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The article says that ODSTs are recruited from the special forces branches of all the military services. But the only other special forces units I can find are Spartan. What other branches are there? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 21:35, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | The article says that ODSTs are recruited from the special forces branches of all the military services. But the only other special forces units I can find are Spartan. What other branches are there? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 21:35, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Presumable the Army, Air Force, Navy and regular Marine Corps maintain their own special forces. Then there are the special forces of the various human countries and colonies, including civilian special forces. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:31, August 27, 2010 (UTC) | :Presumable the Army, Air Force, Navy and regular Marine Corps maintain their own special forces. Then there are the special forces of the various human countries and colonies, including civilian special forces. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:31, August 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==ORION== | ==ORION== | ||
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The article suggests that the Marine deployment at Argyre Planitia was an orbital drop operation and connected to the inception of the ODSTs, as opposed to the UNSC Marine doctrine as a whole. I checked the timeline entry this supposition is based on, just to be sure. The timeline page on Xbox.com isn't up anymore, but luckily [http://halostory.bungie.org/halostory.timeline.html HBO has a copy]. | The article suggests that the Marine deployment at Argyre Planitia was an orbital drop operation and connected to the inception of the ODSTs, as opposed to the UNSC Marine doctrine as a whole. I checked the timeline entry this supposition is based on, just to be sure. The timeline page on Xbox.com isn't up anymore, but luckily [http://halostory.bungie.org/halostory.timeline.html HBO has a copy]. | ||
{{Article | {{Article Quote|A series of lightning strikes against Koslovic forces near the Argyre Planitia marked the first extra-terrestrial deployment of Marines. The campaign was an unqualified success. As a result, future military doctrine favored large contingents of Marines for ground assaults and ship-boarding actions.}} | ||
Note the wording "extra-terrestrial"; ''"any object or being beyond (extra-) the planet Earth (terrestrial)"''. | Note the wording "extra-terrestrial"; ''"any object or being beyond (extra-) the planet Earth (terrestrial)"''. | ||
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The way I understand this, it's referring to the first time marines were deployed outside Earth. There had been fighting on the Jovian Moons, but marines weren't necessarily involved; they could've just been local UN security forces. Alternatively, it may refer to the first time they were deployed outside a planet's atmosphere, but nowhere does it say it was the first time marines were dropped onto a planet in small pods. It could've been just dropship deployments, so the whole event has more to do with UNSC Marines in general than the origins of the ODSTs. | The way I understand this, it's referring to the first time marines were deployed outside Earth. There had been fighting on the Jovian Moons, but marines weren't necessarily involved; they could've just been local UN security forces. Alternatively, it may refer to the first time they were deployed outside a planet's atmosphere, but nowhere does it say it was the first time marines were dropped onto a planet in small pods. It could've been just dropship deployments, so the whole event has more to do with UNSC Marines in general than the origins of the ODSTs. | ||
Not only that, but the article also suggests the existence of a UN Marine Corps separate from the UNSC. The whole organization's existence is questionable at best; See Talk:United Nations Navy. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT) | Not only that, but the article also suggests the existence of a UN Marine Corps separate from the UNSC. The whole organization's existence is questionable at best; See [[Talk:United Nations Navy]]. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
==I think that...== | ==I think that...== | ||
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I haven't seen a bit of an ODST during Halo 4 campaign. Can someone confirm that they totally absent from both ''Infinity'' and Ivanoff? If confirmed, I think we have to mention that in the "Trivia" section. <strong>[[User:Lunaramethyst|<span style="font:23px Segoe script; color:darkgreen;">Λ</span>]]</strong><sup>[[User talk:Lunaramethyst|<span style="color:#4C997C">Want to speak ?</span>]]</sup> 08:23, 13 November 2012 (EST) | I haven't seen a bit of an ODST during Halo 4 campaign. Can someone confirm that they totally absent from both ''Infinity'' and Ivanoff? If confirmed, I think we have to mention that in the "Trivia" section. <strong>[[User:Lunaramethyst|<span style="font:23px Segoe script; color:darkgreen;">Λ</span>]]</strong><sup>[[User talk:Lunaramethyst|<span style="color:#4C997C">Want to speak ?</span>]]</sup> 08:23, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
:There aren't any ODST's aboard ''Infinity'' that we know of, or have seen. The Marines aboard the ship have only been infantry, tankers, and Force Recon and those aboard ''Ivanoff'' were ONI Marines (black armor). {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | :There aren't any ODST's aboard ''Infinity'' that we know of, or have seen. The Marines aboard the ship have only been infantry, tankers, and Force Recon and those aboard ''Ivanoff'' were ONI Marines (black armor). {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | ||
:I was a little disappointed, ODSTs have been in every Halo game since CE (while only technically in CE, not visually), hopefully they'll make a comeback in Halo 5. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 15:01, 13 November 2012 (EST) | :I was a little disappointed, ODSTs have been in every Halo game since CE (while only technically in CE, not visually), hopefully they'll make a comeback in Halo 5. [[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]][[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]][[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]] 15:01, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
::Or we could possibly be seeing the end of the ODST's. They were the baddest of the bad except for the Spartans, whose only major drawback was that there were so few of them. Now that the UNSC is producing Spartans in significant numbers, ODST's may no longer be necessary. Perhaps in the post-war UNSC, the best-of-the-best don't become ODST's, they become Spartans. As ODST Gage Yevgenny once said, "I'd seen the future of warfare, and I wasn't it."--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty '''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112 '''</span>]] 16:56, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ::Or we could possibly be seeing the end of the ODST's. They were the baddest of the bad except for the Spartans, whose only major drawback was that there were so few of them. Now that the UNSC is producing Spartans in significant numbers, ODST's may no longer be necessary. Perhaps in the post-war UNSC, the best-of-the-best don't become ODST's, they become Spartans. As ODST Gage Yevgenny once said, "I'd seen the future of warfare, and I wasn't it."--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty '''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112 '''</span>]] 16:56, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
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::They don't appear in the game because they would diminish the SPARTAN-IVs' grand introduction. According to the UNSC ''Infinity'' briefing packet, the ship has hundreds of SOEIV bays and a complement of over 8,000 Marines. Some of them must be ODSTs. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:40, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ::They don't appear in the game because they would diminish the SPARTAN-IVs' grand introduction. According to the UNSC ''Infinity'' briefing packet, the ship has hundreds of SOEIV bays and a complement of over 8,000 Marines. Some of them must be ODSTs. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:40, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
::Well, it is possible that the reason that the ODST division of the UNSC Marine Corps is not in Halo 4, is that they have been | ::Well, it is possible that the reason that the ODST division of the UNSC Marine Corps is not in Halo 4, is that they have been ''replaced" by the S-IV program. Also, it's possible that the ODSTS themselves aren't gone, that the UNSC turned them into the first generation of Spartan IVs,would the UNSC really waste the time and resources on training regular Marine units to be S-IVs when they have an elite special ops force that would requre minimum training.This may actually be the next evolution of the ODSTs, which would explain the Recruit helmets extreme similarity to the the helmet of the ODST BDU; it's similar and would help them adapt to being an S-IV. | ||
==Black dress uniform== | ==Black dress uniform== | ||
Why do the ODSTs in, "We are ODST" wear black uniforms instead of Dress Blues? Is it because they're ODSTs instead of regular Marines or is black for funerals | Why do the ODSTs in, "We are ODST" wear black uniforms instead of Dress Blues? Is it because they're ODSTs instead of regular Marines or is black for funerals? | ||