by bungie. The average height is not 8'1" or whatever it was said to be. That said, Ripa is clearly much taller than any other elite, seen best when he tells the zealot of his disregard for the zealot's life. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 10:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

#Krak: The Leader card (not the Prima guide) for the Arbiter that comes in the [[Halo Wars|game]] states that [[Ripa 'Moramee]] is 8'1. If 7.22 is, as you say, the current canonical height for most Elites, that supports the cards statement that he is 8'1 (seeing as he towers at least a foot over them). This is also confirmed by the [[Prophet of Regret]]'s card, which states that he is just over 7 feet tall (while enthroned) and is shown in cutscenes to stand roughly at the same height as his guards and at least a foot below the [[Ripa 'Moramee|Arbiter]]. I think that pretty much resolves the issue.  [[User:Master Gump|Master Gump]]<sup>[[User talk:Master Gump|Me, myself and me are very important... Or not]]</sup> 12:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
How are they the same height as the Master Chief, have you played the Halo trilogy, Elites tower over Spartans by a couple of feet, watch a replay on the first level, or loot at the Arbiter compared to Johnson and Miranda in Halo 2.  If this is true than it should be reflected in all Elite articles, so get around to editing this--Councilor 'Rumilee

There is in fact 'higher cannon' in terms of what trumps what.  For instance, book will generally trump movie in actual cannon, game trumps manual, creator trumps everything.  The manual is the least believable, as are the cards and books, as the game was made and cannon established before they were made and are often full of typos and errors.--[[User talk:Kre &#39;Nunumee|Kre &#39;Nunumee]] 20:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:You're right, there are typically tiered levels of Canon, such as in the Star Wars universe.  However, that tier is set and pre-determined, not assumed.  You cannot say definitively that one is higher than another since no one clearly stated what trumps what.  Everything is on the same level of canon.  In Halo's case, recency trumps everything else unless otherwise stated. That is Bungie's official stance on it.  There is no tiered canon or anything (this can be evidenced by the fact that the books and the games often come in direct odds with each other on many different things.  According to tiered canon, the game should supercede the book, but that isn't always the case.) [[User talk:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 00:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Even when it isn't actually stated, it can infact be guessed at using this logical tiering system; a book allows full development in that you sit and read it for hours if not days and has no budget, a video game is similar except that it needs to be 'fun to play' rather than read, and a movie is ussually budgeted and needs to entertain you for two hours tops.  But this is called into question when something such as new graphics, different developers, or your prestated reasons, I just wanted to clarify and add to the discussion.--[[User talk:Kre &#39;Nunumee|Kre &#39;Nunumee]] 06:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==Names and Info==

I lack the rights to edit the article, so all I can do is present information here.

Firstly, isn't the term "unnamed Arbiter" somewhat redundant, since it's pretty much a given that any Arbiter is going to be unnamed while in service. If it's for the fact that no former title is known, unlike the current Arbiter being the Supreme Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice I can understand, but Arbiter (Halo Wars) would seem to be a more appropriate title.

Secondly, there's some more info with the cards, as seen [http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/e/e1/Halo_Wars_-_Collectors_Edition_package.jpg here] (or rather, more preferentially, the original source as per external referencing). We know that he's 8'1", is 7 (I assume that this refers to the ammount of time spent as the Arbiter rather than his actual age) and that "the UNSC only has shadowy figures of the Arbiter".

Apply as necessary.--[[User:Hawki|Hawki]] 05:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to make a wild guess and say that his name has an appostruphe two e's and somewhat hard to pronounes on the first few tries Sith'ari 20050515 21:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

In the Halo Wars info pane it says not many people know his given name is lesly, so it would be appropriate that his name is Lesly'ee.

[[User talk:XxXEcho419|XxXEcho419]] 21:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

== Move to "Arbiter (Halo Wars)" ==

Since there are plenty of Unnamed Arbitors, and since this one is from Halo Wars it would make more sense to put it like I put above, thus I'll be moving it to such.

{{support}} - I support renaming this article to '''Arbiter (Halo Wars)'''. —[[User Talk:Kougermasters|<span style="color: #3333FF; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">Ko</span>]][[Special:Editcount/Kougermasters|<span style="color: #3366FF; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">ug</span>]][[User:Kougermasters|<span style="color: #3399FF; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">er</span>]][[User:Kougermasters/Other Stuff|<span style="color: #66CCFF; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">mas</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kougermasters|<span style="color: #99CCFF; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">te</span>]][[User:Kougermasters|<span style="color: #9999FF; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">rs</span>]] 08:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

{{Support}}-Plenty of arbiters that are unamed.[[User talk:Sith Venator|Sith Venator]] 18:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

{{Oppose}}- I think it should be renamed Shirley or Shirley'ee. By the way you spelt arbiter wrong. [[User talk:XxXEcho419|XxXEcho419]] 21:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

{{Support}}- Yes. There are dozens of other Arbiters. Two others we know of are the ones from the Taming of the Hunters and the Grunt Rebellion. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;A government strong enough to give you everything you want...is strong enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 21:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shirley? ==

There seems to be an edit war over this Arbiters name, some say it is Shirley some say it is unknown. Now where exactly does it say his name is Shirley?[[User talk:Spartan 112|112]] 00:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I think I started it and its in the Halo Wars info scroll thing it said "Not many people know that The Arbiter's given name is Shirly".

--[[User talk:XxXEcho419|XxXEcho419]] 02:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually I started it,I noticed it when I was at the Halo Wars demo Main menu where it gives you tips.[[User talk:Sith Venator|Sith Venator]] 02:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Come '''ON''' guys! It's an Easter Egg. An Easter Egg in the ''demo'' as a matter of fact. The demo also (more or less) says, "The Brute Commander loves thorn beast, but it better be extra rare!" Ensemble wouldn't do this to us; Bungie wouldn't allow them to, anyway. After my initial shock passed, I went to Bungie.org where everyone agreed that it is, indeed, an Easter Egg; the forumers also complained about the Spartans' shields and AIs, which, IMO, are multiplayer/skirmish-exclusive. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;A government strong enough to give you everything you want...is strong enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 03:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Post Shirley related news (Support or opposition) here

[[User talk:XxXEcho419|C00l Beans Rox!]] 04:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure the full game also says those things, although I only remember seeing the thornbeast quote in it. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 10:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Thrall? ==

Source for the name. Dark Overlord 00:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree I'd like to know the source of the name "Thrall" as well, seeing as the source given was Halo Wars Genesis and that makes NO mention of his name whatsoever. By the way maybe someone took the name from  Warchief Thrall from World of Warcraft. But if thats the case then its not the actual name. [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 00:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Wait there is no mention of the name in Genesis at all? Is it on the back of his Leader Card? [[User:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Olive">Recruit 387</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Black">UNSC COMM</span></b>]]</sup> 03:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Well seeing as how I don't HAVE the cards I can't say for sure but it sure as hell isn't on the front, check this link out and look at it, under "NAME" it clearly states "ARBITER" no Thrall is on there. http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Halo-Wars-Collector-039-s-Edition-Detailed-2.jpg [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 04:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

My apologies, but if you dont have the cards, how did you get Genesis? [[User:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Olive">Recruit 387</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Black">UNSC COMM</span></b>]]</sup> 04:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I never said I had Genesis, I said that the source for the name (The little number 2 to the upper right of Thrall) was the page for Halo Genesis and on there it makes NO mention of his name being Thrall, therefore its not a valid source. I have also googled (not reliable I know but still) Halo Genesis/Halo Wars Arbiter name and came up with nothing [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 04:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok, I assumed because you said that it didnt make a mention of his name that you knew that for a fact. Which you dont. Considering the game officially comes out tomorrow first, i wouldnt jump to say anything isnt true just yet. There is no harm in waiting. [[User:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Olive">Recruit 387</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Black">UNSC COMM</span></b>]]</sup> 04:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Using your same logic do they know its Thrall for a fact? No. Were they jumping to conclusions when they moved it here? Yes. So why not just wait for the damn game to come out before they move a page which has no conclusive info about it. [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 04:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I never said they made the right decision. I am only saying that I will not be the one to jump on it and change it or make an effort to. Feel free tho I wont stop you. [[User:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Olive">Recruit 387</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Black">UNSC COMM</span></b>]]</sup> 04:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Haha I never said I was going to make them change it or change it myself or anything of the sort either did I? I'm only asking questions so that the whole matter can be cleared up and to find the reasoning behind it, simple as that. [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 04:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I am in favor of cleaning up this mess. It seems however that Tony does not have an issue with the name as he edited the page after it was moved. [[User:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Olive">Recruit 387</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan 387|<b><span style="color: Black">UNSC COMM</span></b>]]</sup> 04:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

If anything I just don't think he was really reading through it all, just saw a move request and did it. But whatever. Matter settled for now heh. [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 04:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

:{{Quote|His story began many cycles past. He was a ''Warlord Thrall'' who had the honor of putting down the "Sixteenth Unggoy Disobedience|Halo Wars Genesis}}

:Halo Wars: Genesis only refers to him being ''a'' Warlord Thrall. Thrall is usually a description used for an underling, signifying they're a servant of a higher lord. Like a Vassal. I don't think its his name. Its his former title.

:I have the game, and it never mentions his name. Why would it? He's been stripped of it. His only title is Arbiter. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a</font>]] [[halofanon:Operation:_HOT_GATES|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]</i></b> 22:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up :) Is it just that one passage that says the word Thrall in the book? [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 22:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I would have considered the following for his name. Gargarensis, Kamous, Kemsyt, Arkantos, Ossus, and number of other name mention through ensables other fine works before [[Halo Wars]]. [[User talk:Drsdino|Drsdino]] 23:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Meh I would have been content with just calling him Halo Wars Arbiter, or just plain Arbiter since Thel'Vadamee is the Halo 2/3 Arbiter. [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 23:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Considering that Thel 'Vadamee has magically become the Arbiter as per some editing meme, I don't expect anyone to listen, but the strategy guide explicitly gives his name as Ripa 'Moramee. Edit if you so desire. I can't stomach another Arbiter name debate.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 03:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

:If is says that's his name, then by all means, move the page to it. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a</font>]] [[halofanon:Operation:_HOT_GATES|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]</i></b> 23:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the strategy guide yet, but Ripa 'Moramee is more like an Elite name that Thrall. Also, when I read Genesis, I took the "Warlord Thrall" bit as a description of his role, not as his name. [[User talk:Sith Alchemy 101|Sith Alchemy 101]] 11:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

The strategy guide does in fact say Ripa `Moramee. If I had a little bit more Wiki knowledge I'd change the title name, but I don't have as much affinity as others. I also have no idea to cite sources...>_> [[User talk:Sabo Sangheili|Sabo Sangheili]] 20:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Could we please hold off with the name issue till March 4th? We've encountered many problems regarding the name of this Arbiter and would like to avoid one. Also, where do the Strategy Guide get its sources?-<b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>ub<font color="#FF4F00">7</font>ank</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 20:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

==Purposely Making the Arbiter armor at the same technological level every time an Arbiter dies?==

"When the Arbiter is killed, his body is rolled off of a narrow causeway into the depths below. Later, the Shield World he was killed on is destroyed. Given that there was no opportunity for the Covenant to recover his Arbiter armor, each Arbiter must therefore receive a new set upon creation. This does not explain why the Covenant choose to intentionally keep the armors technological level at a less advanced level than the standard Sangheili Combat Harness. "

In Halo 2, the Prophet of Mercy said that the tasks that the Arbiter must undertake are perilous, suicidal... perhaps the Covenant ''wants'' the Arbiter to die every time? Seems to make sense, especially seeing as they originally made 'Vadam an Arbiter as a death sentence. Apparently this Arbiter was promoted under similar circumstances, seeing as he was a prisoner before that. Thoughts? <span style="color:#4C8844">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 17:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the purpose of the Arbiter is to go on suicidal missons, in order to redeem himself in the eyes of the Covenant, becoming a martyr for their religon. CoH/Member List#Commanders|<span style="color:#36454F">''Spec Ops''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Commander|<span style="color:#000000">''Commander''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 17:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe the purpose of the suit is to look ancient. What if it was based on the armour of the Sangheili wore when the Covenant was formed...like a mark of respect, honour and devotion to the Covenant.[[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 17:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah,they want them to die of honor.And every arbiter is a different size.So yeah,some have mandibles as we can see,others don't,they probably choose some parts of the armor,because Thel got mandibles after halo 2.[[User:GEARS OF WAR 2|GEARS OF WAR 2]]

I agree Forerunner, the purpose of the armor signifies honor and respect for the past Arbiters and ancestors of the Elites so changing the armor design would be like....saying that lions could no longer be used during the gladiator matches in ancient Rome (I think its Rome <.<) or putting rubber bullets in a sniper rifle. [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 07:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

"You may wish to do the same, Arbiter, but take heed; your armor's system is '''''not''''' as...'''''new''''' as ours. Your camouflage will not last forever." 
From the mandibles of [[Arbiter_%28level%29#Part_02:_.22A_Whisper_in_the_Storm|Rtas 'Vadum]] himself.<br>
/-/[[User talk:Jetscream|Jetscream]] 17:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

If you think about it it makes sense, maybe there was simply not enough room "in/on" the armor to put a stealth device able to to last indefinitely. Let me provide an example. Say you have a brand new computer from Microsoft and it just came off the production line but its operating system was like Windows 95 or ME etc. If you tried putting newer technology like Office 2007 on there it wouldn't be compatible. Now obviously the armor isn't the same as a computer but you see what I mean. The design of the armor may have been an old design that was only able to use the camo they used long ago that was inferior to the ones used now. Sure they COULD have changed that but thats like remaking the statue of liberty with totally new and better materials and saying they are the exact same thing when they aren't. The elites live and fight for honor and glory, and the purpose of the Arbiter is to carry out the Prophet's will without question so if he dies because his armor was lacking it was honorable to die in it doing what his ancestor's did. [[User talk:Gado|Gado]] 17:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey wait! That makes total sense now! It might even explain Rtas hesitation when he said "is not '''as...'''''new''" - maybe he suspects the truth?
Either that, or he just tried to diss Thel for his ancient armor... :P<br>
/-/[[User:Jetscream|<span style="color:#80B0FF">Jetscream</span>]] File:Hannah-022.jpg|14px]] ([[User talk:Jetscream|<span style="color:#FF0000">Officer's Mess</span>]]) 09:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

It could be that because the armor was destroyed, the prophets went back to an older set of armor. This arbiter had a cloak that lasted what seems like longer than Thel's. Or, his size(from the above picture) could have required a new, larger set of armor, so they just put the old one aside for the time. [[User talk:Muldoon X9|Muldoon X9]] 19:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Ripa's cloaking can last indefinitely. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 10:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

It is arguable that while Thel 'Vadam's armor did have a limit on it's cloak, it wasn't actually as short as it was in the game. It was simply done because gameplay would have been too easy if it was longer.  Notice also that it changes depending on difficulty.  So the length of time his camo could work is variable.  Same goes for the Ripa.  The actual gameplay component of Halo Wars took a few liberties (like the Spartan's shields and such), so his permanent use of it in game could just be development librty.  In cutscenes he often turns it on and off. [[User talk:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 01:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

in the halo encyclopedia (as in the book) it states on the arbiters page that each arbiters armor is made to a specific design meaning the only thing that could get changed was the size and it explains why the stealth generator doesn't last forever in thel 'vadams case --[[User talk:Connorlawd|Connorlawd]] 05:23, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Seventeenth ==
Shouldn't this page be the Seventeenth Arbiter,instead of "Arbiter(Halo Wars)."Say This,{{Support}}

I agree, but put Halo Wars in parentheses afterwards. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 09:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

==Ripa 'Moramee?==
Are we sure that this is his name, and if so please provide proof and/or source. I just wanna avoid what happened with his last "name". CoH/Member List#Commanders|<span style="color:#36454F">''Spec Ops''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Commander|<span style="color:#000000">''Commander''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 07:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


There are more detailed bios on all the leader characters in the official Prima guide, its one of the selling points listed on the back cover "Exclusive Bios!: Official Background material on the Halo Wars characters not found anywhere else!". It specifically says official, so its going to have come from Microsoft or Ensemble. 
They are really quite fascinating. The Arbiter is on page 48.
All the character bios have a short story attached to them, which almost makes one wonder if there is a novelization in the works. 
To quote some of the Arbiters:

"Have you lost your way? Does the path not illuminate your life with purpose and joy? Ripa 'Moramee, answer me. Your very life depends on these next few seconds."
'Moramee looked up; his thoughts were not of his own life but of how easily he could end this noisemaker that disturbed his penance. He focused on the Prophet, standing up and straining against the roof of the cell.
   
And a little further in: 
  
Regret laughed. "Ripa 'Moramee, you act as if you have a choice in the matter! Your fate is already decided. Your name, it is gone, expunged from the the records of this facility. Rise up. I name you Arbiter."-- --[[User talk:BrySkye|BrySkye]] 10:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, like i said just wanted to avoid another "name" incident. CoH/Member List#Commanders|<span style="color:#36454F">''Spec Ops''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Commander|<span style="color:#000000">''Commander''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 18:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Although this is solid evidence, the game does say (as is addressed in the article) that his name is Shirley, and although this is probably a joke, it is never officially denounced as a joke. We should keep that in mind. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 09:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

:That's because they're depend on us to have the common sense to know that that is, in fact, NOT his name. It's taken from a frickin' joke from somewhere else (I forget where) - that in itself should say that it's a joke if there's any doubt in your mind. You shouldn't have to be told that an Elite's name is not Shirley. Seriously. <div style="font-variant:small-caps;">'''[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">S</font>]][[User talk:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">mok</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Smoke.|<font color="#666666">e</font>]]'''</div> 09:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Disreguard for Sangheili Code of Honor ==

Just thought I'd point out that I noticed in the cutscene preceding the level "Scarab" the Arbiter activates his energy swords in the presence of the Prophet of Regret, then deactivates them shortly after. According to the traditions mentioned in ''The Cole Protocol'', this would have been a breach of honor on his part since weapons were only to be drawn when they were intended to be used.
--[[Special:Contributions/98.227.2.205|98.227.2.205]] 03:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

:Something tells me that 'Moramee doesn't care too much about the code of honor anymore... <span style="color:#666666">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 04:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was one thing to draw a weapon without the intention of using it, but just ''think'' about it. He drew a weapon in the presence of a Hierarch! According to Contact Harvest and The Cole Protcol, the Honor Guards should have immediately taken him out. Maybe they let him be by virtue of [[Arbiter|his position]], and, thus, his usefulness to Regret and the Journey. Of course, this also leads to the argument of whether they were full-time Honor Guards (they look like Minors and Majors). --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;A government strong enough to give you everything you want...is strong enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 01:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

:I'm not actually sure they are Honour Guards. They seem to match the warriors Ripa uses in [[Halo Wars: Genesis|the graphic novel]] precisely. If they're the Arbiter's personal legion, rather than the protectors of the Prophets, then naturally they wouldn't have touched him. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a</font>]] [[halofanon:Operation:_HOT_GATES|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]</i></b> 20:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't know much about that, but the game has some inconsistencies, such as Spartans with shields, and some things which seem odd, like Ripa dual weilding swords and the aforementioned disregard for honor. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 10:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Homeworld? ==
Are we sure that Ripa 'Moramee's homeworld is Sanghelios? Halo Wars: Genesis says the following: "Although some feared that he also had a '''''desire''''' for... ... '''''greatness.'''''", with "Sangheili Base World, Decided Heart" at top showing a city of some kind. On the next page, it says "He went too far, though, attempting a coup on '''''his own''''' Sangheili clan leader.". Wouldn't that mean his homeworld is Decided Heart? According to [[Decided Heart]], it is where the clan of Warlords have settled. Halo Wars: Genesis also says he was "a warlord thrall". Can someone clear this up for me? [[User talk:RpgNick|RpgNick]] 19:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Its like a type of Warlord, i think. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[halofanon:Category:ONI recon 111|<font color="light blue">Cadet</font>]] [[User:ONI recon 111|<font color="green">ONI recon 111</font>]] | </b> File:1227612553 First3.jpg|30px]]</span> 19:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


== Seventeenth Arbiter of the Covenant? ==
When the Prophet says to the Arbiter in Halo 2 that all the bodies of the Arbiters where in the Mausoleum of the Arbiter, it`s a little strange. I counted the caskets, they were 182, and this Arbiter is the seventeenth Arbiter, and it's very improbable that there were more than 100 Arbiters in 20 years. Well, some caskets may have been empty, but I don't understand why they all look the same, there should be a diference between the empty ones and the ones with a body. Also, it isn't possible that all the bodies of the Arbiters are there, because it was impossible for the Covenant to get back this arbiter's body.

[[User:Kurt Ambross|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Kurt Ambross'''</span>]] File:Mexico flag.png|30px]] ([[User talk:Kurt Ambross|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]) 04:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:Maybe he's the seventeenth Arbiter of that particular age the Covenant is currently in? Rather then thoughout the history of the Covenant? That's how I am looking at it.... [[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 18:11, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure where I got this, but I was somehow under the impression that one set of armor was passed down through all the arbiters. [[User talk:Krakenkiller|Krakenkiller]] 10:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Its one of those assumptions we all make that has never actually been stated in the Halo universe. All Truth ever says about the Arbiters is that they rest in the Mausoleum - he never says every Arbiter wears the same armour. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 23:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

It might be possible that the Arbiter originated in the pre-Covenant age as a purely Sangheili tradition, and that they were later honored in the mausoleum after the construction of High Charity, meaning that most of the caskets are empty and only there for ceremonious reasons. Thus Ripa is the 17th Arbiter after the Covenant's formation, but the 187th arbiter in Sangheili history. It might also be a mistake by either Bungie or Ensemble.--[[User talk:Kre &#39;Nunumee|Kre &#39;Nunumee]] 20:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)



Actually, the Covenant has been through different ages. It is possible he's the 17th Arbiter for that age of the Covenant. The Covenant has been around A LONG time and is split up into distinct eras.

==Trivia section==

I was wondering if it would be alright to clean up the trivia section, as a lot of it strikes me as fan conjecture rather than known fact. [[User:Master Gump|Master Gump]]<sup>[[User talk:Master Gump|Me, myself and me are very important... Or not]]</sup> 19:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

*Per Master Gump. I will clean up this section.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 19:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


==Expansion==
*Does anyone have additional biographical information that can be used to flesh this out a little? Specifically, I'm wondering about 'Moramee's early years and life before becoming the [[Arbiter]]. I know the Prima Official Guide and the comic book which shipped with the Legendary Edition for [[Halo Wars]] have backstory not in the game (some of which has already been relied on as sources), but as I do not have either of these I'm wondering if someone who does could provide any noteworthy material. I've been tempted to nominate this for [[Halopedia:Featured/Article|FA]], but I'd like to see if we can bulk it up a bit first. Thanks, [[User:Master Gump|Master Gump]]<sup>[[User talk:Master Gump|Me, myself and me are very important... Or not]]</sup> 02:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:I have both the guide and the comic, but unfortunately anything note worthy from either has already been mentioned in the article. [[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 21:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
*Ok, thanks. [[User:Master Gump|Master Gump]]<sup>[[User talk:Master Gump|Me, myself and me are very important... Or not]]</sup> 22:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

==3rd person view==
In the abilities, it says the player goes into 3rd person view. The only change to the view is that it scrolls with the arbiter... any reason someone can think of for keeping it? [[Special:Contributions/99.141.213.38|99.141.213.38]] 23:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== Name Joke ==

Haha! I get it. Rip-more-of-me. Hee hee![[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Khaki; font-family:Blackadder ITC; ">'''Thunderstream328'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Gold; font-family:Blackadder ITC; ">'''Scroll'''</span>]] 20:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)



You just got that lol [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]]

== Halo 5 Mention? ==
I don't remember Ripa being mentioned at all in Halo 5. When was this?[[User:The Ragin Pagan|The Ragin Pagan]] ([[User talk:The Ragin Pagan|talk]]) 00:52, 16 February 2017 (EST)
:''Krith's Left Hand'' yo.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 00:54, 16 February 2017 (EST)
::Ah, doi. I was thinking it'd be somewhere in the campaign, such as a mention on Sangheilios. Thanks![[User:The Ragin Pagan|The Ragin Pagan]] ([[User talk:The Ragin Pagan|talk]]) 00:57, 16 February 2017 (EST)
:::This exposes an interesting point though...should attributions be a little more specific where possible? In my own documenting of Halo (and I admit I could be more specific for my own uses), I would attribute something like H5 for Campaign, and H5MP for the multiplayer part. Still not crazy specific, but I've seen mentions like this before on Halopedia and I'm questioning where the mention was as it only lists the game but not whether it's campaign, multiplayer, Limited Edition materials, etc. I guess my stance is if it's worthy of mention (in a canon sense) it's worthy of proper attribution so it's not a needle-in-a-haystack to cross-verify in case of a dispute or malicious editing. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 14:44, 11 August 2017 (EDT)