Editing Talk:Paris-class heavy frigate

==Edits==
I have changed "is able to hold its own against smaller Covenant capital ships..." to just Covenant warships because I wouldn't say a Corvette is a capital ship.

==Armaments==
If you look closely at the model of the Heavy Frigate you can see Archer Missile Pods similar to [[:File:13101574-Medium.jpg|these]], I think we should add these to the list of armaments despite the fact that we have not seen them in action.--[[User talk:Kaphraxus|Kaphraxus]] 18:56, January 7, 2011 (EST)

I am going to go ahead and add Archer Missiles to the armaments section.--[[User talk:Kaphraxus|Kaphraxus]] 21:45, October 26, 2012 (EST)

UNSC Grafton, UNSC Saratoga and UNSC Savannah's infoboxes all list 3 Shiva warheads amongst their armament (seemingly based on presumption), yet Paris-class infobox does not list 3 Shiva warheads. Add Shiva warheads to Paris-class infoxbox or deduct them from the aforementioned named ships' infoboxes?
Given a lack of response, I'll add it to the Paris-class. Makes sense, after all.

== UNSC Paris ==

Wonder if they intended the frigate {{UNSCShip|Paris}} to be the ship that named the class. It's obviously possible the original ''Paris'' was already decommissioned and the name was given to a ship of another class, but it certainly seems very convenient to be a coincidence. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:18, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:Considering the ''Paris''-class was first seen in 2552, it's very likely that the Frigate ''Paris'' assigned to the Home Fleet is the leadship of the class. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig|June 21st, 2011}}
::By "leadship", I presume you actually mean flagship, right? 'Cause technically the term "leadship" isn't actually a word...or you could also just mean the prototype, which would work a lot better than either previous words. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 00:30, 10 July 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
Actually Lead Ship is the correct term when referring to the first vessel of a class. A flagship on the other hand is a vessel used by the Senior Officer Commanding of a group of ships and has nothing to do with vessel classification. As to whether the mention of the UNSC Paris in Ghosts of Onyx was deliberate or just happy coincidence is uncertain. --[[User talk:Precipice66|Precipice66]] 17:43, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

==Pelicans?==
When and where was it confirmed that this class could carry pelicans, or for that matter, any single ships at all? I've never seen any launched from it in the campaign of ''Reach'', so unless it states otherwise in the Visual Guide, that info should be removed. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 20:23, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

It's an extrapolation from this being a larger vessel than the ''Stalwart''-class and that ship has been shown to carry Pelicans. Where they fit is another matter...the side cargo hatches are too small... [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:04, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

== Proper capitalization ==

Being the nit-picker I am, I think it's kind of out of the ordinary for the title to be lower case after Paris-class. Just thought I'd point that out and suggest the proper capitalization of the title. :P [[User talk:Tetrapex|Tetrapex]] 06:07, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
:Not really. We use the "class name capitalised, all else lower case" naming system for all our ship class articles.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 07:17, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

::"''Paris''-class heavy frigate" is capitalized correctly. In reality, only the proper name in a ship's class is capitalized. The description - in this case, "heavy frigate" - is written in lower case. For example, it is "''Iroquois''-class destroyer", not "''Iroquois''-class Destroyer". --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:30, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== # of Point Defense Guns ==
It says 12 on the page, but there are 20 in the images. [[User talk:Hyper Zergling|Hyper Zergling]] 01:40, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

:I can see only six on one side, so multiply that by two, we should get twelve. Where are the other four? TheGutsyChipmunk 18:15, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

::I know it has the twelve on it's port and starboard "wings". But I don't know about the other four, but I could swear that, flying by the Savannah in "Long Night" that it had a pair of tail guns: one dorsal, one ventral, situated between the engines. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 13:39, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

:::The point defense guns on the 3D model are added or removed based on the resolution of the model and if it can save memory resources in the game. If all the point defense guns are loaded, the ''Paris''-class has 12. There's 3 on each side of the dorsal flanks and 2 each on the ventral side of the flanks. There's a dorsal and ventral facing aft between the engines. That equals 12. The ''Savannah'' is the only one to have them all loaded in game memory at once. The ''Grafton'' and ''Saratoga'' don't have the aft one loaded, nor the dorsal flanks, only the underside guns are there firing at the Covenant. The frigates outside the Anchor-9 multiplayer map only have upper flank ones on the side facing the station. The Earth-side point defense guns are not loaded into game memory. Similarly, the Covenant corvette has several of the mini point defense guns used on the Phantom Gunboat and the number varies with the difficulty setting. [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:02, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

Hey I just changed the amount of point defense turrets on the page from 12 to 16. If you look at the picture third group down and two in your see on the Savannah a turret on the top back near the engines firing.  https://www.halopedia.org/File:UNSC_Savannah_Firing.jpg Taking that you would have one under and two in the same place on the other engine, So 16 instead of 12. --[[User talk:Time Flex|Time Flex]] September 6, 2017
:Reverted this change. If you didn't read the post just above yours, it explains where the turrets are on the ''Savannah''. If there's any doubt of the number, it's an easy thing to load up Reach in theater mode and fly around the ''Savannah'' and make a count. That's what I did when I determined there were only 12. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:25, 7 September 2017 (EDT)
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 ==Armaments==
-If you look closely at the model of the Heavy Frigate you can see Archer Missile Pods similar to these, I think we should add these to the list of armaments despite the fact that we have not seen them in action.--[[User talk:Kaphraxus|Kaphraxus]] 18:56, January 7, 2011 (EST)
+If you look closely at the model of the Heavy Frigate you can see Archer Missile Pods similar to [[:File:13101574-Medium.jpg|these]], I think we should add these to the list of armaments despite the fact that we have not seen them in action.--[[User talk:Kaphraxus|Kaphraxus]] 18:56, January 7, 2011 (EST)
 I am going to go ahead and add Archer Missiles to the armaments section.--[[User talk:Kaphraxus|Kaphraxus]] 21:45, October 26, 2012 (EST)
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 UNSC Grafton, UNSC Saratoga and UNSC Savannah's infoboxes all list 3 Shiva warheads amongst their armament (seemingly based on presumption), yet Paris-class infobox does not list 3 Shiva warheads. Add Shiva warheads to Paris-class infoxbox or deduct them from the aforementioned named ships' infoboxes?
 Given a lack of response, I'll add it to the Paris-class. Makes sense, after all.
-I really don't understand what you are doing. Why are you adding stats to all Paris class ships based on the books, even though these do not in the slightest coincide with the visual models Bungie used in their games. The official Paris class carries more than 26 Archer pods, I mean just look at Savannah and COUNT. 10 5-pod groups, its 50 (4x5 on the bow sides, 4x5 on the bottom and 2x5 on the upper rear). And the Shivas? Where would it even carry those? Instead it has 12 silos behind the Rampart guns that are most likely something smaller, from what I've heard they are apparently called Harpoons. Please fix this. The Paris from the books is not at all the one we see in the games, especially
-considering that Reach came AFTER the books and that the class was originally considered to be called Stalwart before they swapped names. I'd at best note the current book stats somewhere along the sidelines, I mean
-they dont even fit. How do you get 26 pods if they are supposed to be arranged in 5-pod groups? And if it isnt referring to the individual pods but the groups, HOW DO YOU FIT 26 OF THEM (WITH THE CAPACITY TO FIRE 130 AT ONCE) on a frigate? Please just change this, give the Paris page 50 pods and remove the Shivas, same for all ships of class. One could also add "12 unidientified missile silos". The guns btw are most likely M910s since the
-M870s the other classes used did not have the encased turret.
---[[User:Hakura 99|Hakura 99]] ([[User talk:Hakura 99|talk]]) 07:11, February 19, 2021 (EST)
 == UNSC Paris ==
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 Hey I just changed the amount of point defense turrets on the page from 12 to 16. If you look at the picture third group down and two in your see on the Savannah a turret on the top back near the engines firing.  https://www.halopedia.org/File:UNSC_Savannah_Firing.jpg Taking that you would have one under and two in the same place on the other engine, So 16 instead of 12. --[[User talk:Time Flex|Time Flex]] September 6, 2017
 :Reverted this change. If you didn't read the post just above yours, it explains where the turrets are on the ''Savannah''. If there's any doubt of the number, it's an easy thing to load up Reach in theater mode and fly around the ''Savannah'' and make a count. That's what I did when I determined there were only 12. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:25, 7 September 2017 (EDT)
-::OK I see it now their's only four in total under the Hangers and two on the tail.  --[[User talk:Time Flex|Time Flex]] 17:04, September 7, 2017