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I don't think he would leave the battle of reach--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't think he would leave the battle of reach--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
:Well Reach was in FLEETCOM sector one, Stanforth commanded sector three. He may have gone back to his command before the fight. -[[User:ED|ED]] 23:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:Well Reach was in FLEETCOM sector one, Stanforth commanded sector three. He may have gone back to his command before the fight. -[[User:ED|ED]] 23:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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At first glance this appears to be a different person from Hieronymus Michael, who would have been only 16 at the time; it seems plausible that Harold was his father, or another relative. However a problem arises in that Harold's [[Service Number]] is exactly the same as Hieronymous Michael's, 00834-19223-HS. Both men also commanded ships called the UNSC ''Leviathan'', though admittedly several decades apart.
At first glance this appears to be a different person from Hieronymus Michael, who would have been only 16 at the time; it seems plausible that Harold was his father, or another relative. However a problem arises in that Harold's [[Service Number]] is exactly the same as Hieronymous Michael's, 00834-19223-HS. Both men also commanded ships called the UNSC ''Leviathan'', though admittedly several decades apart.


So what's the answer? Is Harold a seperate person who deserves his own page? Or is this a case of contradictory information on the same person? I personally think the answer is the former. Their ages are simply too far apart to be the same person, and Micheal's ''Leviathan'' was a [[Marathon-class Cruiser]], which was not around in 2503. The Service number is likely just an oversight. What does everyone else think?--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">''' - '''</span>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' 112 '''</span>]] 20:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
So what's the answer? Is Harold a seperate person who deserves his own page? Or is this a case of contradictory information on the same person? I personally think the answer is the former. Their ages are simply too far apart to be the same person, and Micheal's ''Leviathan'' was a [[Marathon-class Cruiser]], which was not around in 2503. The Service number is likely just an oversight. What does everyone else think?--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">''' - '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' 112 '''</span>]] 20:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree with you, at first site of his name in ''Evolutions'', I thought it was his father. --[[user:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Gunnery Sergeant]] [[user_talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Pete Stacker]],  [[Special:Contributions/Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|UNSC Marine Corps]] 03:10, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree with you, at first site of his name in ''Evolutions'', I thought it was his father. --[[user:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Gunnery Sergeant]] [[user_talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Pete Stacker]],  [[Special:Contributions/Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|UNSC Marine Corps]] 03:10, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
:: The two are likely related. they may have even been intended to be the same person. who knows? but for an in-universe perspective, the Service number is likely an error.--[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 21:24, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
:: The two are likely related. they may have even been intended to be the same person. who knows? but for an in-universe perspective, the Service number is likely an error.--[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 21:24, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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Herefor it seems highly likely to me that unnamed vice admiral mentioned in Halsey's journal is in fact Stanforth.--[[User talk:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] 11:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
Herefor it seems highly likely to me that unnamed vice admiral mentioned in Halsey's journal is in fact Stanforth.--[[User talk:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] 11:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)


:I would agree that they are very likely the same person. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 11:50, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:I would agree that they are very likely the same person. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 11:50, 29 October 2010 (EDT)


:: Jugus did so too. Is ok if I update this page with content from the Unnamed Vice Admiral page?--[[User talk:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] 13:07, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Jugus did so too. Is ok if I update this page with content from the [[Unnamed Vice Admiral]] page?--[[User talk:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] 13:07, 29 October 2010 (EDT)


:::Yeah. With all the similarities, I think it's safe to say they're one and the same. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:00, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah. With all the similarities, I think it's safe to say they're one and the same. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:00, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
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'''A: Vice Admiral Michael Stanforth was born on 15 July, 2486. (CANON FODDER 4-4-15).
'''A: Vice Admiral Michael Stanforth was born on 15 July, 2486. (CANON FODDER 4-4-15).
We have to add another inconsistency, because the ONI memorial says 3 July 2486. Also, 343 had a chance to solve all the inconsistencies, but they didn't, why? At this point we may reconsider the existence of two Stanforth, they could be father and son to explain the similar name, and Parangosky maybe calls the vice admiral "Harold" as "Harold junior" in a sort of colloquial nostalgia to his father. [[User:Codename: SURGEON|Codename: SURGEON]] ([[User talk:Codename: SURGEON|talk]])
We have to add another inconsistency, because the ONI memorial says 3 July 2486. Also, 343 had a chance to solve all the inconsistencies, but they didn't, why? At this point we may reconsider the existence of two Stanforth, they could be father and son to explain the similar name, and Parangosky maybe calls the vice admiral "Harold" as "Harold junior" in a sort of colloquial nostalgia to his father.
 
:No. This Canon Fodder retcons the ONI memorial.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 10:24, 5 April 2015 (EDT)
 
::I'm glad to see this. In the original The Fall of Reach, Stanforth was 10 years Halsey's senior and the Definitive Edition corrected it to 6 in keeping with the ONI memorial. It's nice to see Waypoint has also caught up. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:52, 5 April 2015 (EDT)
 
:It seems they're either regarding Harold Stanforth as a different person (likely Michael's father) or failed to take him into account when they decided upon this. It is still a little odd he'd be described as this grizzled and gray vice admiral at age 39 (especially considering cryosleep), but then again Halsey's and Mendez's ages also turned out to be lower than originally indicated. Changing the date from July 3 to July 15 seems totally random though. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:27, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
 
:: Yes, looks like we have to change it back, july 3 was a mistake, check here: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/canon-fodder-4-4-15-clarity-grace/af75b524-4678-4c9e-82b2-901c51fcdf64/posts?page=5#post83 [[User:Codename: SURGEON|Codename: SURGEON]] ([[User talk:Codename: SURGEON|talk]]) 15:25, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

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