Editing Talk:Plasma

Check the third bullet of "Trivia." Really, plasma bolts can be stopped with hot-pads? So the UNSC marines should geared up in kitchen hot-pads to avoid being injured by plasma weapons, including the energy sword! Please check the source of that claim.

I agree, the third bullet needs to be removed or changed.  

The author tries to make it seem like the games aren't canon (while they obviously are), while suggesting that the books and the games are from two different series.  They aren't.  When analyzing Halo (since both the books and games are cannon), there has to be a cannon explanation for any said power disparities.  

But, in spite of that, I'd dispute his claim that there are power disparities.  Yes, in the game, plasma weapons are less effective than projectile weapons against unshielded targets, but that isn't unreasonable.  If I take a 2 lb. projectile, and accelerate to 40% of the speed of light (what some Gauss guns do), it will have nearly 2 megatons of energy when it hits it target!  That's about the energy of a small nuclear bomb.  Though I in no way suggest that UNSC machine guns have that kind of yield, it stands to reason that a handheld projectile weapon can be just as powerful as a handheld plasma weapon.  

Moreover, he claims that the weakness of plasma weapons in the games conflicts with the strength of plasma in the books.  But we do see plasma weapons killing people in the books.  We do see marines get killed by the Elite's plasma rifles.  Plasma rifles can cut through armor, just like we see in the book.  

So, really, there is no reason to conclude a break in canon here.  The information in the books agrees with the video games.


==Background==
Maybe I shouldn't be questioning this, but shouldn't a little background on Plasma as a substance be added i.e.: "Plasma is a fourth state of matter in the universe?"
Anyone agree, disagree?

The author has a point though.  Often it seems in the book that being touched by any plasma means your screwed.  Marines and machines are destroyed nigh instantaneously by plasma in the books but soak the same amount like sponges in the game.
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-Check the third bullet of "Trivia." Really, plasma bolts can be stopped with hot-pads? So the UNSC marines should geared up in kitchen hot-pads to avoid being injured by plasma weapons, including the energy sword! Please check the source of that claim.{{unsigned|24.25.231.62}}
+Check the third bullet of "Trivia." Really, plasma bolts can be stopped with hot-pads? So the UNSC marines should geared up in kitchen hot-pads to avoid being injured by plasma weapons, including the energy sword! Please check the source of that claim.
 I agree, the third bullet needs to be removed or changed.
-The author tries to make it seem like the games aren't canon (while they obviously are), while suggesting that the books and the games are from two different series. They aren't. When analyzing Halo (since both the books and games are cannon), there has to be a cannon explanation for any said power disparities.
+The author tries to make it seem like the games aren't canon (while they obviously are), while suggesting that the books and the games are from two different series.  They aren't.  When analyzing Halo (since both the books and games are cannon), there has to be a cannon explanation for any said power disparities.
-But, in spite of that, I'd dispute his claim that there are power disparities. Yes, in the game, plasma weapons are less effective than projectile weapons against unshielded targets, but that isn't unreasonable. If I take a 2 lb. projectile, and accelerate to 40% of the speed of light (what some Gauss guns do), it will have nearly 2 megatons of energy when it hits it target! That's about the energy of a small nuclear bomb. Though I in no way suggest that UNSC machine guns have that kind of yield, it stands to reason that a handheld projectile weapon can be just as powerful as a handheld plasma weapon.
+But, in spite of that, I'd dispute his claim that there are power disparities.  Yes, in the game, plasma weapons are less effective than projectile weapons against unshielded targets, but that isn't unreasonable.  If I take a 2 lb. projectile, and accelerate to 40% of the speed of light (what some Gauss guns do), it will have nearly 2 megatons of energy when it hits it target!  That's about the energy of a small nuclear bomb.  Though I in no way suggest that UNSC machine guns have that kind of yield, it stands to reason that a handheld projectile weapon can be just as powerful as a handheld plasma weapon.
-Moreover, he claims that the weakness of plasma weapons in the games conflicts with the strength of plasma in the books. But we do see plasma weapons killing people in the books. We do see marines get killed by the Elite's plasma rifles. Plasma rifles can cut through armor, just like we see in the book.
+Moreover, he claims that the weakness of plasma weapons in the games conflicts with the strength of plasma in the books.  But we do see plasma weapons killing people in the books.  We do see marines get killed by the Elite's plasma rifles.  Plasma rifles can cut through armor, just like we see in the book.
-So, really, there is no reason to conclude a break in canon here. The information in the books agrees with the video games. {{unsigned|69.143.98.60}}
+So, really, there is no reason to conclude a break in canon here.  The information in the books agrees with the video games.
-The author has a point though. Often it seems in the book that being touched by any plasma means your screwed. Marines and machines are destroyed nigh instantaneously by plasma in the books but soak the same amount like sponges in the game.{{unsigned|71.171.111.82}}
-however, this actually makes the games more accurate, given that the [[Titanium-A Armor|Body Armor]] article says that "[http://halopedian.com/Marines Marines] sometimes have thin Titanium-A armor suits, though these are an increasingly rare sight. These suits are slowly being replaced by <u>'''''ceramic'''''</u> variants",  ceramic materials have very high heat resistance and even modern ceramic materials are able to withstand the incredibly high temperatures of plasma, which is why [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku Dr. Michio Kaku]  used ceramic materials in his design for a Lightsaber, and if ceramics can survive being made into a Plasma sword, than they should also be able to survive being shot by a Plasma Rifle, (which a Lightsaber would also need to do) [[User talk:Andrew-108|Andrew-108]] 19:12, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
+==Background==
-== Background==
 Maybe I shouldn't be questioning this, but shouldn't a little background on Plasma as a substance be added i.e.: "Plasma is a fourth state of matter in the universe?"
-Anyone agree, disagree?{{unsigned|70.237.131.197}}
+Anyone agree, disagree?
-Agreed[[User:Ni9lson|Ni9lson]] 00:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
-== Introduction ==
-Sorry but how can plasma be classified as a solid, liquid and a gas? Plasma is it's own state of matter, the 'next step up' from a gas. Even in the header a link to the wikipedia plasma article is provided, which barely mentions the word solid. Whoever wrote the introduction clearly has little understanding of what a plasma actually is.[[User talk:Jhackett6|Jhackett6]] 11:31, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
-:If you see something you know is wrong, fix it. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 11:49, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
-:No, plasma is not a distinct phase of matter. [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 00:21, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
-:: A quote from the very first line of the wikipedia article on plasma - "In physics and chemistry, plasma is a state of matter similar to gas in which a certain portion of the particles are ionized." In no way is a plasma related to solids, and it only has some similarities with gases and liquids (such as having no definite shape unless in a container). [[User talk:Jhackett6|Jhackett6]] 06:04, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
-:You would do well to read the rest of the article. [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 11:12, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
-:Could you please direct me to the section that agrees with this pages introduction? I am unable to find it. [[User talk:Jhackett6|Jhackett6]] 11:32, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
-:Appologies, it seems that due to continual editting has fragmented and dispersed the specific references. It should be noted that I did not used Wikipedia as an initial reference when I wrote the introduction.
-:Take one example with you, the interior of the sun is both considered to be liquid, and a plasma. (according to astrophysicists these are not conflicting ideas). Read this paper, [http://iopscience.iop.org/0508-3443/15/4/303/pdf/0508-3443_15_4_303.pdf]. [[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 21:08, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
-== The mech suit warn by Sargent Johnson ==
-It's says in halo wars 2 that this has a phased plasma fusils as a weapon should that be made a mention in the plasma section
-== The mech suit warn by Sargent Johnson ==
-It's says in halo wars 2 that this has a phased plasma fusils as a weapon should that be made a mention in the plasma section
-== UNSC plasma weapons ==
-The unsc does have some plasma based weapons.  Some documentation quiet well such as the rhino tank and others like the prototype pla rifle and casaba howitzers and the phased plasma fusils on the green machine or the mech suit hope we get more info on these as we don't know to much.  Were they revered engineered or independently developed or what.  Hope we can get 343 to answer these soon [[User:Spartan Matt|Spartan Matt]] ([[User talk:Spartan Matt|talk]]) 02:14, July 13, 2023 (EDT)
+The author has a point though.  Often it seems in the book that being touched by any plasma means your screwed.  Marines and machines are destroyed nigh instantaneously by plasma in the books but soak the same amount like sponges in the game.