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Is the DoA stats table really useful? It seems to kind of push away the real article. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 03:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Is the DoA stats table really useful? It seems to kind of push away the real article. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 03:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
: I agree the table is nice idea just not that ugly ass one.  I like this format:
: I agree the table is nice idea just not that ugly ass one.  I like this format:
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<nowiki>[[Wikipedia:NAME OF ARTICLE]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Wikipedia:NAME OF ARTICLE]]</nowiki>
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-- [[User:Manticore|<b><span style="color: black">Manticore</span></b>]] File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] [[User talk:Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">Talk</span></sup>]]<sup> | </sup>[[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">CSV</span></sup>]] 04:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
-- [[User:Manticore|<b><span style="color: black">Manticore</span></b>]] [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] [[User talk:Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">Talk</span></sup>]]<sup> | </sup>[[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">CSV</span></sup>]] 04:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 17:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 17:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


== Non-canon issue ==
== Non-canon issue ==


If she's non canon, then she doesn't comply to the Halopedia Canon policy. Her deletion should be imminent, however it seems that alot of Halopedian officials are disregarding their own rules. So, what we gonna do? [[User:Spartan 107|Spartan 107]] 01:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
If she's non canon, then she doesn't comply to the Halopedia Canon Policy. Her deletion should be imminent, however it seems that alot of Halopedian officials are disregarding their own rules. So, what we gonna do? [[User:Spartan 107|Spartan 107]] 01:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


:She fits the semi-canon storyline in ilovebees. It is not the canon storyline, but is notable as it was created by Bungie. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:She fits the semi-canon storyline in ilovebees. It is not the canon storyline, but is notable as it was created by Bungie. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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that seems like pulling strings to me...bending something into an image of what its not just for someones own liking. Also, I thought that Bungie approved 458, but did not create her. Im personally okay with Nicole having a page, since she is recognized by Bungie, but the DoA4 page, barely even mentions Nicole 458 and is barely connected to the halo universe; except through a non-canon character that is. [[User:Spartan 107|Spartan 107]] 02:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
that seems like pulling strings to me...bending something into an image of what its not just for someones own liking. Also, I thought that Bungie approved 458, but did not create her. Im personally okay with Nicole having a page, since she is recognized by Bungie, but the DoA4 page, barely even mentions Nicole 458 and is barely connected to the halo universe; except through a non-canon character that is. [[User:Spartan 107|Spartan 107]] 02:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


:They built her backstory, which tied into the [[ilovebees]] universe. The ILB universe was written by [[4orty2wo Entertainment]], and was overseen by Bungie. See also the debate on [[Talk:i love bees|talk:I Love Bees]]. (We can discuss DoA4 on the relevant page.) --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 03:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:They built her backstory, which tied into the [[ilovebees]] universe. The ILB universe was written by [[4orty2wo Entertainment]], and was overseen by Bungie. See also the debate on [[talk:I Love Bees]]. (We can discuss DoA4 on the relevant page.) --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 03:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The reason she exists is because Bungie did not want DoA4 to use the Master Chief as the SPARTAN character they wanted, for story reasons. So they created Nicole and gave her a back story that, despite a few consistency issues (which a lot of events have anyway), fits in with the ilovebees time-space anomaly. If ilovebees is to be considered canon, then why does Nicole get classified as non-canon just because she appears in a non-Halo game? Also, if the DoA-Halo connection event was ''meant'' to be non-canon, then they could easily have allowed John to be the playable character instead of making a new one, since it would not impact his role in the Halo story at all.
The reason she exists is because Bungie did not want DoA4 to use the Master Chief as the SPARTAN character they wanted, for story reasons. So they created Nicole and gave her a back story that, despite a few consistency issues (which a lot of events have anyway), fits in with the ilovebees time-space anomaly. If ilovebees is to be considered canon, then why does Nicole get classified as non-canon just because she appears in a non-Halo game? Also, if the DoA-Halo connection event was ''meant'' to be non-canon, then they could easily have allowed John to be the playable character instead of making a new one, since it would not impact his role in the Halo story at all.


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In the same area of subject, the accident which put her in the Dead or Alive universe could have also put a Spartan in the Fable universe ([[http://halopedian.com/Hal%27s_Armor|Hal]]). [[User:Ahalosniper]]
In the same area of subject, the accident which put her in the Dead or Alive universe could have also put a Spartan in the Fable universe ([[http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Hal%27s_Armor|Hal]]). [[User:Ahalosniper]]


== 370 lbs? ==
== 370 lbs? ==
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== Weight ==
== Weight ==
{{Quote|Her weight unarmored has been conjectured. As Elites weigh around 317 lb. It states she weighs 370, this is obviously an error or typo, 270 would be more correct.|Lord Lycan}}
{{Quote|Her weight unarmored has been conjectured. As Elites weigh around 317 lb. It states she weighs 370, this is obviously an error or typo, 270 would be more correct.|Lord Lycan}}


<s>Remember, she's wearing MJOLNIR, not the Elite combat harness. Covenant armour would doubtless be more compact and lighter, but UNSC MJOLNIR would be much bulkier and heavier. There's a reason only Spartans can use them. :P -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 21:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)</s>
<s>Remember, she's wearing MJOLNIR, not the Elite combat harness. Covenant armour would doubtless be more compact and lighter, but UNSC MJOLNIR would be much bulkier and heavier. There's a reason only Spartans can use them. :P -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 21:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)</s>


NM, I just saw the "unarmoured" section. Gah, curse my early morning reading eyes... -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
NM, I just saw the "unarmoured" section. Gah, curse my early morning reading eyes... -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


== 7 reference. ==
== 7 reference. ==


Here name tag has a reference to 7. 8-5=3 3+4=7 or 5-4=1 8-1=7. Should we add this to trivia? Although this may be accidental. [[User talk:Steahl Senka|Steahl Senka]] 12:06, 8 January 2011 (EST)
Here name tag has a reference to 7. 8-5=3 3+4=7 or 5-4=1 8-1=7. Should we add this to trivia? Although this may be accidental. [[User talk:Steahl Senka|Steahl Senka]] 12:06, 8 January 2011 (EST)
== How Old is She? ==
The SPARTAN II page states that Nicole-458 here is a survivor of the augmentations for Class II. Same page also states that Class II started in 2531 but Halsey dropped all funding and judged the recruits as from an inferior strand. 2537, six years later, and enough viable recruits join the program and training begins. Nicole survives augmentation. By 2552, doing the math, she's only 15 years old. If she was part of that "inferior strand" back in 2531, then she would be about 21 years old. Are there any sources that state her age? As she is apparently canon in Bungie/343i's eyes, I feel like this is useful information not just for this article but for the SPARTAN II article as well, since it also helps clarify the canonicity of Class II. 15 year old SPARTANs just aren't ready for combat. At least, I would think not. Is she 15 or 21?
:If she was born in 2531, she'd have been six when the second class started in 2537, and 21 in 2552. The Spartans weren't conscripted as newborns so I don't see the problem. Also, the original Spartan-IIs were deployed into combat when they were 14, and most of the Spartan-IIIs were only 12, some likely younger than that. Not that any of this really helps clarify the canon status of the second class, though. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:44, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

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