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Under the Defense paragraph it states the following: "Total Naval Assets: 1,209 (T); 75 (X)". I have two questions that have to do with this fact. 1) Is it talking about the Navy that operates in the sea or the Navy that operates in space? Im assuming it's the latter, but Im unsure. 2) What does the "(T)" and "(X)" mean/stand for? -- [http://halopedian.com/User:Rorschach_416 Rorschach 416] July 27, 2010 | Under the Defense paragraph it states the following: "Total Naval Assets: 1,209 (T); 75 (X)". I have two questions that have to do with this fact. 1) Is it talking about the Navy that operates in the sea or the Navy that operates in space? Im assuming it's the latter, but Im unsure. 2) What does the "(T)" and "(X)" mean/stand for? -- [http://halopedian.com/User:Rorschach_416 Rorschach 416] July 27, 2010 | ||
:I'd say T stands for "Terrestrial", while X stands for "Exoatmospheric", corresponding to "wet" Navy and "space" Navy forces. Given the figures given in the rereleased Halo: The Fall of Reach, placing the Covenant fleet at more than 700 ships, this is a pitiful amount. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:02, August 8, 2010 (UTC) | :I'd say T stands for "Terrestrial", while X stands for "Exoatmospheric", corresponding to "wet" Navy and "space" Navy forces. Given the figures given in the rereleased Halo: The Fall of Reach, placing the Covenant fleet at more than 700 ships, this is a pitiful amount. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:02, August 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Terraformed? == | == Terraformed? == | ||
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The article says that Reach required some degree of terraforming to be hospitable for human life. It seems unlikely as there are still native species on Reach (Moa, Gueta). It seems that Reach would have already had a hospitable enough environment for the various plantlife and animal life, so the terraforming could have possibly been purely atmospheric. But, doing this would undoubtably kill off many of the native species. However, the terraforming could have been to just add more oxygen for human life assuming Reach already had a sufficient amount for native life, and this would assume that the species afterwards would be the most adaptable and toughest. I guess it comes down to how many native species we see in the game.--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 15:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC) | The article says that Reach required some degree of terraforming to be hospitable for human life. It seems unlikely as there are still native species on Reach (Moa, Gueta). It seems that Reach would have already had a hospitable enough environment for the various plantlife and animal life, so the terraforming could have possibly been purely atmospheric. But, doing this would undoubtably kill off many of the native species. However, the terraforming could have been to just add more oxygen for human life assuming Reach already had a sufficient amount for native life, and this would assume that the species afterwards would be the most adaptable and toughest. I guess it comes down to how many native species we see in the game.--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 15:35, August 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Terraforming doesn't just affect atmosphere. It also affects other factors - geography, for example. From what we've seen of Reach, it's pretty rugged and mountainous, and levelling a significant chunk of land for the construction of cities, roads, farms, etc, would be a major undertaking. It also affects the magnetosphere - Mars, for example, has a very thin one, letting a lot of radiation in. If Reach was similar, the UNSC would need to enhance it to provide a habitat where humans don't get sunburn in thirty seconds. Or water supplies? Harbours, canals, resorvoirs, would all have to be set up for human infrastructure. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 10:09, August 8, 2010 (UTC) | :Terraforming doesn't just affect atmosphere. It also affects other factors - geography, for example. From what we've seen of Reach, it's pretty rugged and mountainous, and levelling a significant chunk of land for the construction of cities, roads, farms, etc, would be a major undertaking. It also affects the magnetosphere - Mars, for example, has a very thin one, letting a lot of radiation in. If Reach was similar, the UNSC would need to enhance it to provide a habitat where humans don't get sunburn in thirty seconds. Or water supplies? Harbours, canals, resorvoirs, would all have to be set up for human infrastructure. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 10:09, August 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:It is also possible that certian intrest groups or individuals worked to try and help some of Reach's native wildlife adapt to the new human based climatic conditions and biosphere. '''[[User talk:Dragrath1|Dragrath1]] 23:00, September 17, 2010 (UTC)''' | :It is also possible that certian intrest groups or individuals worked to try and help some of Reach's native wildlife adapt to the new human based climatic conditions and biosphere. '''[[User talk:Dragrath1|Dragrath1]] 23:00, September 17, 2010 (UTC)''' | ||
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== European descent? == | == European descent? == | ||
It seems that Reach was colonised mainly by Europeans, primarily Hungarians and Slovakians. For example, it has many countries named in Hungarian, Czech and whatever else, like Visegrad and Ütközet. The farmer whom Jorge spoke to in the level [[Winter Contingency (Level)|Winter Contingency also]] spoke some weird language, and Laszlo Sorvad and Sára Sorvad were Hungarian. The two moons of Reach were also named after animals in Hungarian mythology. Could this suggest that Reach could originally have been a low-tech Outer Colony and not a major military force of the UNSC? I'm just here to let you guys know. Don't pummel me with tons of contradictions --[[User:SolidLemonsoup|<span style="color:purple"><b>'''Mmm... Jackal Stew'''</b></span>]] 10:46, September 26, 2010 (UTC) | It seems that Reach was colonised mainly by Europeans, primarily Hungarians and Slovakians. For example, it has many countries named in Hungarian, Czech and whatever else, like Visegrad and Ütközet. The farmer whom Jorge spoke to in the level [[Winter Contingency (Level)|Winter Contingency also]] spoke some weird language, and Laszlo Sorvad and Sára Sorvad were Hungarian. The two moons of Reach were also named after animals in Hungarian mythology. Could this suggest that Reach could originally have been a low-tech Outer Colony and not a major military force of the UNSC? I'm just here to let you guys know. Don't pummel me with tons of contradictions --[[File:Noblelogo.png|25px]][[User:SolidLemonsoup|<span style="color:purple"><b>'''Mmm... Jackal Stew'''</b></span>]] 10:46, September 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:No, because as this Briton knows, Europe isn't low-tech.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 12:53, September 26, 2010 (UTC) | :No, because as this Briton knows, Europe isn't low-tech.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 12:53, September 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I really don't get the logic here. Why on Earth would a planet being colonized by mostly Europeans mean that it's low-tech? How the hell did you even come t that conclusion? And as for it being an Outer Colony, that has to do with its distance from Earth so yes it may have once been an Outer Colony but due to expansion it is now an inner colony.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 13:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC) | I really don't get the logic here. Why on Earth would a planet being colonized by mostly Europeans mean that it's low-tech? How the hell did you even come t that conclusion? And as for it being an Outer Colony, that has to do with its distance from Earth so yes it may have once been an Outer Colony but due to expansion it is now an inner colony.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 13:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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== Planet's age is unfitting for its life == | == Planet's age is unfitting for its life == | ||
Reach's age is 1 billion years old and has a wide range of complex life, yet the most basic organic structures didn't even appear on Earth until 1.5 billion years of age. At only 1 billion years old, why does Reach have similar life to that of Earth at roughly 4.25 billion years old? Precursor involvement? Forerunner seeding?-- | Reach's age is 1 billion years old and has a wide range of complex life, yet the most basic organic structures didn't even appear on Earth until 1.5 billion years of age. At only 1 billion years old, why does Reach have similar life to that of Earth at roughly 4.25 billion years old? Precursor involvement? Forerunner seeding?--[[Image:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 17:55, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
:No one can predict nature; one can only make theories as accurate as they can. As such, never generalise what Earth has achieved to other planets. :) — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 18:07, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | :No one can predict nature; one can only make theories as accurate as they can. As such, never generalise what Earth has achieved to other planets. :) — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 18:07, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
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The Forerunner idea is also a possibility, seeing as we know they had some sort of presence there... although I absolutely agree that the rules of life probably vary considerably between planets (both as far as Halo is concerned and in reality) [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 19:06, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | The Forerunner idea is also a possibility, seeing as we know they had some sort of presence there... although I absolutely agree that the rules of life probably vary considerably between planets (both as far as Halo is concerned and in reality) [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 19:06, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
::Yes, but the speed at which Reach's life evolved is astonishingly crazy. On Earth, there was a 3 billion year span from the very first life to the kind of life on Reach. I don't care what its origins are, no kind of life can get that complex in 1 billion years. If the life on Reach is native, then the Precursors must have been involved. Or, when the Forerunners inhabited the planet, they brought along some select species of value to them; similar to how they seed their artificial worlds.-- | ::Yes, but the speed at which Reach's life evolved is astonishingly crazy. On Earth, there was a 3 billion year span from the very first life to the kind of life on Reach. I don't care what its origins are, no kind of life can get that complex in 1 billion years. If the life on Reach is native, then the Precursors must have been involved. Or, when the Forerunners inhabited the planet, they brought along some select species of value to them; similar to how they seed their artificial worlds.--[[Image:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 19:31, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::Does anybody really think that the flora and fauna of Reach are truly native? That fish, birds, mammals and reptiles would evolve under even subtly different conditions to look nearly identical to those that developed on Earth? I don't believe it for one moment. Exactly ''how'' that life got there, I don't know - I'm sure the Forerunners or the Precursors had a hand in it, though exactly why remains to be seen. And until it is, we really can't say how it got there, or why. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 19:58, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | :::Does anybody really think that the flora and fauna of Reach are truly native? That fish, birds, mammals and reptiles would evolve under even subtly different conditions to look nearly identical to those that developed on Earth? I don't believe it for one moment. Exactly ''how'' that life got there, I don't know - I'm sure the Forerunners or the Precursors had a hand in it, though exactly why remains to be seen. And until it is, we really can't say how it got there, or why. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 19:58, 17 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::If you have an Earth-like planet, similar species are bound to evolve. For example, on Reach, I wouldn't expect to see a 7-legged mammal with eyes on its elbows. Evolution is all about how organisms adapt to their surroundings. Since Reach has very similar conditions to Earth, you would expect to see similar creatures. However, the only confirmed "native" species are the Moa and Gúta. All the others like the rats and koi are likely brought over from Earth. Pests like rats always find a way to piggyback off of human travel, and koi are more of a decoration than true wildlife, hence their existance in the uppity high-class tower on Refleciton.-- | ::::If you have an Earth-like planet, similar species are bound to evolve. For example, on Reach, I wouldn't expect to see a 7-legged mammal with eyes on its elbows. Evolution is all about how organisms adapt to their surroundings. Since Reach has very similar conditions to Earth, you would expect to see similar creatures. However, the only confirmed "native" species are the Moa and Gúta. All the others like the rats and koi are likely brought over from Earth. Pests like rats always find a way to piggyback off of human travel, and koi are more of a decoration than true wildlife, hence their existance in the uppity high-class tower on Refleciton.--[[Image:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 13:58, 18 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
== Reach was Inhospitable for life because of a meteor crash? == | == Reach was Inhospitable for life because of a meteor crash? == | ||
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:That depends on the size of the meteor. Even Earth get hit by dozens of meteors, albeit small ones. At least a house-sized meteor, though, would be enough to level off a city like New Alexandria. 20 stories high means the destruction of Europe, and if it were perhaps a mile wide, extinctions would be likely. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 09:11, 25 May 2011 (EDT) | :That depends on the size of the meteor. Even Earth get hit by dozens of meteors, albeit small ones. At least a house-sized meteor, though, would be enough to level off a city like New Alexandria. 20 stories high means the destruction of Europe, and if it were perhaps a mile wide, extinctions would be likely. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 09:11, 25 May 2011 (EDT) | ||