Editing Talk:Paegaas Workshop Spiker

To support this, if you go to Halo3.com the section where it talks about the Brute Spiker designates it as the "Brute Spike Rifle". I think we should call it that then. [[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 22:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with ED, Halopedia is a place for correct names, not nicknames...

** Thank you spartan-007. And no Spartan781, if we were to follow YOUR naming system all the pages would have to be changed. Remember that the Mongoose and Warthog are not official ONI names, and so the Mongoose page would have to be changed to just M247 ULATV, because the designation "Mongoose" is just a nickname. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 21:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Whos title are we going by of naming it, the brutes or humans,sure it's called a carbine but it's as big as an MA5 assault rifle.It's kind of strange (but not in a bad way) that the Covenant weapons are almost always bigger if compared to a human version in the same class but that's only because they ment to be used by big aliens.--[[User:0nyx Sp1k3r|0nyx Sp1k3r]] 00:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)BLARG!!!

**That is true, the Brutes most likely call it the Spike Rifle, I am much more inclined to believe that then the Brutes calling it "type-25 carbine". Not only that, but most humans call it the Spike Rifle or Spiker also. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 05:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

** Spartan781, I hate to say it, but that comparison, is wrong. The 'Type-25' in this weapons name is like the 'MA5C'  designation for the Assault Rifle, Carbine, is a weapon type, just like Assault Rifle. ICWS (which stands for 'Integrated Combat Weapon System', is what the weapons is used, or was designed to be, just as the 'AM' in SRS99D S2 AM stands for 'Antimaterial') -- [[User:Avalon324|Avalon]] 08:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it is better to have the name as Type-25 carbine because that is its proper name. Justin Time: I think it sounds more profesional to have it as Type-25 carbine because we should use the full and proper names. Not the nicknames.

I think we should compromise and name the article something like Type-25 Brute "Spiker" Carbine. If we only had proper names as titles the mongoose article would have to only include the M247 ULATV and exclude the "mongoose" nickname. I think this is too vague for someone unfamiliar with the Halo 3.-- [[User:EliteSpartan|EliteSpartan]] 1:56 August 11 2007

Here here. I am so confident that the words type 25 carbine wont even be uttered by the UNSC, that I am willing to take that bet. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 04:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No, probably not the ICWS. But the MA5C and such will be clearly in the game on ammo cartridges, weapon pick ups, maybe some dialogue, and not to mention the UNSC point of view manual. So whats your point? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 22:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

"Human weapons have abbreviated names, the Covenant Weapons no"? Somewhere out there, an english teacher is weeping... -_-

Anyways, as has been said, we cannot really decide until the game is released, so I suggest we suspend discussion until then, then we will see who is right.  --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 02:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

*I trust Bungie more than the instructional manuals, those are always riddled with mistakes. I've only ever seen bungie make one mistake. If Bungie says it's designation is Type-25 Carbine, who is to doubt them? And i think i have said this 2 or 3 times already but the name doesn't matter, as long as they type in one of its names then it will all go to the same page. Liek if you type assault rifle it goes to a disambugation page for Ma2B and MA2C and maybe a few more. Same with battle rifle and sniper. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 03:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S., Clavix2, for someone who is editing an <i>english</i> wiki, you sure dont speak good english. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 03:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

*As far as I have seen, when you pick it up in the beta it says "spiker" and the magazines have pretty much only called it the spiker or spike rifle. And your english does matter, since this is an english wikipedia. Can we all agree to reserve judgement for release? If you really think youre right it wouldnt matter if the game was released now would it? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 03:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry Justin but do you purposly ignore other peoples points unless you can ridicule them? You do not understand that should somebody type in Spiker of Spike Rifle and hit go, they cme directly to the Tpye-25 Carbine page, which right at the top notes that the weapon is called Spiker and Spike Rifle and has a great big picture of it. And whats the unreleated crap about the shotgun being renamed the bana launcher? Its beside the point. Also the reason why we call the Minor Elite by Minor Elite and not Minor Domo because it has NEVER been called Mior Domo, only the Major Rank was named with a Domo (Major Domo) and even then it was only used once. and as words straight from Bungie's cyber mouths, 'Over the years it has garnered the nicknames “Spike Rifle”, “Spiker”, and “hatchet gun”.' In fact, we don;t know what Brutes call them but all references to it by marines have called it the spike rifle, so if we name it by what the marines do then the page should be renamed to 'Spike Rifle'. Infact, it was only called the spiker is an informal pick up name on the beta. If we are to rename things after they are called from action buttons does that mean the M12 LRV 'warthog' should no longer have its military designation and should be permenantly called by its nickname?

*I agree with Ajax. Besides if we did rename this article the Spiker then we would have to reanem the M90 Shotgun page as the Shotgun, or the SR999C S2 AM Sniper Rifle page as the Sniper Rifle ect. Justin, please recognize that halopedia is meant for the technical names, not the nicknames.

**Justin Time, as far as I can tell, you want to go by the ONI name, but the thing that you have to realize is that Halopedia is not UNSC-centered, so we have to go by the official name. Kay? --<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="GPT does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> <b>[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="000000">GPT</font>]]_{([[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])}^{([[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="000000">eating</font>]])}</b> 01:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

**Now now CR no need to yell at the guy.

Plenty of people have been on my side, they just have not been actively posting like my opposers do. Bungie also calls Major Elites "Major Domos", Warthog is just a nickname for the M12 LRV, and Elites are just a nickname for "Sangheili".  

Well Justin there are plenty of reasons why we don't name stuff like that.

#: this would cause a massive renaming of articles just to make it easier for fans who do not kow the full name Eg: Renaming the W/AV Model 6 Grindell/Galileian Nonlinear Rifle article the Spartan laser article.

Please just stop with this useless arguement. We are keeping the name as Type-25 Carbine unless Bungie suddenly announces that they will rename it the Spike carbine so please just stop. You are starting to get a lot of users pissed off.

This is a Wiki, Latin is the official language for animal names, and I do not doubt that the Spartan Laser's full name will be in the manual or in the extra game content. I do not care how many users I get mad, I am not here for popularity.

But however bungie.net states that it is called the Type-25 Carbine so techinically the game would not be right. If we rename all of the article to make it "Easier" for people then we would lose the one thing that makes us truly a wiki: An encyclopedic information format. The names must be the technical and real names. Not the nicknames. The only reason why the elite part is in the article is because the humans call them elites and the covenant call them Sangheili. The warthog's name is in its article because Bungie.net calls ot the warthog. Catching on?

And <i>everything</i> calls it the Spiker. And that Bungie.net article was in a <b>UNSC</b> military report point of view, so it can easily have a different name among the Covenant, or just be translated into "Spike Rifle" from the covenant language. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 02:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey justin too many people say to leave the type 25, more than the people than say Spike Rifle. I think that you need to leave it this is an Encyclopedical page (Sorry if I said that uncorrectly), I know that allmost all people will call it Spiker when playing, but this is the official name, is like dont calling BR55 and call it Battle Rifle.

For all of you that think Justin is completely wrong consider this; Type-25 carbine is the '''Human''' name for the gun. The UNSC probably has a name for every covenant weapon. for example the plasma rifle might be called something like Type-43 high temperature non-reloadable/rechargeable direct energy blaster rifle. Would you prefer this to the simple and correct '''Covenant''' name of "Plasma Rifle". Im all for having corect names but I like justin don't think type-25 carbine is the correct name because it is a human name for a covanent weapon. I suggest waiting until bungie releases the covenant name for that will be the true name. And for everyone who saying that renaming the article will require renaming many other articles you are wrong. if we rename every covenant weapon with a human name that would take longer. --[[User:EliteSpartan|EliteSpartan]] 9:52 PM August 14 2007

Yes, I agree. This page is reaching maximum capacity, lets please suspend talk until the game comes out. Its fine <i>for now</i> if the article stays "type-25 carbine", we can pick up discussion later if I am right when the game comes out. And if every character in the game refers to it as the type-25 carbine, well ill eat a boot on youtube. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 02:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why you keep going on about 'What the covenant call the weapon' mainly because Covenant names are never referred to for the weapons, for all we know the plasma rifle could be the 'holy toastalator'. I'll not lie, Halopedia is mostly from a human perspective because its mostly human information that is released because te Halo games are from the human's perspective (and don't bother using the Arbiter levels as an excuse). In fact, we know nothing of what Covenant equipment is called by the Covenant, so stop using that excuse. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 14:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I have heard the Covenant call their weapons by their names on rare occasions in the book, and the book calls the weapons by the same names when the narrator takes on a covenant point of view and calls other things by the Covenant name (like sangheili). --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 22:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Yell? I'm not yelling yet, now if i was yelling it'd be much much worse. Then what's up with this argument, who cares if your not a seasoned Halo player, if you want to know what it is and see Type-25 Carbine click it, read it, and then you'll find out what it is.

No, if you click "here" it goes you to you tube.The video with the modded thing is "CMT's Spike Rifle".-[[User:Spartan-007|Spartan-007]]

Tungsten is actually a very heavy alloy, and the weapon itself is described as being so heavy it can only really be wielded by someone with prodigous strength, i.e. a Spartan or a Brute. (Note Bungie's commentary on it)

== when did jackals ==

Yeah, were did all this illegal side arm stuff come from? --[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 12:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Where did the information come from that the spikes were metal?Sorry it's just that I have a theory that would make little more sense then metal spikes.I think the spikes come from some kind plant or animal from the brute home world as come from a  natural resource and they use them as weaponry (like how south american naitives used the venom from poisonous frogs for blow darts).Nobody would think of it unless it was inspired or discovered.Besides isn't strange they would manufacture '''metal''' spikes?--[[User:0nyx Sp1k3r|0nyx Sp1k3r]] 19:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)BLARG!!!!

Good question. This is probably just exaggeration on EGM's part. The Spiker's magazine is, at best, only about 6 inches long, based on its size in proportion to the entire weapon. They do look a bit longer than that when stuck in an enemy, but that's likely just to make them visible in gameplay. OTOH, perhaps the process that heats the spikes up allows them to be stretched by some other mechanism. Who knows? Perhaps Bungie will release some more information about the weapon in the future. Perhaps not. <span style="font-family: HandelGothic BT; font-size: 12pt;">[[User:Rtas Vadumee|Rtas Vadumee]]</span> 08:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

==Official Naming Poll==

===Type-25 Carbine===

#'''Strong Support''' - As per Halopedia rules, Type-25 Carbine came straight for the [[Bungie| Horses Mouth]]. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 21:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

#'''Support till the end''' -- as stated above, this place is for the actual name, not the nickname. If it was for the nicknames, we would have SPNKR instead of M19 SSM Rocket Launcher. We just need Spike Rifle and Spiker redirecting here.

===Spiker or Spike Rifle===

::Its not that we prefer technical names, its that using technical names for weapons is a '''rule''' on the site. The other Covenant weapons use their nicknames because we do not know their designated names. Also, if it is one, official source, such as a novel, Bunie.net, game manuals, game guides and msot obviously, the game, we use that information. Even if a designation is mentioned only in one source. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 23:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

::If you guys really want to stick with type-25 carbine thats fine by me. but this is a poll and I wouldn't have voted for Spiker if I didn't think it was for the good of halopedia. --[[User:EliteSpartan|EliteSpartan]] 7:21 PM August 17, 2007

===Comments===

I thought we agreed to leave it "type-25" until the game comes out, and then have a vote if it is called for.

Perhaps all 'confusing' weapon articles should be titled: "True Name (Slang/common name)" ie: "Type-25 Carbine (Brute Spiker)".

== Well... ==

The game hasnt come out yet, voting on something as important as the name for all time is a pretty dumb idea in my opinion if the game hasnt come out. I think all this shows is what we already knew: Its fine for it to be called type-25 for now, based on what information we do have. But id have to say that youd have to be extremely stubborn or joking to say that this vote shows its name for all time when we have only been revealed a fraction of the information on it.

I agree with me pal Blemo. He is almost as powahfull as RR. Don't doubt him :P

Great this place is like an online high school... --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 22:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== Marathon ==

:Yeah, they're in ''Bungie''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s article, but they're not very encyclopedic on their own. Useful information has already been incorporated into the main body, so they kind of sit there on their own not fitting in with the rest. It makes it seem more real, yes, but this article is about the carbine, not an attempt to make it seem real. And Archive.org is sure to record those pages, so they won't be lost. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]^{([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])}</b> 18:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)