Editing Talk:Miranda Keyes

==seperation from arbiter, johnson, and miranda==
how come 343 does not apear in halo 3 until the the 5th level even though he was with johnson, miranda, and the arbiter at the end of halo 2?

he stayed with rtas vadum to help fight the flood and give advise.

==question?== 
how do the Arbiter, Johnson, and miranda get back to earth from delta halo and how come in halo three you dont find 343 guilty spark until the 5th level because at the end of the second game he was with the arbiter, johnson and miranda



When does it say that Chief and Keyes have a sibling-like relationship? the whole "mother of Miranda" thing is absurd, remove it

over and out,

--[[user:SPARTAN-077|SPARTAN-077]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Talk]])</sup>[[Image:char_riza.jpg|15px]] 02:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

hey someones mixing up there facts my guess is that the person was reading a certain  fanfic meh--[[User:Plasmatag|Plasmatag]] 00:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Everyone DOES know that she's holding an M6G pistol and an M90 shotgun in the trailer...right??? [[User:Poison headcrab|Poison headcrab]] 21:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah i noticed that. if she can DW a shotgun and pistol, why cant MC?

:I think its just for affect because in reality would be next to impossible to DW a shotgun and pistol -- [[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 19:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Does it really sound plausible that (even in the early script) she would betray MC by strapping a bomb to him and shoving him down a hole? Sounds kinda lame.--[[User:DanTheTall93|DanTheTall93]] 23:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Miranda may have been a different character entirely at this point, and remember that Jason Jones was probably feeling kind of bitter towards women at that point. -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 02:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

The article says that in Halo 3, Miranda's a captain. Perhaps of her ship (currently crashed...), but her rank is still Commander.[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 22:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

miranda seemed to gain some weight...lol something i thought i'd point out haha [[User:Hollywood101x|Hollywood]] 08:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

What I dont understand is: How in the world did she, Johnson and Arbiter ever make it back to Earth? I didnt read Halo: Uprising, so maybe the answer was in there. But if it wasn't, then how? [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 22:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Rtas 'Vadum was capturing that ship, remember?  He must have been successful, rallied some Covenant ships to head to Earth and brought the Arbiter, Johnson, Miranda, and Guilty Spark with him.  The ship he captured, is likely, in my opinion to be the Shadow of Intent.  Who knows, it's likely that the Arbiter, the Elites and the Humans had to work together to board it afterwards. 

[[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 04:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Posibility of Keyes in future Halo sequel? Her body was rescued by Johnson, Is it possible that a AI construct could have been made from her mind.
A future Halo (not that i expect to see one this game generation) could feature her bringing the MC and cortana up to speed as to whats gone on in the UNSC since there dispearence?

==Miranda's Mother==

Has anyone taken a look at the Halo 3 instruction manual yet? Anyone taken a look at the pictures of Cortana and Miranda? Notice a resemblance? If Cortana was created from Dr. Halsey's flash-cloned brain, I think this adds fuel to the speculation fire that Dr. Halsey is Miranda's mother.

I am not having anymore specualtions of her mother, it's pathetic. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 12:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have to agree that Halsey is Miranda's mother.  It's quite evident in the novels that feelings are shared between Keyes and Halsey.  It just makes sense.

==Johnson and Keyes==

When Keyes died, Johnson was slowly stroking her body and looking like he lost something special to him... what do you guys think... I have 2 things.
1. Johnson lost another Keyes and therefore remembered her father
2. Johnson and Keyes had a WAY more than professional relationship... which is unlikely...

[[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 01:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you're merely suggesting Johnson is actually in love with Miranda Keyes. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 11:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah basically. [[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 21:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I have thought of that, but I don't think MK actually register it. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 11:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I would reckon Johnson's feelings over his death is linked to the Jacob's death.  Twice he tasked himself with the protection of a beloved commander and might blame himself for both of their deaths.  In Halo CE he might feel guilty that he did not recognize the foreboding signs in the area and allow Keyes to come and become infected.  Also Johnson is getting on in his years and would be cradle robbing essentially the daughter of a friend of equal age.

In the Audio Commentary of the Halo 2 cutscenes on the Legendary Edition of Halo 3, the developers joked that Johnson and Miranda were to have a "thing".  Of course when it was suggested in the offices, it was suggested as a joke, just as it was in the commentary.  I think it has more to do with the fact that he couldn't protect two famous military leaders/he became a quasi-father figure to Miranda during the war. 

[[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 04:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll go with that. Hey, did the Master Chief's shoulders seem kinda slumped when he was looking at them? My TV's too small to tell. [[User:Imperialscouts]]

Yeah, they did, actually. [[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 02:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I wonder...do any of you think that means anything? (Sorry, I'm bored and need to look at evey possible and improbable thing in the game.)

I think MC feels horrible too, just like Johnson... failing to save the Keyes family sort of thing.

[[User:Imperialscouts]]

:Yeah, it does. It simply means that Master Chief was sad. It was evident in his body language - and even more so when SgtMaj. Johnson was killed. I've no doubt in my mind that he had shed some tears over both of their deaths. <span style="color:#4C8844">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 13:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


Hey guys, this has nothing to do with this, but i knocked her down, like sgnt johnson and arbiter do, and started to teabag, and i hear "Chief, not here..."

i swear to gosh this is real and not a joke
[[User:Unggoy117]]

unless you want to tell me HOW to knock her down (because she is invincible) I won't think you are telling the truth [[User:Imperialscouts]]

== Relationship w/ Johnson ==

I'm pretty sure his grief was due to failing to protect both father and daughter. As for Halsey being her mother, I guess its possible, but I highly doubt it.
[[User:Don113|Don113]] 02:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)Don113

I think they were in a relationship. How often does a commander of a ship abandon her crew to save only one soldier? And then when Johnson told her to shoot him, she couldn't. Then Johnson started to grieve and stroke her body...[[User:Holy Swordsman|MaiL]] 02:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 
The halo array was about to wipe out her entire species, I think her acts were rational.[[User:HALOnapster|HALOnapster]] 01:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The fact that she couldn't shoot him, is because, this might be a bomb for you, he was her friend, and might possibly look upon him as father like figure after the death of her own father. And Johnson most likelly stroke her body because of that, and as mentioned above, feeling bad about not managing to protect her.

== Rank insignia mishap ==

So, Miranda is a commander, the rank equivalent to the rank of lieutenant colonel in the Marine Corps. Both ranks feature a silver oak leaf as the rank's insignia. The ranks of major and lieutenant commander have gold oak leafs. If you look on Miranda's collar in Halo 3 (I don't know if it's the same in Halo 2, haven't tried to check), as well as the image on the article, her insignia is of a gold oak leaf, not a silver. This would indicate she's a lieutenant commander, rather than commander. {{Signatures/Chiafriend12}} 22:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Would a lieutenant commander referred to as commander? (Like Master Chief instead of Master Chief Petty Officer.) And the ranking system may have changed. [[User:Imperialscouts]]

:Well, I read on Wikipedia (which isn't a reliable source, as with all wikis) that in the USMC, soldiers are referred to by their full rank. For example, instead of calling a gunnery sergeant a sergeant, they'd usually be called by their full rank, "gunnery sergeant". Though, it is 545 years in the future, and ranks and insignia could've been changed many times. {{Signatures/Chiafriend12}} 00:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

::We aren't soldiers, we're Marines. Secondly, you're right, we do call them by their full rank. We have our own informal names for some of them, but none of them involve calling them something that is actually below their rank (such as calling anyone above the grade of Sergeant a Sergeant). <span style="color:#4C8844">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 13:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

::Its unlikely that keyes was demoted between Halo 2 and Halo 3. However, it should be noted that there are two different symbols for each rank in the navy: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_officer_rank_insignia Rank Symbols and shoulder boards]. Note than all shoulder boards have a little gold trinked on them that resembles the gold leaf of a Major; perhaps you mistook what it actually was. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]][[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 00:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah well why would she be demoted? Cuz she had the guts to chase a Covenant carrier when no one else in the Home Fleet did? Cuz she made an attempt to beat the Prophets to the Index? What did she ever do to get demoted? And now of all times, when Earth is in severe danger? It'd better be a mistake, cuz if Miranda did get demoted, I will travel to the year 2552 and shoot the Admiral that did it.

:::I'm no expert on the subject, but I believe that even Lieutenant Commanders are referred to as "Commander" informally. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

::::That is correct, but im reasonably sure that Keyes is a full commander. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]][[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 04:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

In this image from Halo 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_officer_rank_insignia), you can see that she has silver oak leaves, indicating a full commander, as do the three gold stripes of equal length. I think Bungie just got it wrong, just like Capt. Keyes in Halo:CE.--[[User:Eion|Eion]] 06:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I really think that Miranda's a full commander, and that Bungie just made (another) mistake with Halo 3. If she was a Lt. Cdr, I'm sure they would have called her that at least once. I mean, if they have time to say "Sergeant Major" to Johnson, they could say "Lieutenant Commander" to Miranda. We can't just start making drastic changes due to small details. {{Arby116Sig}}

Miranda Keyes in Halo 3 has a collar insignia, shoulder boards and sleave insignia.  It is speculated that since she has a gold oak leaf, the insigna for a Lt. Commander, that she might have been demoted.  If that were the case, you would think it would be reflected in her other rank insignia.  Three gold stripes, however, is the proper count for a Commander.  Likely they just goofed up on the collar device.  This is another case similar to Jacob Keyes having O-3 insignia (Captain in EVERY other branch of service) as opposed to O-6 insignia (Captain in the Navy).
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+==seperation from arbiter, johnson, and miranda==
+how come 343 does not apear in halo 3 until the the 5th level even though he was with johnson, miranda, and the arbiter at the end of halo 2?
-== More images? ==
+he stayed with rtas vadum to help fight the flood and give advise.
-I was just looking up images of Miranda around the web, and there's a pathetically small number of them around, and those few available are endlessly circulated. Does anyone have additional images or screen captures that may be used for this page?[[User talk:Fire Eater|Fire Eater]] 23:01, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
-I agree. there are a few images in the Halo Encyclopedia that could be used.
+==question?==
+how do the Arbiter, Johnson, and miranda get back to earth from delta halo and how come in halo three you dont find 343 guilty spark until the 5th level because at the end of the second game he was with the arbiter, johnson and miranda
-== Mother ==
-According to the journal from the limited and legendary editions of Reach Halsey is Miranda's mother. someone who has the information should add it to the article. <span style="font-family: Halo3 ; Font-size: 135%; color:#800002;">FATGUNN</span> 23:39, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
-Yea I took care of it. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 16:54, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
+When does it say that Chief and Keyes have a sibling-like relationship? the whole "mother of Miranda" thing is absurd, remove it
-Why would Miranda's surname be Halsey? If Jacob was her father, then she should have been born as Miranda Keyes. Arby116
+over and out,
-Her parents did not marry, and she lived with her mother. Its been stated that her relationship with her father was never great. [[User talk:VARGR|VARGR]] 13:06, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
+--[[user:SPARTAN-077|SPARTAN-077]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Talk]])</sup>[[Image:char_riza.jpg|15px]] 02:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
-:Her surname would still not be Halsey. There is insufficient proof that says so. All we know is that she had her name legally changed but we are never given her birth name. Her birth name could be anything. It could even be Miranda Curtana...- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 13:12, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
+hey someones mixing up there facts my guess is that the person was reading a certain  fanfic meh--[[User:Plasmatag|Plasmatag]] 00:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
-Sorry if I'm behind but.... That's why Miranda looks so damn similar to Cortana!? EM
+Everyone DOES know that she's holding an M6G pistol and an M90 shotgun in the trailer...right??? [[User:Poison headcrab|Poison headcrab]] 21:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
-:: Continueing SubTank disscusion: If Keyes wasn't around when Halsey gave birth to Miranda, then Dr. halsey would have been the one to name her, including her last name. Keyes was probably on duty at the time anyway. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 02:51, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
+yeah i noticed that. if she can DW a shotgun and pistol, why cant MC?
-Yes it's even mentioned by Halsey in her journal that Cortana looks quite like Miranda. The fact that she mentioned this at all means that Halsey has a genetic relationship with Miranda, otherwise such a comment would make little sense, with Cortana being derived from Halsey's brain. --[[User talk:Darthkillyou|-dky]] 22:26, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
+:I think its just for affect because in reality would be next to impossible to DW a shotgun and pistol -- [[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 19:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
+Does it really sound plausible that (even in the early script) she would betray MC by strapping a bomb to him and shoving him down a hole? Sounds kinda lame.--[[User:DanTheTall93|DanTheTall93]] 23:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
+:Miranda may have been a different character entirely at this point, and remember that Jason Jones was probably feeling kind of bitter towards women at that point. -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 02:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
-Just to be clear, when any child is born to an unwed mother, the child takes his or her mother's last name by default, so Miranda would have been born Miranda Halsey. Like Miranda did, the child can obviously get the name changed later, but taking the mother's last name is the norm unless the mother is married (in which case the child automatically takes the father's last name). Also, there are subtle details in Halsey's journal that are far more definitive in demonstrating that Miranda is indeed her daughter than what has been discussed so far - just got to pay more attention to some of the scribbles Halsey writes on the margins of her journal. [[User talk:Lt garry|Lt garry]] 05:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
+The article says that in Halo 3, Miranda's a captain. Perhaps of her ship (currently crashed...), but her rank is still Commander.[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 22:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
-you guys know that this is 500 years in the future and naming conventions at this time probably don't all follow modern english naming conventions. therefore your arguments are invalid.--File:Legendary.jpg|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Orange">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>File:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 11:21, 16 November 2010 (EST)
+miranda seemed to gain some weight...lol something i thought i'd point out haha [[User:Hollywood101x|Hollywood]] 08:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
-== Miranda Keyes and Crow's Nest ==
+What I dont understand is: How in the world did she, Johnson and Arbiter ever make it back to Earth? I didnt read Halo: Uprising, so maybe the answer was in there. But if it wasn't, then how? [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 22:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
-In the opening cutscene of Crow's Nest, we see Miranda Keyes has already been in the base. How long has Keyes been in command of the base or even there? Does anyone know? Assuming she got off of Delta Halo (along with Johnson and Arbiter) shortly after Tartarus' death on Nov. 3, and she got to Earth relatively close to that date, and knowing that we see her in Crow's Nest on Nov. 17, is it safe to say that she was in command of the base for like a week?
+Rtas 'Vadum was capturing that ship, remember?  He must have been successful, rallied some Covenant ships to head to Earth and brought the Arbiter, Johnson, Miranda, and Guilty Spark with him.  The ship he captured, is likely, in my opinion to be the Shadow of Intent.  Who knows, it's likely that the Arbiter, the Elites and the Humans had to work together to board it afterwards.
-==Date of Birth==
+[[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 04:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
-I understand that the new Essential Visual Guide lists Miranda Keyes date of birth as '''February 28th, 2525''', however Dr. Halsey's journal suggests that the rendezvous which led to her conception took place in '''November 2524'''. If that's the case it's one hell of a short pregnancy (3 1/2 months). I suppose it's possible that her tryst with Keyes took place 6 months before she got around to writing about it, but the language and writing style of the entry seem to imply it was a recent development. Finally, Halsey writes on '''March 9, 2525''' about having to switch to decaf coffee, suggesting she was still pregnant at the time. Any potential explanations for this discrepancy?--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">'''- 112 '''</span>]] 11:28, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
-:Maybe she knew Jacob for ''much'' longer than we thought (eg. He had assisted her for more than just the John inspection).-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:43, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
+Posibility of Keyes in future Halo sequel? Her body was rescued by Johnson, Is it possible that a AI construct could have been made from her mind.
+A future Halo (not that i expect to see one this game generation) could feature her bringing the MC and cortana up to speed as to whats gone on in the UNSC since there dispearence?
-::Possible, but the language of the journal entry suggests that this was their first meeting since she reassigned him away from the Spartan program back in 2517.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">'''- 112 '''</span>]] 13:18, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
+==Miranda's Mother==
-:::If it wasn't for the decaf I'd say "IVF". I guess we'd have to go with her just meeting Jacob again after her "suggestive" journal entry.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:03, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
+Has anyone taken a look at the Halo 3 instruction manual yet? Anyone taken a look at the pictures of Cortana and Miranda? Notice a resemblance? If Cortana was created from Dr. Halsey's flash-cloned brain, I think this adds fuel to the speculation fire that Dr. Halsey is Miranda's mother.
-== Rank ==
+I am not having anymore specualtions of her mother, it's pathetic. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 12:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
-Miranda's rank is given as Commander as of her death in the EVG. [[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 20:50, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
-== Image of Miranda from Halo 2 in Gallery ==
+I would have to agree that Halsey is Miranda's mother.  It's quite evident in the novels that feelings are shared between Keyes and Halsey.  It just makes sense.
-Could someone please replace the picture of Miranda squinting in the gallery with a better and less awkward looking one? Actually, why is she squinting in the picture to begin with? --[[User talk:Radical Edward2|RadicalEdward2]] 10:19, 2 December 2011 (EST)
+==Johnson and Keyes==
-== Rank discrepancy ==
+When Keyes died, Johnson was slowly stroking her body and looking like he lost something special to him... what do you guys think... I have 2 things.
+. Johnson lost another Keyes and therefore remembered her father
+. Johnson and Keyes had a WAY more than professional relationship... which is unlikely...
-I heard a while ago that Keyes is listed incorrectly in the ''Visual Guide'' as a Commander. Is this correct and is she in fact a Lieutenant Commander? I changed the page a while ago to reflect this and it was just changed back.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
+[[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 01:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
-:She was confirmed to be a LCDR in the ''Art of Halo 3''; her gold rank insignia and status as the captain of a frigate confirms that. As well, Commander is the short form of LCDR in the same regard as Lieutenant/Colonel and with general/flag officers. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
-::Then why is she wearing Commander Stripes in Halo 3? And why is she wearing a Silver Commander's insignia in Halo 2? Why has she never been referred to as Lieutenant Commander - EVEN IN THE CEREMONY at Halo 2 by Admiral Hood - who would have addressed her by her full rank as it was a formal ceremony? The obvious conclusion is that the "Halo 3" art guys made an error. -- [[User talk:MisterRandom2|MisterRandom2]] 14:44, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
+I think you're merely suggesting Johnson is actually in love with Miranda Keyes. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 11:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
-::Also, just because she commanded a frigate doesn't mean she was LCDR. Jacob Keyes was a full Commander when he commanded a destroyer, which isn't much bigger than a frigate. -- [[User talk:MisterRandom2|MisterRandom2]] 14:58, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
-:::Everything shown in Art of Halo 3 are simply concepts, derivatives and cut-contents; not everything in that medium can be taken as solid canon. I believe EVG is the only source that provides her rank during the events of H3 and we should respect it as a source. That said, it appears that she was promoted somewhere in between events of H2 and H3.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 15:04, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
+Yeah basically. [[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 21:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
-::::Then again, it is possible that she was given a posthumous promotion like John's MCPON at the end of H3, and that EVG is reflecting on this... or, EVG might be wrong/made a mistake.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 15:08, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
+I have thought of that, but I don't think MK actually register it. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 11:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
-:::: You mean between the events of 2550 and H2, right? -- [[User talk:MisterRandom2|MisterRandom2]] 15:06, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
+I would reckon Johnson's feelings over his death is linked to the Jacob's death.  Twice he tasked himself with the protection of a beloved commander and might blame himself for both of their deaths.  In Halo CE he might feel guilty that he did not recognize the foreboding signs in the area and allow Keyes to come and become infected.  Also Johnson is getting on in his years and would be cradle robbing essentially the daughter of a friend of equal age.
-:::::No, I meant between H2 and H3. Again, refer to my previous post.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 15:09, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
+In the Audio Commentary of the Halo 2 cutscenes on the Legendary Edition of Halo 3, the developers joked that Johnson and Miranda were to have a "thing".  Of course when it was suggested in the offices, it was suggested as a joke, just as it was in the commentary.  I think it has more to do with the fact that he couldn't protect two famous military leaders/he became a quasi-father figure to Miranda during the war.
-::::::I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that the statement regarding Keyes in the ''Visual Guide'' is a mistake.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 15:36 13 March 2012 (EST)
-:::::::Unless the statement was issued by Bungie or 343 Industries, it doesn't count. -- [[User talk:MisterRandom2|MisterRandom2]] 15:38, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
-::::::::If she were promoted between Halo 2 and Halo 3, then one must wonder why her oak leaf is still gold in that Tarantino-esque Halo 3 screengrab taken just before she gets shot in the back by Truth... Barring a screw-up by the art department (which is possible), the likely likely explanation that would be given is that her promotion was, in fact, a field promotion which was made permanent after her death... Either that, or the UNSC Navy color scheme is the reverse of the US Navy's... Of course, that would mean a lot of revisions to a lot of pages would be necessary, so it's probably best to assume it's a screw-up by the art dept...[[User talk:DJenser|DJenser]] 15:40, 18 July 2012 (EDT)
+[[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 04:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
-::::::This was discussed during the production of the ''Visual Guide''. I'm not sure why her texture model flips between gold and silver leaves (she still has the 3 solid sleeve bars), but the intention is she is a full Commander during the events of Halo 2 and 3. She was promoted to Lieutenant Commander after her heroic actions on the ''Hilbert'' and then sometime between 2550 and 2552 was promoted to full Commander. There have been errors surrounding ranks and insignia before. In Halo 1, Captain Keyes is a Captain in the Navy, yet the double bar pin on his chest is 'Captain' in the Army/Marines, so it's more likely the texture artist did some cursory research but didn't know what was what. Keep in mind too the error in the Miranda promotion ceremony excerpt in 2550 that Jacob is referred to as "Captain" Keyes at that point, yet he was only a full Commander at that time and wasn't promoted to Captain until July 2552. In that case, it's a slip because the character is known as "Captain Keyes" and no one was checking if the date made sense. :) [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:40, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
+I'll go with that. Hey, did the Master Chief's shoulders seem kinda slumped when he was looking at them? My TV's too small to tell. [[User:Imperialscouts]]
-== Eye color ==
+Yeah, they did, actually. [[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 02:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
-Is it me, or did Miranda's eyes change from green to blue in H2A cutscenes? Addendum: Catherine Halsey's eyes are blue, so I'm aware this may be intentional. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 15:20, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
+Hmm...I wonder...do any of you think that means anything? (Sorry, I'm bored and need to look at evey possible and improbable thing in the game.)
-:I don't know, they kind of has a greenish-tint to me. But the cutscenes are still a WIP so it could get corrected. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 15:33, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
-== Reach or Luna ==
+I think MC feels horrible too, just like Johnson... failing to save the Keyes family sort of thing.
-Miranda Keyes's article in Waypoint says that Miranda was born in Luna, while Catherine Halsey's article tells that Miranda was born in Reach. So, what is Miranda's true birthplace?
-::It says Luna is her homeworld, as it is where she spent most of her childhood and life. She was born on Reach, however. [[User:Japeth555|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555|talk]]) 22:59, 23 December 2016 (EST)Japeth555
+[[User:Imperialscouts]]
+:Yeah, it does. It simply means that Master Chief was sad. It was evident in his body language - and even more so when SgtMaj. Johnson was killed. I've no doubt in my mind that he had shed some tears over both of their deaths. <span style="color:#4C8844">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 13:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
+Hey guys, this has nothing to do with this, but i knocked her down, like sgnt johnson and arbiter do, and started to teabag, and i hear "Chief, not here..."
+i swear to gosh this is real and not a joke
+[[User:Unggoy117]]
+unless you want to tell me HOW to knock her down (because she is invincible) I won't think you are telling the truth [[User:Imperialscouts]]
+== Relationship w/ Johnson ==
+I'm pretty sure his grief was due to failing to protect both father and daughter. As for Halsey being her mother, I guess its possible, but I highly doubt it.
+[[User:Don113|Don113]] 02:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)Don113
+I think they were in a relationship. How often does a commander of a ship abandon her crew to save only one soldier? And then when Johnson told her to shoot him, she couldn't. Then Johnson started to grieve and stroke her body...[[User:Holy Swordsman|MaiL]] 02:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
+The halo array was about to wipe out her entire species, I think her acts were rational.[[User:HALOnapster|HALOnapster]] 01:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
+The fact that she couldn't shoot him, is because, this might be a bomb for you, he was her friend, and might possibly look upon him as father like figure after the death of her own father. And Johnson most likelly stroke her body because of that, and as mentioned above, feeling bad about not managing to protect her.
+== Rank insignia mishap ==
+So, Miranda is a commander, the rank equivalent to the rank of lieutenant colonel in the Marine Corps. Both ranks feature a silver oak leaf as the rank's insignia. The ranks of major and lieutenant commander have gold oak leafs. If you look on Miranda's collar in Halo 3 (I don't know if it's the same in Halo 2, haven't tried to check), as well as the image on the article, her insignia is of a gold oak leaf, not a silver. This would indicate she's a lieutenant commander, rather than commander. {{Signatures/Chiafriend12}} 22:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
+Would a lieutenant commander referred to as commander? (Like Master Chief instead of Master Chief Petty Officer.) And the ranking system may have changed. [[User:Imperialscouts]]
+:Well, I read on Wikipedia (which isn't a reliable source, as with all wikis) that in the USMC, soldiers are referred to by their full rank. For example, instead of calling a gunnery sergeant a sergeant, they'd usually be called by their full rank, "gunnery sergeant". Though, it is 545 years in the future, and ranks and insignia could've been changed many times. {{Signatures/Chiafriend12}} 00:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
+::We aren't soldiers, we're Marines. Secondly, you're right, we do call them by their full rank. We have our own informal names for some of them, but none of them involve calling them something that is actually below their rank (such as calling anyone above the grade of Sergeant a Sergeant). <span style="color:#4C8844">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 13:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
+::Its unlikely that keyes was demoted between Halo 2 and Halo 3. However, it should be noted that there are two different symbols for each rank in the navy: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_officer_rank_insignia Rank Symbols and shoulder boards]. Note than all shoulder boards have a little gold trinked on them that resembles the gold leaf of a Major; perhaps you mistook what it actually was. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]][[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 00:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
+:::Yeah well why would she be demoted? Cuz she had the guts to chase a Covenant carrier when no one else in the Home Fleet did? Cuz she made an attempt to beat the Prophets to the Index? What did she ever do to get demoted? And now of all times, when Earth is in severe danger? It'd better be a mistake, cuz if Miranda did get demoted, I will travel to the year 2552 and shoot the Admiral that did it.
+:::I'm no expert on the subject, but I believe that even Lieutenant Commanders are referred to as "Commander" informally. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
+::::That is correct, but im reasonably sure that Keyes is a full commander. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]][[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 04:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
+In this image from Halo 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_officer_rank_insignia), you can see that she has silver oak leaves, indicating a full commander, as do the three gold stripes of equal length. I think Bungie just got it wrong, just like Capt. Keyes in Halo:CE.--[[User:Eion|Eion]] 06:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
+I'm sorry, but I really think that Miranda's a full commander, and that Bungie just made (another) mistake with Halo 3. If she was a Lt. Cdr, I'm sure they would have called her that at least once. I mean, if they have time to say "Sergeant Major" to Johnson, they could say "Lieutenant Commander" to Miranda. We can't just start making drastic changes due to small details. {{Arby116Sig}}
+Miranda Keyes in Halo 3 has a collar insignia, shoulder boards and sleave insignia.  It is speculated that since she has a gold oak leaf, the insigna for a Lt. Commander, that she might have been demoted.  If that were the case, you would think it would be reflected in her other rank insignia.  Three gold stripes, however, is the proper count for a Commander.  Likely they just goofed up on the collar device.  This is another case similar to Jacob Keyes having O-3 insignia (Captain in EVERY other branch of service) as opposed to O-6 insignia (Captain in the Navy).