Editing Talk:ODST armor

==Untitled==
The ODSTs in Halo: The Flood wore marine armour from Halo Combat Evolved "The Lieutenant eyed the readout on the transparent boom-mounted eye-screen attached to her helmet," From page 63. This means it was that green transparent eye piece on the marines helmets, but in Halo 2 they wore that black body suit. Can anyone explain to me why that is? User:Joshua 029

Are there any references for anything in this article? I believe the ODSTs appear to be wearing standard Marine armor in ''The Flood'', so where does the description on this page come from?

The disciption on this page comes from: The Fall of Reach, p.79. --[[User:Uneven elephant|Uneven elephant]] 19:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
== Marine Armour ==

Shouldnt somebody put up an article on Marine combat armour? I'll write one, but i'll need some help adding it to Halopedia, because i'm not very...um...computer conscious, if you will.

The marine combat armor varies greatly between games.  Personally i feel it is much more futuristic in Halo than in halo 2.

===ODSTs Helments===
 Can a data chip be place inside the back of a ODST helment?Like Spartan helments.
I really like to know,thank you for reading;answering.--[[User talk:SPARTAN-124|SPARTAN-124]] 04:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)SPARTAN-124

: Yes, but not one that contains an AI; only Mark V and VI MJOLNIR armor have the mesh layer that can support an onboard AI. The crystal data chips the ODSTs use are only data chips that upload information into their helmet. The same goes for the standard Marine BDU; the helmet can accept a data chip with a small amount of information; for example, Marines and ODSTs can upload a map, like in ''ODST'', where the helmet could even download the map to the chip wirelessly. {{Signature/COD}}

== Spartan-II reference ==

''These suits were used by the Spartans before they received their MJOLNIR armor. They later fell into usage by the ODSTs and other special forces.''

Is this true? Can anyone give me a page number for this in ''The Fall of Reach''? I believe the Spartan-IIs wore black bodysuits on their first mission, but those were just generic bodysuits, not ODST uniforms.

Yes i think thats what it is not ODST armor just a generic body suit but they did say it was ucoftarable and tricky to repair.
:ODSTs have combat vests and equipmen on over their suits, but they are there. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 02:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

No,the spartans did not wear ODST battle armor on their first mission. it was a real tight black suit that would help them stay out of sight.--

Like a sneaking suit. No wonder they could seem normal despite being so tall, the sneaking suit means enemies can only see you if you're 15 fwwt in front of them. --[[User:Delta1138|Delta1138]] [[User_talk:Delta1138|SnooPING AS usual I see]] 16:06, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

==Split this article==
The discriptions of this page come from the black body suit, which is what the suits that the Spartans used in the rebel mission. The black body suits definetly arn't the ones that the ODSTs use in the present Halo Universe. If they could only deflect a small caliber round, then they'd get killed by the Covenant in one hit, but they don't: The ones the ODSTs use in the present Halo Universe are '''way''' more advanced. There is no conformation that the black body suit and the ODST armor is related. Another article should be created. --[[User:Uneven elephant|Uneven elephant]] 20:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:ODST's however, wear full body armor and combat equipment over their body suits, while Spartans wore just the suits for stealth purposes. If there is overwhelming support for the split though, the redirect can be undone. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halopedian.com/User:ED/Gaming<font color="000000">(gaming)]</font></sup></b> 00:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
::What? ''Full'' body armor ''and'' body suits? Whats the difference? The Spartans wore the body armor because there was too many places in the op with nothing to breath but vacuum, and they only wore them for that op, because of all the disadvantages, they were obsolete in ''2525'', the ODSTs use their ''armor'' in 2552'', so why would ODSTs even ''wear'' them? --[[User:Uneven elephant|Uneven elephant]] 01:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry your probably getting tired of this by now, but I think we are on two different pages, we need to straighten this out or something. --[[User:Uneven elephant|Uneven elephant]] 00:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

What I don't know what you guys are talking about. The normal marines can survive more than one hit usually. On the lower levels very easily [[User:Qwertyui606|Qwertyui606]] 02:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I have one question. how do we know that the body suits the Spartans wore are the same one ODSTs wear? They could be 2 entirely different types of body armor.[[User:Sgt. Fenix|Sgt. Fenix]] 22:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Guys, i am going to delete the whole "inability to protect against 5mm bullet" thing okay. If anybody has any reason why I shouldn't, tell me before Christmas.[[User:Sgt. Fenix|Sgt. Fenix]] 03:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that we should create a new article about the body suits that the spartans wore because I still think that they are different armor designs.

I'm gonna have to agree on splitting it. There isn't enough evidence that supports the ODSTs wearing of the Body Suit mentioned in the book. The dates of obseletion also strongly oppose the notion of them being used by ODSTs. I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't think we can justify blending the two articles. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 15:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

==Name==
Should I move this to "ODST Armour"? The above mentioned reasons seem to suggest that the body suit in FOR and ODST armour are entirely different... --[[User:TerminalFailure|TerminalFailure]] 15:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Move to "ODST Battle Armor" ==
I agree with the ones above about the name. The suit used by the Spartans in 2525 is definitely not the armor the ODSTs wear. Plus, "body suit" isn't the official name of the former, it was just referred to as a "black body suit" in the book, and was not given an official name. Also, it was extremely tight, so tight that coveralls could be fit on it. Could you fit coveralls over an ODST suit? I doubt it.

As these two are not related, it's extremely misleading and confusing to call the ODST suit "body suit". as the suit has never been offcially called with such name. "ODST Battle Armor" is a far more fitting name. And it should serve the purpose of making clear that the black body suit used by the spartans, and the ODST armor, aren't in fact the same suit.

This also debunks all claims about the ODST Battle Armor being airtight or vacuum-enabled, as it was all only based off the assumption that it was the same suit as in FoR. There hasn't been any mention of that elsewhere, or if there has, i've missed it. So, the "problem" about the exposed necks and fingers of the ODSTs has been solved.--[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 10:54, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

:I agree with all of this. However, I believe in the books it is stated that there is airtight underlay available that makes ODSTs operable in vacuum. {{Signature/COD}}

::True; The post was made back when the article was called "Body Suit" and I hadn't read The Cole Protocol where the armor's vacuum properties are explained. As a side note, I'm not sure if having "ballistic" in the article title is necessary. Most human armors in the Halo universe are ballistic in a sense, and in the context of the quote from The Flood, where the "ballistic" in the title comes from, the term is clearly used to describe a general property of the armor, not the suit's name.  --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 17:29, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

== CQB Variant? ==

I don't think Mickey's armor is the CQB variant, but Dutch's armor appears to be a lot more Close Quarters-oriented instead. I think it's even been said that he's a Close Quarters-type soldier, but even by looking at the extra bulk on his helmet compared to a normal ODST's helmet seems to be used for Close Quarters Combat. --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 00:38, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
:Well, the [http://www.bungie.net/projects/odst/asset_popup_viewer.aspx?at=51&cc=29&item=10 B.net description of the image] says "Close Qurters". However, what you say sounds plausible. But in that case, what else could Mickey's armor be called? Also, [[Michaels]] in [[Halo: Helljumper]] wears the same armor. Unless it's officially stated to be something else than Close-Quarters, i think we should keep it that way. Maybe Dutch's armor could be added to the article, under the variants section.--[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 05:54, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sure it was originally intended to be a Close Quarters variant before Dutch's armor was developed since it's concept art, but you're right; until we hear otherwise. --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 03:58, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
:Buck's armor looks more like CQB because of the knife. [[User talk:Mitchell Ensink|Mitchell Ensink]] 08:01, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

== Recon varient not specific to ONI use, ==

Didnt Romeo and Dutchs sergeant in Halo hell jumper wear the recon varient in the comic? so y is it stated as specificly for ONI useage?

:It's assumed that only ONI utilizes it, but I don't believe [[Frost]] used the Recon variant. I haven't read Helljumpers, but the image in the gallery shows her wearing a normal ODST BDU. --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 04:13, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
:[[Veronica Dare]] is the only ONI ODST that I know of; she's also the only one I know of who wears the Recon helmet. {{Signature/COD}}

== Wrist-Device in The Babysitter ==

Is this something we should make note of? I'm not exactly sure what to call it, or what exactly it can do besides find lost teammates. --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 03:31, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Not until something comes out to identify what it is and what function it serves. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 03:34, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

== Dosn't make any  sense ==

Why doesn't the UNSC give all their marines this armor? It's so much better than their old armor.
The ODST should war the SPI armor in my opinion--RAWR THE COOKIE MONSTA! 01:10, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

:Go check the [[Talk:Orbital Drop Shock Trooper|ODST Talk Page]]. Read it. You'll understand why then. If you don't... well, that's on you. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 01:27, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

== Helmet Visor?? == 
Isn't the helmet visor has a blue hue?, sorry if bad english

[[User:Rodri8032|-Rodri8032]] 21:02, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys, I'm not really sure if this has already been brought up but it's been on my mind for some time now. You know in Halo 3: ODST, how the visors (their face) of the odsts in the cutscenes seem to go from being see through to being black again? (Not talking about visor mode, I'm talking about the actual "face" of the helmet) How do they do that? Is it part of their neural interface or something, so when they think about it the visor changes?

Help would be appreciated!

-Anon
:It's not official, but a theory is that the visor is coated with [[wikipedia:Organic light emitting diode|OLEDs]], which would allow it to darken on-demand. This is probably also how the VISR mode works.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 20:12, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

== Reach ==

The ODST helmet has been uncovered in the Reach beta files, but also, as of the last weekly update, we see a Spartan wearing ODST shoulder pads. Perhaps in Reach we will be able to use essentially all the ODST BDU armor pieces. [[User talk:Wrath of Z|Wrath of Z]] 03:56, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

I also saw that, and I hope they keep it in the game. It would be pretty cool to wear full ODST armor without playing [[Halo 3: ODST]]. --''"Why am I here and what the hell are you?"''[[User: Yugiohtipman34|The guy who hates his username.]] 04:53, June 5, 2010 (UTC)



Agreed, ODST is by far my favorite armor.[[User talk:Wrath of Z|Wrath of Z]] 02:50, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Um? ==

Why is there a picture in the gallery of the Rookie's crotch?

::its not a picture of his crotch its just the gallery size isn't correct. It's something someone with better knowledge of the new gallery system is going to have to fix. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 02:12, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

==Move to "ODST armor"==
I know it was I who moved this to the current title back in the day, but I think the title could do well without the "battle" part, mainly for two reasons. First, the title is merely a description, as there is no official name given for the armor. Second, having "battle" there is simply unnecessary. It's not like the ODSTs use body armor ''not'' intended for battle purposes. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:56, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

:I'll second that, same reasons. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:05, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

::{{Support}} - Per Jugus and Alex T Snow. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 11:55, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

== Year of introduction ==

Do we have any idea of what year this armor was introduced? I'm pretty sure they've never said the exact year itself but do we have a rough idea? I'm fairly sure it was sometime before the Mark IV but how long before?--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.91.215|210.56.91.215]] 06:45, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

:The helmet has been around since at least 2517, as seen in ''Fall of Reach - Boot Camp''. The BDU has been around since at least 2531, but it was probably introduced earlier. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 10:08, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

==Better Picture Maybe?==

Could someone do a transparent cutout render of the ODST BDU armor from ''Halo: Reach'' for this article, maybe as the new introductory image, or put in the Gallery section of the article as some kind of reference and/or comparison? I'm presently working on it in my spare time when I have the chance and the time to do it, but if someone else could get on it would be great too, not to mention that someone might be able to do a better job than I can do.  [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 17:36, 6 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:Somewhat related question: How does one go about making those cutout renders with a perfect white background? [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:19, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

::Not sure what you're trying to ask, but will try to answer as best as I can: an image to manipulate, Adobe Photoshop CS5, in Photoshop begin with either a white background (save as JPEG), or a transparent background (save as PNG or GIF; preferably PNG), go back to screenshot and select the person or object in question using Quick Selection tool, then copy and paste into new document with white background or transparent canvas, save as JPG, PNG, or GIF. Everyone here has been doing it! [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 18:40, 6 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
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 I really like to know,thank you for reading;answering.--[[User talk:SPARTAN-124|SPARTAN-124]] 04:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)SPARTAN-124
-: Yes, but not one that contains an AI; only Mark V and VI MJOLNIR armor have the mesh layer that can support an onboard AI. The crystal data chips the ODSTs use are only data chips that upload information into their helmet. The same goes for the standard Marine BDU; the helmet can accept a data chip with a small amount of information; for example, Marines and ODSTs can upload a map, like in ''ODST'', where the helmet could even download the map to the chip wirelessly.  COD}}
+: Yes, but not one that contains an AI; only Mark V and VI MJOLNIR armor have the mesh layer that can support an onboard AI. The crystal data chips the ODSTs use are only data chips that upload information into their helmet. The same goes for the standard Marine BDU; the helmet can accept a data chip with a small amount of information; for example, Marines and ODSTs can upload a map, like in ''ODST'', where the helmet could even download the map to the chip wirelessly. {{Signature/COD}}
 == Spartan-II reference ==
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 This also debunks all claims about the ODST Battle Armor being airtight or vacuum-enabled, as it was all only based off the assumption that it was the same suit as in FoR. There hasn't been any mention of that elsewhere, or if there has, i've missed it. So, the "problem" about the exposed necks and fingers of the ODSTs has been solved.--[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 10:54, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
-:I agree with all of this. However, I believe in the books it is stated that there is airtight underlay available that makes ODSTs operable in vacuum.  COD}}
+:I agree with all of this. However, I believe in the books it is stated that there is airtight underlay available that makes ODSTs operable in vacuum. {{Signature/COD}}
 ::True; The post was made back when the article was called "Body Suit" and I hadn't read The Cole Protocol where the armor's vacuum properties are explained. As a side note, I'm not sure if having "ballistic" in the article title is necessary. Most human armors in the Halo universe are ballistic in a sense, and in the context of the quote from The Flood, where the "ballistic" in the title comes from, the term is clearly used to describe a general property of the armor, not the suit's name.  --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 17:29, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
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 :It's assumed that only ONI utilizes it, but I don't believe [[Frost]] used the Recon variant. I haven't read Helljumpers, but the image in the gallery shows her wearing a normal ODST BDU. --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 04:13, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
-:[[Veronica Dare]] is the only ONI ODST that I know of; she's also the only one I know of who wears the Recon helmet.  COD}}
+:[[Veronica Dare]] is the only ONI ODST that I know of; she's also the only one I know of who wears the Recon helmet. {{Signature/COD}}
 == Wrist-Device in The Babysitter ==
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 ::Not sure what you're trying to ask, but will try to answer as best as I can: an image to manipulate, Adobe Photoshop CS5, in Photoshop begin with either a white background (save as JPEG), or a transparent background (save as PNG or GIF; preferably PNG), go back to screenshot and select the person or object in question using Quick Selection tool, then copy and paste into new document with white background or transparent canvas, save as JPG, PNG, or GIF. Everyone here has been doing it! [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 18:40, 6 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-:::Okay cool! I don't have Photoshop, but I have used it and know what you're talking about, thanks :) [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:03, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
-::::I'll get on taking the picture. I'll use the scene where the ODST is saluting Noble Six. I could take two at the same position, except one's taking the bottom half, the other the top, then fit them together so the picture's bigger. I've done that before with cartoons when you've got that panning up shot.[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 05:20, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
-:::::Damn camera's too fidgetty to do it right. But here are four fully body screenshots I took of them. [http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=24065347&player=Fairfieldfencer] [http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=24065353&player=Fairfieldfencer] [http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=24065349&player=Fairfieldfencer] [http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=24065350&player=Fairfieldfencer] Two without him saluting in different zooms and two with him saluting in different zooms. I gave him a Magnum so had the smallest weapon I could possibly find and a weird glitch happened where the Magnum is floating next to his hand, so we have a weaponless ODST.[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 06:35, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
-::::::Thank you very much. One of these should do nicely. Gotta go--work to be done. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 14:40, 7 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-== Regarding the "Unidentified variant" seen in Helljumper ==
-I think this "unidentified variant" is the result of artistic liberty taken by the artist, like all other designs in comics, and not intended to create a new variant. Also, that paragraph seems to take [[:File:Gretchen fight.png|this flashback]] a bit out of context: if one were to inspect the next frame below that flashback, the ODST armor worn by the three characters is more along the lines of the standard ODST armor. I don't see any mix with the Marine BDU in any of the frames. I suggest removing the entire subsection.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  06:19, 8 July 2013 (EDT)
-== ODST-Recon Variant ==
-Though it isn't functionally exact, you can recreate the ODST variant in Halo 4 by (obviously) using Recon helmet, GEN2 Soldier pauldrons and preferably the Midnight visor. It doesn't take over much of the basic ODST Battle Armor. --[[User:SpartanS36|SpartanS36]] ([[User talk:SpartanS36|talk]]) 17:43, 4 September 2013 (EDT)
-:Yeah... or you could download the [[Champions Bundle]] (or just the [[Champions Bundle#Infinity Armor Pack|Infinity Armor Pack]]) and get the '''''real''''' ODST armor.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 18:07, 4 September 2013 (EDT)
-::"Yeah" or you could realize I'm talking about a customization and not about recreating the baseline ODST. [[User:SpartanS36|SpartanS36]] ([[User talk:SpartanS36|talk]]) 16:31, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
-== Current Armor? ==
-So, I'm confused on what the ODST armor would look like Post-War. I'm lead to believe that, because of the Mjolnir ODST variants, they would use a Halo 3-Halo 3: ODST style armor. However, there was the ODST in Escalation that wore Halo 2 style armor. Is there any way of knowing which armor they use?
---Look at the image we got during Hunt the Truth -Japeth555
-:Given that the Void Dancer armour was designed as a future ODST armour, not to mention the updated ODST, Nightfall and Helljumper suits, future ODSTs may very well be indistinguishable, visually, from Spartans. Maybe not as tall, but equipped with the same or similar gear, which I thoroughly approve of. As for the current in-universe look, I'd say some units have different BDUs because of supply and maintenance limitations. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:38, 7 March 2016 (EST)
-Alright. Seems reasonable. Thanks.
-== the Halo 2/Halo 2 Anniversary variant ==
-Since the light type of armor seen in Halo 2 has been show too in Halo 2 Anniversary (has a slightly different variant, possible a non pressurized model) Hunt The Truth and in Escalation, is clear that it is still canon, shouldn't it be in the variants section too? --[[User:Zen-158|Zen-158]] ([[User talk:Zen-158|talk]]) 13:12, 16 May 2016 (EDT)