Editing Talk:Ralph-103

What? How can a Spartan-II simple become a member of the Marine Corps? If it was a Spartan-I, I'd believe it, but a II? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 22:42, February 3, 2010 (UTC) 

:I know, it's ridiculous. If you've seen Homecoming, then you'll know all about it. For the full discussion, see [[Talk:Homecoming#Spartans|here]]. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:48, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

== non-canon ==

this cant possibly be correct its just like that encyclopedia. you cant have a spartan whith a tag higher than 150 is that clear

Could be a nickname or a tag for being a marine.[[User talk:Cally99117|Cally99117]] 08:17, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

ya that was what i was thinking (great minds think alike). it would make sence but I havent personly seen homecoming yet and my atempts of changing ralph-303 to just ralph were totally killed by subtank. I guess well have to just wait and see. --[[User talk:Philyboy2010|Philyboy2010]] 20:49, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


Someone mentioned that maybe Ralph should have been Ralph-003, which makes the most sense to me. However, after finally finding a leaked version, it actually is Ralph-303. That's what people seem to be going off of. However, just because he was trained as a Spartan doesn't mean he became one. Maybe the legit version will have revealing subtitles or something. Hopefully this is cleared up sometime soon. [[User talk:ApolloisNaughty|ApolloisNaughty]] 21:09, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

deos it actually say his tag[[User talk:Philyboy2010|Philyboy2010]] 21:12, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
: He could be different then the rest of the Spartans, like Spartan Black team. That would also explain why he's a marine.--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 05:03, February 8, 2010 (UTC)



== Mabey ralph was a spartan who failed the augmentation and became a marine instead ==
I think ralph failed the augmentaion or something --[[User talk:Philyboy2010|Philyboy2010]] 00:10, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
:It is a nice theory but I think if you failed the augumentations you die.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:ODST Crest.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 01:44, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

::Not only that, but Ralph, Daisy, and the others escaped '''after''' augmentations. --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 02:59, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Actually philyboy2010's theory is true because from the information i got, it said that ralph was discharged. Discharged means they are too wounded to continue with the augmentation.

<br />There were wash-outs, such as Fjahad and Soren that weren't completely functional after the augmentations. Some died, some disfigured, some crippled. Ralph doesn't seem like any of these, but while Soren was disfigured he was able to locomote (move) without the full functionality of his legs. So perhaps Ralph's body outright rejected the augments but he wasn't crippled. He probably wasn't able to wear MJOLNIR. [[User talk:ApolloisNaughty|ApolloisNaughty]] 17:41, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, from what is shown, I'd say the reason he became a regular marine instead of staying a Spartan was likely due to his own flash clone encounter. He seemed very shaken up over it and it may have just be too much for him to fully accept. It might have been more an emotional thing than a physical one. He was already disturbed by the augmentation procedures, so maybe the revelation of the flash clone replacement just pushed him over the edge and he backed out of the program entirely. Just what I gathered from it all, anyway.

Well, he was a pelican pilot... so we didn't see him move around so maybe his legs were crippled. So it might explain it.
--[[User talk:Ashary|Ashary]] 02:35, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

::Maybe he was the Control of the SPARTAN-II Program?[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:ODST Crest.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:09, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't he be the Spartan who is there afterwards and puts the teddy on Daisy's body?

First of all, sign in your username. Second of all, they confirmed that the Spartan at the end was John-117.[[User talk:T-rex-king|T-rex-king]] 17:54, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

:Can someone tell me where the confirmation is? {{Signature/Cally99117|20:29, 8 May, 2010}}

In the commentary on the Halo:Legends DVD, Frankie says that it is John who puts the teddy bear there. As for how he got on Harvest all of sudden...[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 20:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

:Tell me the exact point in the commentary. {{Signature/Cally99117|09:42, 9 May, 2010}}

==Ralph's BDU==

Though it may not really matter, I just thought i would say that Ralph's uniform looks like it's a mixture of regular Marine and ODST BDU. [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]] 15:56, Aug 14, 2010 (UTC)

==Ralph's tag?==
How is it possible for him to have a Spartan tag higher than 150? My only theory is there is a retcon on the number of possible candidates.(Going from 150 to 350 maybe?) This sound reasonable? [[Special:Contributions/98.154.60.146|98.154.60.146]] 22:09, 9 November 2010 (EST)

:I've always said that there's no reason to suppose that the Spartans' designations correlate to the number of candidates. We know that Halsey deliberately fudged the numbers of Spartans available in 2552, with her speech to them being a flat out lie - I imagine her efforts would have begun much earlier. Giving a few Spartans designations higher than the hypothetical 150 limit might have been intended to give ONI the impression that there were more Spartans serving than there were, deliberately giving the impression of larger numbers. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:09, 10 November 2010 (EST)

== Possible explanation for Ralph's tag ==

I have two possible explanations for Ralph's service tag.

1. It's supposed to be 033.
2. Ralph could be from a group of secondary candidates. It's possible there were just 150 primary candidates with 100% of all the qualifications. There could have been 150+ more candidates that didn't meet all the qualifications but were still suitable for the program (possible to Halsey's protest.) Notice that 1 candidate did escape capture. It's possible that ONI went ahead and took Ralph as a replacement for some reason. Now notice that he went a bit crazy after seeing his Flash Clone. It's possible that he lacked some genetic quality that would have prevented him from freaking out like that. 
[[User:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]

:I prefer the idea that it was part of a deliberate misinformation campaign by Halsey to lead the UNSC to think there were far more Spartans than there were. There's never been much evidence that the numbers have any relation to how they were recruited or what order - John seems to have been the first candidate interviewed, but was designated 117. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 01:55, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

I always thought that John's tag was 117 because he was the 117th person to be identified possessing the superior genes Halsey was looking for. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.2.109|220.255.2.109]] 09:14, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

:That's just it, though. We all just assumed that was what it meant. I don't think any source ever says it. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:54, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

::Even going on that logic, 303 is still a viable tag. Ralph could have been the 303rd person identified, but when it came down to it, only 150 candidates were chosen; they kept their tags, but there were only 150 of them. --<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC">[[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Am I a Lion, or a Lamb? Or a Boy?</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="red">Saint o</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="black">r Sinner?</font>]] [http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/User:Lordofmonsterisland <font color=#777777>The Lost Books</font>]</sup></span> 18:17, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

I thought that 117 meant #117 of 150. I guess this was established in the Fall of Reach comics. It shows various 11# candidates and 117 is John. Unless 343i actually has something planned for this, it seems like a pointless add-on to the canon that just confuses fans. I'd prefer that they change it to -033. [[User:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]

== 303 to 103 ==

When did this get revealed? And where? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 20:13, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
:It's in today's [https://blogs.halowaypoint.com/en-us/blogs/headlines/posts/the-halo-bulletin-9-24-14 Bulletin], the second to last question in the Community Q&A section.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 20:29, 24 September 2014 (EDT)
::Thank you. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 21:41, 24 September 2014 (EDT)

== Date of death ==

Reading the fourth adjunct of Fall of Reach, I think the death of Ralph didn't occured in 2531, but during or after 2547. The current date of death in the article is deduced from a weapon-related date (that's fragile in my book) and his alleged involvment in the Harvest campaign ([[Talk:Homecoming#Harvest?|an info I found no source of]]). In the adjunct, Mike is contacting Agnes about Ralph's recent death after the partial SPARTAN-II declassification, which happened on May 21st, 2547. Legends-related info are always a pain to work through and I did failed to take some infos into account in prior discussions, so I'll just wait a bit to see if anyone see an error in my reasoning before modifying. [[User:Lunaramethyst|Lunaramethyst]] ([[User talk:Lunaramethyst|talk]]) 09:03, 8 July 2016 (EDT)

:I think someone may have pointed out that the site of the battle is identified as Harvest in the ''Legends'' developer commentaries. The ''TFoR'' Adjunct entry also seems to be dated post-2552 as the Flood is mentioned, so it's really not a reliable indication in any direction. However, there's also the fact that the fuel rod gun being present may not be as solid of a proof of a 2531 date as the article makes it out to be, as the weapon may have been cataloged years after its first sighting in the field. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 08:26, 10 July 2016 (EDT)

::I checked and didn't heard any reference to Harvest in the commentary nor in the making of of the episode. So without another source, and if the Adjunct cannot be used (I'm personally bent on thinking the Flood mention is a slight overlook by the author), the place and date of Homecoming, and the date of death of Ralph, are unknown. [[User:Lunaramethyst|Lunaramethyst]] ([[User talk:Lunaramethyst|talk]]) 11:06, 10 July 2016 (EDT)

::Well the Halo Legends Sweepstakes cards(which I should make a page on here) mentions that Homecoming happens on Harvest. So yea the location is 100% harvest. -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 09:37, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

::At least two of them are uploaded here : [[:File:SGT. Howers Card.png]] [[:File:Daisy023card.png]] However, these claim that Daisy was born on Harvest, rather than Sargasso so, as for the TFoR Adjunct, they shouldn't be used as reliable sources if I get the policies correctly. Moreover, I'm skeptical on the reliability of materials from a Facebook game. [[User:Lunaramethyst|Lunaramethyst]] ([[User talk:Lunaramethyst|talk]]) 10:47, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

:::But then again the change of the birthplace might of been a retcon. Making the source still valid. Also it was the only place we got majority of lore for the first time. It was the original source of Daisys spartan number for example before other sources confirmed it. So regardless the source is valid. Just later lore takes priority over it. -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 11:09, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

::::I understand. I would be very interested in a page about these cards. [[User:Lunaramethyst|Lunaramethyst]] ([[User talk:Lunaramethyst|talk]]) 11:23, 11 July 2016 (EDT)