Editing Talk:Musa Ghanem

== Biography Information not updated to initiation issue 3==
The biography is not updated to the new halo initiation issue 3. I think it's important to add that Musa is responsible for the independence of the spartan branch as we can understand reading the last pages of the comic. I added this: 
"During this council Musa established the creation of the [[Spartan Operations|Spartan]] branch as an independent [[UNSC]] branch, just like [[Navy]], [[Army]], [[Marines]] and [[Air Force]], considering this the bill [[Navy]] (and [[ONI]]) had to pay for to the success achieved by the SPARTAN-IVs in saving {{UNSCShip|Infinity}} from the [[Insurrectionist]] attack."
but it has been removed. 
I recommend to re-add this important information.{{Unsigned|Codename: USUAL SUSPECTS}}

p.s: because I haven't received any reply, I added the sentence by myself. If you want to edit, please keep this information, instead of removing it completely like before.{{Unsigned|Codename: USUAL SUSPECTS}}

:It has been sufficiently covered in the biography, unless it is spelt word for word in ''Initiation'' that he also proposed the SIV to be independent from other branches... — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  17:34, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

What???
It is said in initiation 3 that he established the independence of the spartan branch. 
"Now you will pay the bill that is due. 
As of today spartans stand on their own.
Not as navy or oni assets.
We are our own branch. As of now.
Spartans like Navy, or Army, or Marines, are UNSC"
Or do you think it's not important? Also some halo 4 limited edition content mentions the spartan branch independence...{{Unsigned|Codename: USUAL SUSPECTS}}

And done. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  14:42, 17 October 2013 (EDT)

Great, thank you. [[User:Codename: USUAL SUSPECTS|Codename: USUAL SUSPECTS]] ([[User talk:Codename: USUAL SUSPECTS|talk]]) 07:35, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Name ==

The full name came kinda out of the left field since he's been calling himself "Musa-096" in all prior sources. Likewise, everyone just calls him Musa rather than "Rear Admiral Ghanem". Could it be a PR thing, where he's adopted his Spartan name to emphasize his identity as a Spartan and to build solidarity with the personnel in his branch? --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2016 (EDT)

:I don't think he's thrown the "096" on there, has he? He's just been commander Musa to the spartans in New Blood and Lessons Learned, iirc.[[User:Japeth555|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555|talk]]) 06:39, 27 October 2016 (EDT)Japeth555

::Jun identifies him as "Musa-096" in ''Initiation'', where one of the Spartan-IV recruits is (somehow) able to tell it's an S-II designation. But you're right, he's just "Musa" in ''New Blood'', ''Lessons Learned'', and Locke's classified orders in the ''Halo 5'' LE. It is a little odd that he always goes by his first name if he has a surname (even in official documents like Locke's orders), though it could also be that 343i are introducing it as a retcon of sorts. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 08:40, 27 October 2016 (EDT)

Well, think about it. He grew up without that last name. He didn't learn it until later in life, after he failed the augmentations and possibly much later after that even.[[User:Japeth555|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555|talk]]) 08:53, 27 October 2016 (EDT)Japeth555

:I get the impression it may be an alias, like Serin Osman. My main issue isn't necessarily his own use of the name (or lack thereof), it's how official documents are apparently conflicting on its usage - if he has a legit surname that's actually used in formal contexts like the Loot Crate data drop, why did Locke's classified orders say "Rear Admiral Musa" rather than "Rear Admiral Ghanem"? Him personally preferring to only use his first name in the post-war era would make ''some'' sense as to explaining why no one uses his surname, though it doesn't fully explain the "Rear Admiral Musa" in Locke's order sheet. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 10:04, 27 October 2016 (EDT)
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	:I get the impression it may be an alias, like Serin Osman. My main issue isn't necessarily his own use of the name (or lack thereof), it's how official documents are apparently conflicting on its usage - if he has a legit surname that's actually used in formal contexts like the Loot Crate data drop, why did Locke's classified orders say "Rear Admiral Musa" rather than "Rear Admiral Ghanem"? Him personally preferring to only use his first name in the post-war era would make ''some'' sense as to explaining why no one uses his surname, though it doesn't fully explain the "Rear Admiral Musa" in Locke's order sheet. --[[User:Jugus\|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus\|talk]]) 10:04, 27 October 2016 (EDT)		:I get the impression it may be an alias, like Serin Osman. My main issue isn't necessarily his own use of the name (or lack thereof), it's how official documents are apparently conflicting on its usage - if he has a legit surname that's actually used in formal contexts like the Loot Crate data drop, why did Locke's classified orders say "Rear Admiral Musa" rather than "Rear Admiral Ghanem"? Him personally preferring to only use his first name in the post-war era would make ''some'' sense as to explaining why no one uses his surname, though it doesn't fully explain the "Rear Admiral Musa" in Locke's order sheet. --[[User:Jugus\|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus\|talk]]) 10:04, 27 October 2016 (EDT)

	::He also didn't become a rear admiral until sometime after the incident with Schein in 2554. As I see it, he was simply referred to by his full name in official channels until his promotion. It makes sense that among fellow spartans he would also present himself and be presented as Musa-096 before that.[[User:Japeth555\|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555\|talk]]) 10:13, 27 October 2016 (EDT)Japeth555